Do you have to be a Republican to be Catholic?

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** I don’t understand why being Catholic has to mean that we agree with all of the Republican platform about climate change, taxes, war, welfare, etc., especially when their stances on those issues often seems opposed to what I read in the Catechism.**

Friend, you certainly DON’T need to agree with the entire Republican Platform to
be a good Catholic !!!
I became a Republican in the 1980s because the Democrat politicians were brazenly pandering to the Sandinista Communists in Nicaragua, making pilgrimages to Managua to fraternize and hobnob with these murderous evil B****DS and go on tv, as a Senator whom I shall not name did on a LIVE NATIONAL CALL IN SHOW, and lie to the American people, in this case directly to me, as I was the Caller!!!, about the brutality and hardcore communism of this regime, which was then also gun-running Soviet supplied high tech war weaponry, to the OTHER communist guerillas in El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala (whom the “Liberation Theologians” as they euphemistically called themselves) were ALSO supporting, and some of them got killed for it, and the (usually dissident) liberal CATHOLIC theologians dared to deem as “martyrs.” Being killed because you are fraternizing with atheistic communist revolutionaries is NOT martyrdom, is NOT dying for the Name of Jesus Christ, sorry, but it’s just NOT.
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Short answer is no do you don’t. You can be liberal and Catholic. Liberals outnumber conservatives 2:1 in the Catholic Church. Not the case on CAF as you have seen.

If that weren’t true, the Church would “push-out” all the cafeteria Catholics and others who aren’t sold on the conservative parts of the doctrine. While the conservatives groan at all the liberals and say they aren’t real Catholics, the Church is treating all who enter with love. They understand that everyone must walk their own path. That’s really the only chance they have to give us peace and eternal life.

My RCIA director confessed to being a liberal. She is very devout, has taught RCIA for years, and not only takes communion but hands it out. She provides excellent example of what a true Catholic should look like: more love, less judgment. She once had a great story about the 2000 election when the Church was quick to remind everyone that it’s a sin to vote for a pro-abortion candidate. She prayed right up to the voting booth but ended up voting for Gore (Democrat). Her priest later told her she did the right thing by following her conscience instead of blindly following the teaching. With hindsight, we see that she avoided voting for a president who started an unjust war, a war which the Pope tried desperately to stop from happening.

I could get into this more but I tell you this mainly as a Catholic brother who has also felt discouraged at times on CAF because of all the liberal bashing. I come for the discussion, but step away to mass where I always find peace no matter what my political views, imperfections, sins are.
 
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This senator, referred to above, and numerous of his Dem counterparts, openly lied to and deceived many American people about that dangerous (because financed by the billions, militarily, by the Soviet regime) regime and about the Communist menace in our hemisphere in general, when that menace was VERY REAL and VERY WELL documented. I concluded that the Party was, at least at that time, full of traitors (our wonderful Claude Pepper of South Florida being one very NOBLE exception), and switched to the Repubs.
I wasn’t Catholic then, either, but the Repubs on THIS issue, and the proLife issue, which is paramount to me, were, and are, much closer to my views. But I have NEVER agreed with their social-darwinism regarding helping the poor and needy and elderly, which often amounts to an if-you-are-poor-it’s-your-own-fault kind of attitude, and an adulation of the rich (which inspired scripture ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT SHARE, warning that those who want to become rich will often apostasize from God in the process. The “right-wing” Christians, while ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about Abortion and Legalized Porno and about the militant gay Agenda, are VERY WRONG about glorifying trying to get very wealthy and living “the good life.” ((I’m not talking about being hard working and having a nice, modest home, nice furniture, education for your kids, a decent car, etc., I’m talking about wanting to live in the lap of luxury. At my parish and many others, the parking lots are full of NICE late model expensive cars and HUGE luxurious SUVs, with the folks living very well, dressing in the BEST designer clothes, and yet most give a total of $1, one measly BUCK, in the collection plate each week and nothing else, and I know that because we post our parish’s financial intake for the week in the following week’s bulletin. THAT is a reversal of priorities, THAT is shameful, but that’s living the good life. An Evangelical Congregation would never tolerate a weekly offering to the LORD’s House of a mere buck)).
I still support the Repubs over the Dems because of the DANGEROUSNESS to the Church of the ProAborts and the pro-militant Gay agenda politicians, for they are trying to force this evil upon the church, such as with the recent HHS mandate, and they are ONLY going to get worse and much BOLDER, and to support these people, knowing this, with our votes, is treason against Christ because of their intent to force this garbage upon the holy Church, a Sin against the Holy Spirit, on their part, that is most Brazen Indeed.

