Do you have a right to be born again?

[wynnejj]

What if your guardian angel had the right to choose not to escort you to heaven?

Just how would God in his justice and mercy judge a baptized person who continually downplays the babies right to be born in favor of a mother’s right to choose?

Just how would God in his justice and mercy judge a baptized person who continually signs the death warrant of the unborn at the voting polls?

What if God allowed a democracy of Angels and Saints to politically determine whether a baptized soul, who consistently denied the babies right to be born in favor of a mother’s right to choose, had the right to be born again into heaven?

What if Guardian Angels who walked with you on this Earth, and walked with you through Purgatory where your soul was made perfectly clean, decided on the way up to heaven to stop by the limbo of the unborn and unbaptized to do a soul swap?

What if your right to be born again into heaven was contingent on your view of the unborn’s right to be born?

Just how does God measure an individual based on the same measure that the individual applies to the unborn?

 

[Cat_Herder]

The right to be saved:
[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 2:4[/BIBLEDRB]

The freedom to reject salvation:
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 25:14-46[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[fbl9]

Just how would God in his justice and mercy judge a baptized person who continually downplays the babies right to be born in favor of a mother’s right to choose?

Just how would God in his justice and mercy judge a baptized person who continually signs the death warrant of the unborn at the voting polls?

What if God allowed a democracy of Angels and Saints to politically determine whether a baptized soul, who consistently denied the babies right to be born in favor of a mother’s right to choose, had the right to be born again into heaven?

What if Guardian Angels who walked with you on this Earth, and walked with you through Purgatory where your soul was made perfectly clean, decided on the way up to heaven to stop by the limbo of the unborn and unbaptized to do a soul swap?

What if your right to be born again into heaven was contingent on your view of the unborn’s right to be born?

Just how does God measure an individual based on the same measure that the individual applies to the unborn?

 

[fbl9]

What if your guardian angel had the right to choose not to escort you to heaven?

 

[wynnejj]

Catherder, the passages that you cite are actually good passages to illustrate Jesus’s concern for social issues related to treatment of poverty and the oppressed. The passages do speak of the importance of social justice issues. So, why did Our Lord not mention the shedding of innocent blood. Could it be that it was not relevant to the audience that He was speaking to at the time? Let’s go to a passage where the social justice issues were more relevant to what we are seeing in today’s society. Try Jeremiah 7.

usccb.org/nab/bible/jeremiah/jeremiah7.htm

 

[rev_kevin]

What if your guardian angel had the right to choose not to escort you to heaven?

Just how would God in his justice and mercy judge a baptized person who continually downplays the babies right to be born in favor of a mother’s right to choose?

Just how would God in his justice and mercy judge a baptized person who continually signs the death warrant of the unborn at the voting polls?

What if God allowed a democracy of Angels and Saints to politically determine whether a baptized soul, who consistently denied the babies right to be born in favor of a mother’s right to choose, had the right to be born again into heaven?

What if Guardian Angels who walked with you on this Earth, and walked with you through Purgatory where your soul was made perfectly clean, decided on the way up to heaven to stop by the limbo of the unborn and unbaptized to do a soul swap?

What if your right to be born again into heaven was contingent on your view of the unborn’s right to be born?

Just how does God measure an individual based on the same measure that the individual applies to the unborn?

What are your answers to your questions?

 

[Cat_Herder]

Catherder, the passages that you cite are actually good passages to illustrate Jesus’s concern for social issues related to treatment of poverty and the oppressed. The passages do speak of the importance of social justice issues. So, why did Our Lord not mention the shedding of innocent blood. Could it be that it was not relevant to the audience that He was speaking to at the time? Let’s go to a passage where the social justice issues were more relevant to what we are seeing in today’s society. Try Jeremiah 7.

usccb.org/nab/bible/jeremiah/jeremiah7.htm

I usually proffer NT passages for faith+works because Fundamentalists like to dismiss the OT as no longer binding.

 

[wynnejj]

What are your answers to your questions?

Let me explain that these questions are rhetorical, and designed to be a role playing thought experiment.

It occured to me that …

A Mother with Child in America today is like a Guardian Angel in a “Democracy of Angels & Saints”
where a guardian angel has been given the “right to choose” NOT to bring their soul into heaven
like a pregnant mother has been given the “right to choose” NOT to bring their baby into the world
and the central issue in heaven is the baptized soul’s right to be born again,
like the central issue in America is the unborn baby’s right to be born.

The question probes just how we would feel if our chance to face Our Father for judgement was placed in the hands of our guardian angel who might not see our potential.

Do I really see God’s judgement panning out this way? No.
But I do find it a good thought experiment to put ourselves into the role of the unborn.

 

[wynnejj]

I wouldn’t blame mine for not wanting not to.Justly and not unfair Justly and not unfair.Well now there would have beeen no need for Christ’s sacrifice.What makes you think purgatory is below heaven , what if it is beside?What if this is actually true… one can not have a view that is not compatable with God’s and still merit heaven.Thou shalt not kill…

I wouldn’t blame my guardian angel, either. It’s a dirty job but someone’s gotta do it (or NOT?). I’m quite sure guardian angels would never shirk their job. But as a thought experiment, could you see any reason why a guardian angel might find it particularly distasteful and repugnant to being a guardian to someone who denies a baby’s right to be born? That is, there are all kinds of sinners, but could you see some reason why a guardian angel might take particular offense at this one sin?

 

[wynnejj]

I usually proffer NT passages for faith+works because Fundamentalists like to dismiss the OT as no longer binding.

