Do you honestly agree with the philosophy of Ignatius of Loyola?

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“Take, Lord, and receive all my liberty, my memory, my understanding, and my entire will, all I have and call my own. You have given all to me. To you, Lord, I return it. Everything is yours; do with it what you will. Give me only your love and your grace, that is enough for me.”
― Ignatius of Loyola

This is profound! When I first read it I was thinking how terrible this would be, but now I honestly agree with it! I think philosophers would be very distraught over it!

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I do agree. I was given my intellect to find truth, and Jesus is the Truth; I was given my will to do the good, and God alone is Good.

St. Ignatius is my Patron BTW.
 
As someone discerning a Jesuit vocation to the priesthood yes I do 🙂
 
Absolutely! But, it takes great courage and a faith that I hope I can grow to embrace more fully.
 
Yes, I do.

The old Baltimore Catechism taught that God made us to know Him, to love Him, to serve Him, and to be happy with Him in Heaven forever.

This has been my most basic core value since I was 7.

Now some 60 years later, I know that I am nothing without God’s love. I owe Him everything. Every ability I have, every accomplishment I achieved comes from Him and is for Him.

I reaffirmed my intent when I was 17. Told God, that I might get busy and distracted, but I wanted to His Will always even if I wasn’t thinking about Him at the moment.

Now, a half century later, I realize I have been allowed by God to do His Will but I really should have done more. So I depend on HIs Forgiveness and Mercy.
As for the Jesuits, can anyone cite a book that shows just how thoroughly the Jesuit educational system has developed the Western World? What they learned, what they taught, what their students went on to learn and accomplish seems to be the bedrock of the Western World knows. Seems very fitting blessing for a Society of Jesus.
 
Robert_Sock said:
“Take, Lord, and receive all my liberty, my memory, my understanding, and my entire will, all I have and call my own. You have given all to me. To you, Lord, I return it. Everything is yours; do with it what you will. Give me only your love and your grace, that is enough for me.”
― Ignatius of Loyola

This is profound! When I first read it I was thinking how terrible this would be, but now I honestly agree with it! I think philosophers would be very distraught over it!

LOVE! ❤️
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What makes you think philosophers would not or could not have the same sentiments? Remember that amongst the Church’s list of Saints are many philosophers. I’m sure these and the other Saints felt the same.

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Robert_Sock said:
“Take, Lord, and receive all my liberty, my memory, my understanding, and my entire will, all I have and call my own. You have given all to me. To you, Lord, I return it. Everything is yours; do with it what you will. Give me only your love and your grace, that is enough for me.”
― Ignatius of Loyola
This is profound! When I first read it I was thinking how terrible this would be, but now I honestly agree with it! I think philosophers would be very distraught over it!

LOVE! ❤️
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Why would it be terrible when God knows exactly what we need?

You seem to have a strange opinion of Catholic philosophers, Robert!
 
tonyrey said:
Why would it be terrible when God knows exactly what we need?

You seem to have a strange opinion of Catholic philosophers, Robert!
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I alway valued the quote, but felt very troubled if having to endure these losses. I really thought that philosophers would too.

LOVE! ❤️
 
I should have asked how distressed people would be having to give up all these things. I would have thought that the more intellectual a person, the greater the distress. I would still like to see responses from you guys. It’s almost as if Ignatius of Loyola is describing Alzheimer’s, which is dreadful and is becoming an epidemic.

LOVE! ❤️
 
The quote arrives from a prayer. Beautiful actually. HIs spiritual exercises are well embraced throughout the Church.
 
Robert_Sock said:
“Take, Lord, and receive all my liberty, my memory, my understanding, and my entire will, all I have and call my own. You have given all to me. To you, Lord, I return it. Everything is yours; do with it what you will. Give me only your love and your grace, that is enough for me.”
― Ignatius of Loyola
This is profound! When I first read it I was thinking how terrible this would be, but now I honestly agree with it! I think philosophers would be very distraught over it!

LOVE! ❤️
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Never thought about Alzheimer’s. The prayer is sufficiently broad enough to include Alzheimer’s but it is hard for me to see how THAT was Ignatius’ primary intent when he composed this prayer.

As far as I know, Ignatius, a former military man, was physically fit and high energy. I take his meaning that he was totally committing himself - “everything is yours; do with it what you will.”

I am reminded about the rich young man that was living a proper life. Christ said he was close. And to sell all he had and follow Christ. He, like most of us, did not have that strong a commitment. Ignatius did.

It is hard for me to see how one can choose to return his memory, his understanding, his will. With Alzheimer’s it seems that he is loosing it. He may know that, and say to God, I know You gave it all to me and that it is going back to you. Your love and grace is enough. A great prayer indeed. But is seems one with Alzheimer’s is accepting the loss and but not choosing to send it back. One would prefer to use his abilities to continue to do God’s Will here on earth until that day.

Perhaps, with Alzheimer’s, God’s Will may be for others to act on their love and care properly and willingly for the one with Alzheimer’s.

Just my thoughts. Not enough to endorse them as the better.
 
Robert_Sock said:
“Take, Lord, and receive all my liberty, my memory, my understanding, and my entire will, all I have and call my own. You have given all to me. To you, Lord, I return it. Everything is yours; do with it what you will. Give me only your love and your grace, that is enough for me.”
― Ignatius of Loyola

This is profound! When I first read it I was thinking how terrible this would be, but now I honestly agree with it! I think philosophers would be very distraught over it!

LOVE! ❤️
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I think Descartes wouldn’t care for it: “Cogito ergo sum” (I think, therefore I am)!

Seriously, I do want to do God’s will, but not lose my entire self. It is a beautiful statement though.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Seriously, I do want to do God’s will, but not lose my entire self. It is a beautiful statement though.
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Why isn’t doing Gods will finding yourself? What makes anyone think the self can find itself without God? What you think may not be an accurate representation of the self. How do we know we are accurately understanding ourselves?

How does one gauge this as accurate or true?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Why isn’t doing Gods will finding yourself? What makes anyone think the self can find itself without God? What you think may not be an accurate representation of the self. How do we know we are accurately understanding ourselves?

How does one gauge this as accurate or true?
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If you lose your memory, you lose your sense of self.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
If you lose your memory, you lose your sense of self.
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There could be no full knowledge of the sin, or a deliberate consent of the sinner. You wouldn’t know what you are doing relinquishing liability.

Very different from the parable of the rich man who truly thought he found himself, and by all apparent reasoning had no reason to believe otherwise. In fact his alternative as explained by Christ was at total odds with his state of understanding the self.

However, it completely aligns with the Saint above?
 
GaryTaylor said:
There could be no full knowledge of the sin, or a deliberate consent of the sinner. You wouldn’t know what you are doing relinquishing liability.

Very different from the parable of the rich man who truly thought he found himself, and by all apparent reasoning had no reason to believe otherwise. In fact his alternative as explained by Christ was at total odds with his state of understanding the self.

However, it completely aligns with the Saint above?
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Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about.:confused:
 
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