But I also loudly oppose Republican “economic” policies, their wanting to get rid of public schools (they do stink these days, and promote liberalism in morals, but the answer is to put a stop to THAT, not to public schools in principle), their opposition to most state aid.
Look, I agree with subsidiarity and that charity and help for the needy SHOULD come from the people and the Church, but when you can’t get even well-to-do Catholics to give more than an average of $4.31 a week to your parish, with most parishoners giving only a BUCK, please don’t tell me that if these gov’t programs are reduced or abolished, “Christians” and Catholic Christians, will abundantly make up for the slack.
We can’t even get them in general to give to the LORD Himself’s house, for crying out loud.
ORTHODOX Catholic writers have written gobs of commentary backing up what I’ve said, too, (no matter who denies it), including one well-known book called WHY CATHOLICS DO NOT GIVE (or is it DON’T GIVE?). They also TALK pro-life, but GENERALLY don’t financially SUPPORT proLife, even with a $25 annual donation to proLife groups. Judie Brown, president of A.L.L., the American Life League wrote, in frustration, a book about this, called SAVING THOSE DAMNED CATHOLICS.
As for being antiWar, Jesus is not antiWar, if you mean it in an absolutist sense.
He never condemned soldiers, nor their “micro” counterparts, police, who protect the innocent from the Violent. War, though horrid, is sometimes necessary. To have allowed the Sandinistas to spread their violent, godless movement unopposed, would have been utterly far worse than criminal on President Reagan’s part. That does NOT mean that all, or most, wars are just. Many are NOT. But Absolute pacifism is NOT Christian teaching and in fact would lead, if universally adopted by Christians, to widespread violence and chaos, because the incorrigibly wicked will not repent and WILL take advantage of that pacifism to reek havoc and harm on the innocent, and SCRIPTURE forbids us to stand idly by and allow a violent person to attack an innocent person. This applies to national relations among nations, too, not just among individuals.
 
Her priest later told her she did the right thing by following her conscience instead of blindly following the teaching. With hindsight, we see that she avoided voting for a president who started an unjust war, a war which the Pope tried desperately to stop from happening.

Her priest lied to her.
I AGREE WITH YOU that the Iraq War was unjust, and I opposed it from the beginning, even though a Republican myself.

But even this, an unjust war, is no comparison.
ABORTION is ALWAYS the murder of the innocent.
To vote knowingly for a proAbort is no different, morally, than KNOWINGLY
voting for a Nazi who tells you, in advance, that when elected,
he is going to vote for the Killing of JEWS.
Your proAbort politician has ALREADY TOLD YOU that he or she IS GOING TO
vote to keep legal, expand the right to, and obtain the use of YOUR AND MY tax dollars to pay for, the killing of babies.
Sorry, but operating soup kitchens, public schools, and some good medical care policies doesn’t counteract the murder of babies, not by a long shot. No way, no shape, form, or fashion.
If we knowingly vote for a professed proAbort,
we are no different at all from those who, even today, would knowingly vote
for those who, if elected, would kill Jews and other racial minorities. NO different at all.
Murder is murder, whether anyone wants to hear it or not, and the killing of an innocent baby, is ALWAYS murder. To vote for a proAbort is to knowingly vote for an advocate of Murder. Of the INNOCENT. NOTHING justifies that, not even opposition to an unjust war.
The proAborts have, through their legislations, helped murder over 55 million babies in America. They are also promoting sodomy and every other wickedness.
This is not “liberalism” it is pure Evil.
The wars haven’t killed anywhere NEAR such a large number,
and, any one over the age of accountability is, stricly speaking, NOT “innocent” as all people commit sins. This is not true of babies.
And all war is not sinful and all war is not murder. The war against Nazi Germany was not, in principle, evil. It was the right thing to do. SOME ASPECTS OF IT, such as the horrific firebombing of Dresden, WERE sinful. That city was full of civilians and that was not necessary or right. Nor was the atom bombing of Nagasaki. But the war against Nazi-ism itself, was not in principle sinful. Nor was the “Cold War” against Soviet Aggression.

