do you have to go through the born-again thing to get to Heaven?

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I am a little unsure about how to answer…

hmmm… :hmmm::coffeeread::hmmm:

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[BIBLEDRB]John 3:5[/BIBLEDRB]Jesus tells us when we are baptized we are “born again.”

We recognize some are baptized by “desire” and others by “blood,” however. Also, God has the right to provide a way to be “born again” to those who never heard the Gospel.

All in Heaven are of the Church Triumphant and all must have been born again in order to get there.
 
I read it as the southern baptist type of born again, and thats a negatory ghost rider.

As for being Born again of water and the holy spirit, yes, except in some circumstances 😉
 
We are born again in Baptism.

We are born again- to use their term in the sacrament of penance.

We are “born again” in receiving the Lord in Communion.

Certain prayers like the Act of Consecration to Jesus through Mary have wording that is very similar or identical in meaning to these offered by the evangelicals.

That being said Evangelicalism is but a vague shadow of the true understanding we have in Catholicism and to a certain degree in Orthodoxy.
 
distracted said:
I am a little unsure about how to answer…

hmmm… :hmmm::coffeeread::hmmm:
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I answered yes, but admit that my view of “born-again” is probably more similar to the Catholic one than the American evagelical one.

I like what Feanor2 said - born again in Baptism, confession/Absolution, Communion. 👍

Jon
 
Other. In this case = yes, but…

Born again of water and of the Holy Spirit, yes.

American evangelical style born again, not necessarily.

Catholic sacraments, again not necessarily.
 
JonNC said:
I answered yes, but admit that my view of “born-again” is probably more similar to the Catholic one than the American evagelical one.

I like what Feanor2 said - born again in Baptism, confession/Absolution, Communion. 👍

Jon
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Ditto for me :cool:
 
Yes. One must be regenerate to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus said this.

However, God is not limited as far as how He accomplishes this in an individual. No one Christian organization has the magic formula through which God must work.
 
tomarin said:
Then I guess you could say all Christians are “born-again” Christians.
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Hmm…

I guess so as long as your definition of Christian is not somebody who goes to a Christian church.

A true Christian by definition is someone who is regenerate (born again).
 
AmateurPianist said:
Hmm…

I guess so as long as your definition of Christian is not somebody who goes to a Christian church.

A true Christian by definition is someone who is regenerate (born again).
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And that is where the problem lies today.The term Christian. JW’s consider themselves Christians,but deny most of the core doctrines of orthodox Christianity.
 
Nicea325 said:
And that is where the problem lies today.The term Christian. JW’s consider themselves Christians,but deny most of the core doctrines of orthodox Christianity.
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Yup. There is no standard definition of Christian.
 
AmateurPianist said:
Yes. One must be regenerate to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus said this.

However, God is not limited as far as how He accomplishes this in an individual. No one Christian organization has the magic formula through which God must work.
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Actually - you’re wrong.
There IS a formula, although not a magical one. It’s called Trinitarian Baptism (Matt. 28:19).
St. Paul uses the terms, “circumcision of the heart” and the “circumcision of Christ” (Romans 2:29, Col. 2:12-17) to describe the reality of circumcision being a spiritually inward act, not merely an outward sign. The Old Testament type that was circumcision is* now* baptism.**
St. Peter tells us in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
 
AmateurPianist said:
Hmm…

I guess so as long as your definition of Christian is not somebody who goes to a Christian church.

A true Christian by definition is someone who is regenerate (born again).
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Do you believe regeneration is accomplished through baptism, when we are joined to the body of Christ? Or at least that that is one way that we are regenerated?
 
elvisman said:
Actually - you’re wrong.
There IS a formula, although not a magical one. It’s called Trinitarian Baptism (Matt. 28:19).
St. Paul uses the terms, “circumcision of the heart” and the* “circumcision of Christ*” (Romans 2:29, Col. 2:12-17) to describe the reality of circumcision being a spiritually inward act, not merely an outward sign. The Old Testament type that was circumcision is* now* baptism.
St. Peter tells us in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
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Actually - it is your opinion that I am wrong.

But thanks for your opinion anyway. I am certainly open to being corrected if the Lord Jesus Christ shows me I am wrong.
 
tomarin said:
Do you believe regeneration is accomplished through baptism, when we are joined to the body of Christ? Or at least that that is one way that we are regenerated?
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Thank you for your courteous question.

I am going to answer “one way”.

I for one was regenerated 6 months before baptism. So I can’t in honesty answer all cases because that would violate how God has moved in my life.

but…

I have observed that in the New Testament book of Acts folks were Baptized at the same time as regeneration. Check it out…there was no “waiting for 6 months until the snow melted and the river warmed up” (as what happened in my case). So perhaps if the book of Acts methodology of baptism at the point of belief were consistently followed my answer would be different.
 
AmateurPianist said:
Actually - it is your opinion that I am wrong.

But thanks for your opinion anyway. I am certainly open to being corrected if the Lord Jesus Christ shows me I am wrong.
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No, the fact is that you are wrong. It is not an opinion, it is a fact. We are born again through Trinitarian baptism, that is a fact!
 
elvisman said:
There IS a formula, although not a magical one. It’s called Trinitarian Baptism (Matt. 28:19).
St. Paul uses the terms, “circumcision of the heart” and the* “circumcision of Christ*” (Romans 2:29, Col. 2:12-17) to describe the reality of circumcision being a spiritually inward act, not merely an outward sign. The Old Testament type that was circumcision is* now* baptism.
St. Peter tells us in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
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This is essentially what I was taught.
I was born again on June 27, a month and a day after I was born, 50 some years ago,

Jon
 
Holly3278 said:
No, the fact is that you are wrong. It is not an opinion, it is a fact. We are born again through Trinitarian baptism, that is a fact!
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And again, thank you for your opinion.

But I maintain I was regenerated 6 months before I was water baptized. In fact I know that to be the case and date my Christianity starting from that point.

But again, when the Lord Jesus Christ tells me I am wrong, then I certainly am open to change. Till then, see the verse in my sig.
 
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