Yes, and it is probably wise to place more importance to the NT. When it comes to the “right to life” issue as opposed to all the other social justice issues, it becomes difficult to make a good case without looking to OT sections. It gives a feel of how the one true church, the Jewish religion in the OT, seemed to ebb and flow in Faith. It shows how they became corrupt by neighboring cultures that distorted their true faith. In Jeremiah 7, it talks about the infiltration of practices in idolatry to the goddess of fertility, Ishtar (Queen of Heaven reference). It talks about the taking of innocent young life in the Valley of Slaughter.
And most importantly it talks about how temple worship is unpleasing to God when these social justice practices are left unchecked, as if lip service in temple worship were sufficient. I see Jeremiah 7 as poignantly relevant to the Catholic Church in today’s world.

 

[sojo]

I imagine that in the same way the Priest still loves us when we confess our sins, and then forgives us in the place of Jesus, that Guardian Angels see some pretty despicable creatures on the way to heaven or purgatory. I imagine they are up for the job.

Plus, we never know what is in a person’s soul in the last moments before or even seconds into death. Everyone has that split second to atone for their sins, and God is infinitely merciful. Others sin as a result of moral brokenness caused by traumas and horrible life situations others know nothing about. Others have mental illness, emotional disturbances. Others have just never been loved. Some have sinned so much that they can’t believe in redemption, so they have decided just to go after pleasure and sin for whatever time they have left.

Who am I to judge? That is God’s job. My job is to try and help women and men to make the right choice, to do what I can to stop abortion, and to make sure no woman feels pressured into abortion from her man, her parents, or her financial situation.

My particular ministry is that women not abort children who they believe will be disabled, as my own son has Down syndrome and this hits very close to home. I can’t do much being a “stuck at home” mom with no transportation and even less money, but I counsel women who are referred to me, or who I meet on the internet. And I pray for them.

But regardless of their choice, I do not judge them, and I don’t try to second guess what God’s judgment will be. I rest easy in His mercy and justice.

 

[wynnejj]

Who am I to judge? That is God’s job. My job is to try and help women and men to make the right choice, to do what I can to stop abortion, and to make sure no woman feels pressured into abortion from her man, her parents, or her financial situation.

I’m in agreement with all of your post, and congrats on your ministry most importantly.

The question “What if a guardian angel had the right to choose not to escort you to heaven?” was a question I posted on a sign that I displayed outside our church (across the street) around election time to get people to think about their voting decisions. The question as I intend it is two-part: (1) Vote Pro-Life because a baby has a right to be born to be baptized, just as you have a right to be brought before God and judged in order to get into heaven, (2) A subliminal message to all those who actually by their action or inaction are acting as “abortion escorts”.

 

[wynnejj]

In thinking about the Pro-Life issue, I have been mostly dismayed at the voting record of Christians, especially Catholics, against Pro-Life candidates. How does one put the Pro-Life argument in a context that would convince them that Life must supersede Social Justice issues? Then it hit me.

A mother is like a guardian angel. What if a guardian angel had the right to choose not to bring a soul to heaven? Of course, I don’t believe angels would ever shirk their duty, but that begged another question. WHY would they want to abandon souls on their way to heaven? It would have to be something very, very severe - even personal. The answer seemed to be that a baptized soul who denied others the right to be born might not be deserving of the right to be baptized, to be born again.

The angels deal with all kinds of repentant sinners who do awful things. What would make it personal? Could it be that they had a personal affinity to the unborn? And it hit me that maybe there was something extra special about Mary with Jesus in her womb.

What if when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary and Jesus was conceived, something the angels had never expected happened. The angels could see God’s invisible light, which is very visible to them. God’s goodness shines so brilliantly.

The angels had never seen God’s light amplified by the perfect love of a perfect mother. It was ecstasy to the angels. And it was the first time they had seen the light about the potential of man as amplifying God’s light if the stain of original sin were removed and souls made perfect with Purgatory. Man could be a star in heaven, so to speak, amplifying God’s light.

 

[genevievelives]

I wouldn’t blame my guardian angel, either. It’s a dirty job but someone’s gotta do it (or NOT?). I’m quite sure guardian angels would never shirk their job. But as a thought experiment, could you see any reason why a guardian angel might find it particularly distasteful and repugnant to being a guardian to someone who denies a baby’s right to be born? That is, there are all kinds of sinners, but could you see some reason why a guardian angel might take particular offense at this one sin?

Where was the Guardian Angel when abortions and pro-choice activities were taking place in his “assignment’s” life? Does an angel have absolutely no power or influence over his charge on this earth?

If an angel’s sole job is as escort from this forsaken planet to the individual’s next and, perhaps, final resting place, why would he even dare to entertain judgment? He has a job to do. He should do it. Rather than a guiding light, this makes him nothing but a chauffeur.

gen

 

[wynnejj]

Where was the Guardian Angel when abortions and pro-choice activities were taking place in his “assignment’s” life? Does an angel have absolutely no power or influence over his charge on this earth?

If an angel’s sole job is as escort from this forsaken planet to the individual’s next and, perhaps, final resting place, why would he even dare to entertain judgment? He has a job to do. He should do it. Rather than a guiding light, this makes him nothing but a chauffeur.

gen

A guardian angel does have influence which I call inspirations. There are competing influences from the devil as well. So the guardian angel is more than a chauffeur, he helps manage your experiences in life lessons. I don’t believe an angel engages in judgement per se, but I do think he may have some feeling about the soul in his charge. My assessment of what an angel is tends more to the idea of a good soldier. The attitude is “Your wish is my command and I don’t need to understand the object of Your Plan for the benefit of man. I just love it when you surprise me!”. That is, he’s tactical, not strategic.

Assuming the idea that he might just be a chauffeur to escort the soul into the next world, then indeed why would he even dare to entertain judgement? He has a job to do, just like an expectant mother and biological father (that is, the parents).