You cannot be a true Catholic and a TRUE Liberal, because Liberalism was born
of apostates, total apostates, from the Catholic Faith and is opposed to Catholic doctrine and teaching. If you disagree with a Conciliar and/or papally defined Catholic doctrine with regard to faith or morals, we are NOT “Liberal,” we are DISOBEDIENT to God Himself, which is far worse than breaking ANY humanly-enacted Statutes. Those will get you arrested or fined. Breaking HIS will, definitely, land us in Hell if we do not ABJECTLY repent and renounce the Disobedient Acts.

But supporting public education and government programs for the poor and needy and elderly, is NOT necessarily LIBERALISM.
If “most” Catholics are (TRUE) Liberals, that does not make the magisterium and it’s conservative (faith and moral) teachings wrong, it makes those dissidents in a state of deadly mortal sin until they repent. Numerical superiority is not Correctness in the eyes of God. In ancient Israel, often the ENTIRE nation would go apostate. It got so bad that the LORD HIMSELF sent in the Babylonian armies who destroyed the holy city and took the people into captivity. They would not have repented, and would have been lost, had He not done so. The fact that today’s Catholics are disobeying the Church in great numbers with no apparent Divine wrath falling upon us for it, is NOT a sign of Divine Approval, but a very, very, very terrifying omen. God CHASTISES those He loves when they disobey. If He is NOT chastising, at all, this grossly disobedient generation, it is not any indication of Divine Approval, but, more likely, of Reprobation leading to a very sudden and terrifying Judgment falling upon us without warning.
Though not totally without warning.
The Mother of God has been warning people for many, many decades of a coming Great Chastisement and even a coming 3 Days of Darkness, in many APPROVED apparitions.
We had better not turn up our noses, in arrogant disbelief, to those heaven-sent warnings.
The Judgement IS going to come, Christ himself and all the apostles, said so quite DIRECTLY. It is only a question of WHEN.
 
No, you do not have to be a Republican to be Catholic.

Democrats have some very good stances on issues like caring for the people (programs to help the poor, elderly, etc.), and are also better about social justice issues such as being against the death penalty. They are also more tolerant about immigration laws, which could be good or bad.

(Historically, the death penalty was normal, but there also weren’t the high security prisons that we have today. So back then by killing a person, you saved the lives of others. Today, that is no longer necessary and it is often good to keep people alive so they have a chance to repent and learn about Jesus (prison ministries). Especially since today catechesis is generally very poor and we live in a secular society… 500 years ago, the country was Catholic and people who were scheduled to be executed would have a priest sent to them so they can have a final confession so they could be closer to a state of grace when it was time to face God. Today, we’d execute people and they’d have a really good chance of going straight to hell because they did not know God or repent of their sins.)

On the other hand, the Democratic party has recently turned pro-special interest groups and minority groups (LGBT, PETA, extreme environmental groups, Planned Parenthood) that are able to raise funding and pay for the campaigns, so of course as President these groups get all kinds of special perks for their donations. Back in the day, the support of minorities was a good thing, because it helped curb racism, helped people get on their feet, etc. But now it’s all about “gay rights” (gay “marriage”) and “women’s health” (abortions and contraception for girls and women of all ages, even minors).

What bothers me the most is that at least in California, part of their mission statement is that they want to protect a “woman’s right to choose”… so the California Democratic Party is pro-abortion, and for that reason Catholics here in California should not join the Democratic party. Maybe there is a pro-life Democrat or a Democrat is a better candidate, but you do not have to be a Democrat to vote for one. Unfortunately, what used to be a great party has sold-out to the special interest groups.

The Republican party tends to be pro-life, pro-marriage. But they also tend to be for the death penalty, going to war (not saying war is always bad, but peace should always be the #1 choice so we should never be the ones to start a war). They respect innocent human life, but do not always remember the dignity of a human person; even a criminal or terrorist is made in the image of God. Republicans believe in a free market, low taxes and as little government as possible… which is both good and bad… good because people are free to choose how their money is spent, and bad because people don’t go to church as much and so they don’t donate a portion of their income to charity like they used to… so the poor tend to lose out under the modern system. There needs to be a way to help the poor and not make people pay for something they don’t believe in.

Maybe have people register as “religious” or “secular”… if you choose “religious” then you still pay some taxes, but part of your income is automatically sent to the church of your choice, and that church decides how to spend the money. If you choose “secular” then that same amount that would have gone to a church goes to the government, where they decide how the money is spent. So everyone pays the same percentage of their income (or it’s tiered so the rich pay a higher percentage), but how it’s distributed depends on the person.

I don’t think a “good Catholic” is either 100% Democrat or 100% Republican. I think both parties have their strengths and weaknesses. I personally would not join either one of them. I do not have any political affiliation.
 
To Stephe1987,
thank you for your very thoughtful and insightful post, # 23, above.

About Prisons: after watching LOCKUP on MSNBC several times,
I am convinced that Prisons should ONLY be for violent, dangerous offenders.
The Old Testament, the Law of Moses, given by God Himself, and in some ways
harsher than the teachings that God, when incarnate Jesus on earth, advocated.
The LAW as God gave it to Moses, focused more strictly on JUSTICE, not mercy
(although it did not exclude all mercy, but offered it much less to offenders).
Still, that same, rather harsh Law, made NO PROVISIONS for Prisons for anyone
Prisons come from the surrounding pagan cultures and came into Catholicism
because the Church “inherited” the former pagan countries with their ways of doing things.
(( Prisons existed in Israel during the time of Jesus, and he referred to them in his teachings, to illustrate purgatory, etc., not necessarily to approve of prison systems,
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Under the Law of Moses, if you were a murderer, willfully, you were put to death.
That was the Law. Given BY GOD Himself.
But it was not ALWAYS applied, even to the most vicious of killers: i.e., the horrific
King Manasseh (who, when he repented of his mass killings, was not only forgiven by God and not “put in prison” nor executed, but actually RESTORED, by GOD, to the THRONE OF DAVID to RULE over Israel, over the VERY PEOPLE he had abused, murdered, and led into horrific idolatries). King David was also a murderer, who repented, and was spared ((but God sent a lot of trouble his way in his life for it, because he had known God personally and very well for a long time when he committed his deliberate murder, even tho he later repented, but only AFTER being confronted, over a year later, by the Prophet Nathan)). Under God’s Law for Israel, the nation, including judicial law, if you were an adulterer, a sodomite, a prostitute, you were also to be put to Death judicially ((those who advocate harsh sentences for “criminals” today, are often people whose own mortal sins warrant the Death Penalty under God’s Strict Law, and they often FORGET that fact, while advocating long “hard time” for people whose sins/crimes, under GOD’s law, warrant FAR LESS punishment and not even a Divinely-ordained penalty of judicially-applied Death)). If you were a thief or a fraudster, under God’s harsh, strict Law Code, you were not jailed, you were made to pay back what you took (sometimes four to seven times over), and if you couldn’t pay it back, you were forced into slavery (indentured servitude) until six years were up or you had paid it all back.
There were no jails or prisons draining the national “budget,” so to speak.
I watched LOCKUP out of curiousity, and was horrified at what I saw. People who have committed white-collar offenses, utterly nonviolent, are put in hell-holes with violent NeoNazi’s, black and white and latino GANGSTERS, the most brutal of people you can imagine, in places CHOCK FULL of gang rape, mass-homosexual behavior, continous, nonstop obscene talk, racial hatred that is ENFORCED by the gangs, heavy drug use (yes, they get the hard drugs into those places by the tons), beatings, stabbings, sodomizings with broomsticks, throat-slittings (for saying hi to a black guy if you are white, inflicted on you by OTHER whites for doing so). And people call these places “Justice”??? Or “Corrections” facilities?? These environments are, frankly, demonic and literally infested with demonic activity (the evil spirits thrive in atmospheres of despair and are most active in such places). They make people WORSE, they don’t correct them at all. The “recidivism” rates are proof of that. This kind of obscene filth was never advocated by God. These places should be reserved only for dangerous, incorrigibly violent offenders. They make other people far worse than they were before they went in. I support a ministry to locked-up folks called Dismas Ministry,
dismasministry.org – they provide priests, bibles, sacramentals, catechisms, prayer books, etc., to help convert those locked up. And I pray to God that, once HE knows they are truly converted and no longer a danger to anyone, that HE bring about their release, for these places are Satanic hell-holes where no Christian should be, because they are 24-hour-a-day GUARANTEED “Near Occasions of Sin,” and of Mortal Sin at that. I was shocked by what I saw on those LOCKUP documentaries.
Those who advocate putting nonviolent people in such places for things like check-kiting or buying dope or whatever, should ask themselves, before they advocate such,
if THEIR confessed sins, in GOD’s eyes, warrant a penalty far more severe, such as the Death Penalty. Many of our mortal sins, which we quickly forgive ourselves for after we have gone to confession and received absolution and penance, actually call for,
in the Word of God and by the Command of God to Moses, the Judicial Application of the Death Penalty, and that Publicly. Ever committed adultery? Death Penalty. Ever fornicated? Death Penalty. Ever uttered blasphemy? Death Penalty. Ever performed an abortion, or a late term abortion, or a partial birth abortion, or RECEIVED one? Death Penalty. Yet these are forgiven, pardoned, and most after confession think nothing of them ever again, or keep asking for mercy when they fall, but want some jerk who writes bad checks locked up for 30 years in one of those hell holes. Is that right? To want mercy for ourselves, for our Death-Penalty deserving offenses, but want retribution for those whose acts call for, from God himself, for far less of a penalty? Especially nonviolent people?
The Death Penalty is NOT a sin and never has been, in principle.
But it is proper for the Church, today, to call for the curtailing of it’s use. Violent, dangerous people can be confined, and (if protected from other violent predators), be given a chance to repent. Some will object: but their VICTIMS don’t have a chance to repent!!!
True, but neither did Uriah, King David’s victim, yet God forgave and restored David.
Neither did the thousands of innocent people that King Manasseh murdered, yet God forgave and restored King Manasseh. Neither did the Egyptian that Moses Murdered, yet God made Moses into a Great Saint and did not put HIM to death. Jacob, instead of waiting for GOD to give him the blessing promised, deliberately schemed to commit, and actually committed, deliberate fraud against his father Isaac and against his brother Esau, and yet God made him a Saint and the great Patriarch of the 12 Tribes of Israel.
 
My problem with our Republican politicians, concerning life issues, is that while they do “talk the talk”, it seems they often take only the smallest steps, or no steps at all, when it comes to “walking the walk.” All talk and little action for abortion, but great strides for other issues which I personally do not agree with: a tax system which favors the wealthiest, aggressive military action, anti-union policy, pro-death penalty. We can certainly disagree about these other issues. I believe in the pro-life cause, that stopping abortion is the priority. Do our Republican politicians really hold this priority above all other issues? I’m not so sure… Does this make it OK to vote for a Democrat who is “pro-choice” but more in line with Catholic teaching and my values concerning these other issues (knowing from past experience that the Republican alternative will do very little to actually promote life)? Again, I’m not sure. I’m registered Independent, and follow my conscience as best I can.
 
If you are a good Catholic who stays true to the teachings of the faith, neither party will want you.
 
**My problem with our Republican politicians, concerning life issues, is that while they do “talk the talk”, it seems they often take only the smallest steps, or no steps at all, when it comes to “walking the walk.” All talk and little action for abortion, but great strides for other issues which I personally do not agree with: a tax system which favors the wealthiest, aggressive military action, anti-union policy, pro-death penalty. We can certainly disagree about these other issues. **

Regretfully,
I am in FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOUR POINTS THAT I HAVE UNDERLINED ABOVE.

The only thing I would say in the REP’s defense is that, except for the last President, George “Dubya” Bush, who appointed loud pro-aborts like Ms. Todd-Whitman, to his Cabinet while saying he was ProLife,
the Republican Presidents, when elected, do not PACK their Cabinets with people who advocate abortion and same-sex marriage and garbage like that. They, with the exception of Dubya, tend to pick proLife, pro-traditional biblical morals folks to fill those positions and tend to appoint strict constitutionalists to the courts.

As for anti-Unionism, I have mixed feelings on this.
My mom is a literal Coal Miner’s Daughter from West Virginia, and until the unions were brought in during the 1930s, conditions for those workers were as bad as Hell-On-Earth,
so the Unions, at least in decades past, have done ENORMOUS good.
The problem is, for the past couple of decades, maybe longer, they are generally run by very crooked people who use YOUR union dues to finance the gay agenda, abortion, and other ungodly issues, not merely engage in collective bargaining for the worker’s benefit.
THIS aspect of modern unions, I have a REAL problem with. They, today, are NOT what they once were.
 
The problem really revolves around the fact that the Bishops and the Pope have been explicit in saying all issues fall below the abortion issue. The Bishops are not conservative by any means trust me, and yet they even are able to realize that abortions is the number one, insurmountable evil we face today. It should be as anathema to vote for a pro-choice candidate as it would be for a pro-man-child sex candidate. If you had a candidate that supported making sexual relationships between adults and children legal you would write them off immediately even if they were a Mother Teresa in every other aspect. This is how the abortion issue should be approached.

What the Bishops would like to see is for the Democratic Party turn pro-life and for this to stop being an issue. If people keep voting for pro-choice Democrats though the issue is never going to go away. Many of the bishops supported Obamacare or at least the idea of it (to the dismay of us on the right) before this whole contraception mandate came about. Many still support Obamacare and just want him to remove the mandate to make it ok.

So you don’t have to be Republican to call yourself a Catholic in communion with the Church, but you do have to be pro-life. We can argue about the role of government in our lives in good faith after we get that issue solved 😃
Ah, but you use the analogy of a stance which is not only illegal, but morally reprehensible to most in society. Abortion is neither. Using a candidate’s stated stance on abortion as the single issue on which to decide voting choices is neither advised by the Church, nor reflective of today’s realities: we are going to be confronted with a significant number of politicians who are pro-choice because 1. candidates reflect the society from which they hail, and more importantly, 2. politicians will tend to publicly support whatever seems expedient to getting themselves elected. Personally, I believe there is more to being pro-life than one’s public stance or one’s voting record on token abortion legislation. Politicians must walk their talk.
 
If you are a good Catholic who stays true to the teachings of the faith, neither party will want you.

Ultimately, this is sadly quite true.
Many politicians of BOTH parties are Eastern Establishment Rockefeller
“CFR council on foreign relations/trilateral commission” members, who are, despite their rhetoric, fully in the pockets of the monied super elite and their desire for a one-world government, irreligious, and run by the corporate elitists. Look at “communist” China. It is still ruled, with an IRON FIST, by the Communist Party, yet it is run like the biggest CAPITALIST state the world has ever seen, and nearly ALL American manufacturing is done IN CHINA (where they can pay the workers 1/16th of what they are required by law to pay an American worker at bare minimum, and yet these rich greedsters STILL cry the blues and yell poverty, falsely, if anyone talks about raising taxes on them one iota).
Jobs DID NOT GO OVERSEAS because these people were being taxed to death.
The VAST MAJORITY of jobs were immorally (yes, immorally) OUTSOURCED, AFTER President “Dubya” Bush gave the wealthy the enormous “Bush Tax Cuts” of 2001 which, by the way, are STILL IN FORCE. So don’t any economic libertarian try to tell me that this happened because these poor ol’ wealthy companies were being taxed to death by the democrats, who weren’t even in office at the time and most of whom, also, voted for the ENORMOUS Bush Tax Cuts of 2001, which, again, are STILL IN FORCE.

These big corporations now hire Americans, here, at subsistence wages while still making ungodly huge profits, even in this recession. My own company pays us literally as little as it can legally get away with, and steals back our Commission (which we WORKED for) if a customer returns an item (which THEY ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO!!! ), which is a SIN THAT CRIES TO HEAVEN FOR VENGEANCE: depriving a worker of his JUST wages. Not any ol’ wage at all, but his JUST wages. If you can’t afford to pay a worker a JUST wage, then you have no business having employees, unless it’s high school kids who need a part time job for some weekend money, or elderly people, bored to death, who want a couple of hundred bucks a week to supplement their retirement income.

Paying a wage earner a subsistence wage is, in the eyes of God, according to historic Church teaching, a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance, because it is in effect DEPRIVING him or her of his JUST wage and, in the eyes of the LORD, is as serious as murder.
 
Even though I’m a republican, I’m not so foolish as to think ALL Catholics have to be Republicans. 😉
 
If you are a good Catholic who stays true to the teachings of the faith, neither party will want you.

Ultimately, this is sadly quite true.
Many politicians of BOTH parties are Eastern Establishment Rockefeller
“CFR council on foreign relations/trilateral commission” members, who are, despite their rhetoric, fully in the pockets of the monied super elite and their desire for a one-world government, irreligious, and run by the corporate elitists. Look at “communist” China. It is still ruled, with an IRON FIST, by the Communist Party, yet it is run like the biggest CAPITALIST state the world has ever seen, and nearly ALL American manufacturing is done IN CHINA (where they can pay the workers 1/16th of what they are required by law to pay an American worker at bare minimum, and yet these rich greedsters STILL cry the blues and yell poverty, falsely, if anyone talks about raising taxes on them one iota).
Jobs DID NOT GO OVERSEAS because these people were being taxed to death.
The VAST MAJORITY of jobs were immorally (yes, immorally) OUTSOURCED, AFTER President “Dubya” Bush gave the wealthy the enormous “Bush Tax Cuts” of 2001 which, by the way, are STILL IN FORCE. So don’t any economic libertarian try to tell me that this happened because these poor ol’ wealthy companies were being taxed to death by the democrats, who weren’t even in office at the time and most of whom, also, voted for the ENORMOUS Bush Tax Cuts of 2001, which, again, are STILL IN FORCE.

These big corporations now hire Americans, here, at subsistence wages while still making ungodly huge profits, even in this recession. My own company pays us literally as little as it can legally get away with, and steals back our Commission (which we WORKED for) if a customer returns an item (which THEY ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO!!! ), which is a SIN THAT CRIES TO HEAVEN FOR VENGEANCE: depriving a worker of his JUST wages. Not any ol’ wage at all, but his JUST wages. If you can’t afford to pay a worker a JUST wage, then you have no business having employees, unless it’s high school kids who need a part time job for some weekend money, or elderly people, bored to death, who want a couple of hundred bucks a week to supplement their retirement income.

Paying a wage earner a subsistence wage is, in the eyes of God, according to historic Church teaching, a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance, because it is in effect DEPRIVING him or her of his JUST wage and, in the eyes of the LORD, is as serious as murder.
I’m with you on some of that. We hear so much about ‘social issues’ (read: abortion, gay marriage) in the religo-political sphere, but the silence in deafening on immoral business practices which are rife in our times. Business practices which take advantage of customers and workers are often justified with “the right to make a profit” and “responsibility to shareholders”. The moral/ethical issues associated with globalization are indeed of “crying out to God” magnitude, but who is speaking loudly and consistently to them? Not me (most of the time), not the people who influence my life.
 
Can you please cite the Bible or Catechism sections that specifically mention gay marriage, legalizing drugs or animal rights? I understand what the CCC says about gay marriage, but only why we as Catholics cannot have a gay marriage, not why we have to impose it on non-Catholics as well…
For the same reason that the Quakers sought to impose their religious beliefs re slavery on Plantation owvners, because it is the right thing to do.

We recognize that God established a moral law that applies to all humans, Aquinas called this the “Natural Law”, because it is part of our human nature.

A just society can only truely be called Just when it’s civil laws reflect the natural, moral law.

Gay Marriage is harmful to the parties involved, It perverts the concept of Justice by giving the blessing of civil law upon it. It damages the souls of those who participate.

Because we love those who are afflctied with SSA, we seek to help them by encouraging chastity, NOT by encouraging fornication.

In many ways, gay ‘marriage’ is like giving an alcoholic a legal right to drink and drive. It does nothing to help them, and is actually very harmful.

No one who supports gay marriage can ever say that they love and care for their homosexual neighbors or seeks for their true happiness.
 
For the same reason that the Quakers sought to impose their religious beliefs re slavery on Plantation owvners, because it is the right thing to do.

We recognize that God established a moral law that applies to all humans, Aquinas called this the “Natural Law”, because it is part of our human nature.

A just society can only truely be called Just when it’s civil laws reflect the natural, moral law.

Gay Marriage is harmful to the parties involved, It perverts the concept of Justice by giving the blessing of civil law upon it. It damages the souls of those who participate.

Because we love those who are afflctied with SSA, we seek to help them by encouraging chastity, NOT by encouraging fornication.

In many ways, gay ‘marriage’ is like giving an alcoholic a legal right to drink and drive. It does nothing to help them, and is actually very harmful.

No one who supports gay marriage can ever say that they love and care for their homosexual neighbors or seeks for their true happiness.
This is an excellent post, I would like to add a few things though. Let’s leave out animal rights for now and talk about this logically before giving any sort of citations, first of all 3xblessed, along with many people who have responded to this post (with all due respect) you have a major lack of discernment in God’s will for all people. This idea of the separation of Church and State is a secularist point of view. As Catholics our job is to keep the moral foundation of CHURCH and STATE Together.

Therefore, because we are in full union with the Pope and the Holy Church our goal as Catholics— Not as Americans – Is to Evangelize the Gospels, Live the Gospels, and bring more people closer to God. Voting for someone or an Amendment that is against ANY OF THESE PRINCIPLES of Christianity is voting against you’re own belief system and the Church itself.

I didn’t say you had to vote Republican, you are welcome to vote for Barney Rubble. But you CANNOT vote for anyone who is Pro-Abortion, Pro Gay Marriage, and Pro Decriminalizing Drugs or other abominations in God’ Eyes. Our Duty is to
  1. God
  2. Family
  3. Country ----> IN THAT ORDER
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       We have an **OBLIGATION** to Spread the Gospels and to keep our fellow members of the human race from sinning.
All I’ve heard here are a bunch of excuses to vote against God, and I’m sorry but this makes me so incredible agitated at Catholics. I cannot believe you all would justify voting for a living holocaust (abortion) in our country by discerning that there is another more grave matter.

The Gravest Matter of all is Offending our Creator, God Almighty.
 
Short answer is no do you don’t. You can be liberal and Catholic. Liberals outnumber conservatives 2:1 in the Catholic Church. Not the case on CAF as you have seen.

If that weren’t true, the Church would “push-out” all the cafeteria Catholics and others who aren’t sold on the conservative parts of the doctrine. While the conservatives groan at all the liberals and say they aren’t real Catholics, the Church is treating all who enter with love. They understand that everyone must walk their own path. That’s really the only chance they have to give us peace and eternal life.

My RCIA director confessed to being a liberal. She is very devout, has taught RCIA for years, and not only takes communion but hands it out. She provides excellent example of what a true Catholic should look like: more love, less judgment. She once had a great story about the 2000 election when the Church was quick to remind everyone that it’s a sin to vote for a pro-abortion candidate. She prayed right up to the voting booth but ended up voting for Gore (Democrat). Her priest later told her she did the right thing by following her conscience instead of blindly following the teaching. With hindsight, we see that she avoided voting for a president who started an unjust war, a war which the Pope tried desperately to stop from happening.

I could get into this more but I tell you this mainly as a Catholic brother who has also felt discouraged at times on CAF because of all the liberal bashing. I come for the discussion, but step away to mass where I always find peace no matter what my political views, imperfections, sins are.
This is what I’m talking about, this justification. I totally disagree. The biggest WAR in the United States is the 53 million babies who have died unjustifiably in their mothers womb. Someone’s devoutness as a Catholic does not justify them to vote for someone who would like to continue a holocaust, ever. The reprocussions of voting for a democrat who will put Liberal Justices in many branches of the Judicial system are vastly underestimated.

We don’t know what Al Gore would do since he never became President, but I can tell you this… This holocaust has to stop. Someone has got to take a stand, and I’m tired of excuses from Catholics. Just because the majority of Catholics outweigh conservatives 2:1 does not make it right. I’d say the a LOT of Catholics in my honest opinion don’t even understand what Catholicism is all about. They don’t understand the Eucharist nor many other of the tenants of faith.

Look I’m not claiming to have all the answers, nor am I trying to be prideful, but if I didn’t say something about this, my discerned conscience would bother me all day long.

Now I will pray for these intentions.
 
Wow, some people didn’t sleep last night 🙂

To earlier points, I think it’s true that true Catholicism transcends party lines. Few go to the voting booth without some reservations about the candidates, parties, positions. No wonder we pray every week for our leaders to act in the best interest of all mankind.

I’ve also wondered about “pro-choice” “pro-abortion” “pro-life”. You’ll be quick to correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the official sin is voting for a “pro-abortion” candidate. I think few Catholics are truly “pro-abortion” because it implies flawed morality about respect for life. The other terms are political means to handle the problem. In other words, will an out-right legal ban in the current state of society really solve or even help the problem? That might seem like liberal jargon but as someone just brought up, why are the laws not changing when Republicans are in office? Bush had periods during his presidency when the Republicans held both houses and could do whatever they wanted. Many voted for them because they preached pro-life but in the end they acted pro-choice. Based on that record, I’d have to believe that even if Romney or Santorum won this election, pro-life celebrations would be brief then replaced by more disappointment. So if “pro-choice” were really the sin, we couldn’t vote for anyone. Instead the church encourages us to vote for whom we believe will most uphold our values across multiple fronts. After that it’s a big political debate. We could have that debate but OPs question has been answered and I’d rather sleep tonight 🙂
 
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