Do you know what Yahweh God tells us about Islam?

[R_not]

And what is the name of this ‘moon god’ in Arabic?

allah, al-ilah was its name and one thing that tells us that it was something that mohammed used to create his new ‘religion’ is that mohammed’s father’s name was ‘Abd-Allah’ or ‘Abdullah’, meaning a worshipper or servant of allah.

allah

this quote from the article showing that allah was referenced as Lucifer wanting to ‘ascend’ to heaven.

**Origin:

According to Jewish sources, the word “alah” in the Hebrew language means “to ascend.” Alah is found in the Hebrew Bible 688 times and translated a number of ways: “went up” [Gen 2:6]; “arose” [Gen 19:15]; and “ascend” [Isa 14:13]. There is only one text of scripture in which “alah” is used that comes near describing a god and that is Isaiah 14:13. In this text Lucifer, the great satan, claims he will “alah” [ascend] into heaven and replace God. This boast by the great satan is believed by many Christians to be the origin of the use of the name Allah for a god.

Prior to Mohammed’s conversion to the Jewish religion from which he fashioned his new religion of Islam, the god “Allah” among the pagan Arabs of Arabia was the highest or the mighty god. Since this god was the family god of Mohammed’s father, it is no mystery why then Allah became the mighty god of Islam.

Purpose:

If indeed the great satan made his boast to be “Alah” in Isaiah 14:13, and if indeed, he has impregnated over a billion people upon the earth to shout his name, then Lucifer has indeed become a mighty god for a billion people upon the earth. The Qur’an would by implication be the Bible of Lucifer as written or dictated by Mohammed. **

 

[R_not]

** Are you sure,your God can do anything?

Is there anything your God cannot do?

**

Yes, how many times must I write that. He created this Universe, human kind, all the animals on this earth, the solar system, more solar systems than we can count, etc.

No, there is nothing our God cannot do. And doing more than one thing at once is one of those things. Unlike allah who could not even make up its mind and direct mohammed in the koran - look how many surahs are abrogated!

**

Just because you believe that your God indeed did do it, doesn’t mean He infact did it.

What you say is merely your belief and ofcourse you can believe whatever you like.

You can even believe that your God will rent a razor from a specific naion and do so…and so with you on that Day.(just read your **Holy Bible - Isaiah 7:20 ****to find out what is so and so)
​

And you go on into some inane rant. Ironic that you all claim to worship the same God that we do - now you are basically saying you do not. Thanks! I appreciate you finally admitting that these are two different things.​

 

[R_not]

I put this in the ‘ask about islam’, but maybe you should prove this here too.

Question: how do muslims prove that the Bible was corrupted? Please show the proof of the corruption and the original Bible.

Please do NOT use the koran or hadiths to prove your point. There should be an original document, or text, that they draw this assertion on.

Make sure to include the following:
-Exactly what passages, or chapters, were corrupted.
-Who corrupted the Bible and please don’t use a sweeping statement such as, ‘Christians and Jews corrupted the Bible’.
-provide the proof other than the koran and hadiths because they only have mohammed saying they are corrupted without giving any proof. And don’t say that ‘allah said, or mohammed said that the Bible is corrupted’ because that is just stuff from the koran and mohammed was an illiterate pagan who was throwing out accusations against a literate people who believe that the Bible is the Word of God and had no reason to rewrite it.

So, please provide some proof.

Take note that the muslims are unable to prove their assertion that the Bible was corrupted. They have no other proof other than the rants of an illiterate pagan, mohammed.

 

[Analyzer]

allah, al-ilah was its name and one thing that tells us that it was something that mohammed used to create his new ‘religion’ is that mohammed’s father’s name was ‘Abd-Allah’ or ‘Abdullah’, meaning a worshipper or servant of allah.

allah

this quote from the article showing that allah was referenced as Lucifer wanting to ‘ascend’ to heaven.

Origin:

According to Jewish sources, the word “alah” in the Hebrew language means “to ascend.” Alah is found in the Hebrew Bible 688 times and translated a number of ways: “went up” [Gen 2:6]; “arose” [Gen 19:15]; and “ascend” [Isa 14:13]. There is only one text of scripture in which “alah” is used that comes near describing a god and that is Isaiah 14:13. In this text Lucifer, the great satan, claims he will “alah” [ascend] into heaven and replace God. This boast by the great satan is believed by many Christians to be the origin of the use of the name Allah for a god.

Prior to Mohammed’s conversion to the Jewish religion from which he fashioned his new religion of Islam, the god “Allah” among the pagan Arabs of Arabia was the highest or the mighty god. Since this god was the family god of Mohammed’s father, it is no mystery why then Allah became the mighty god of Islam.

Purpose:

If indeed the great satan made his boast to be “Alah” in Isaiah 14:13, and if indeed, he has impregnated over a billion people upon the earth to shout his name, then Lucifer has indeed become a mighty god for a billion people upon the earth. The Qur’an would by implication be the Bible of Lucifer as written or dictated by Mohammed.

**You are quoting something from an anti-Islam website in which Muslims do not believe nor Islam teaches such things.

And this is your source of knowledge about Islam? LOL…

You must backup your claim from Islaimc source.**

 

[bluebutterfly]

Isaiah 14:13-14 of the original Bible says:

“You said in your heart: I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of the assembly, on the uttmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

But the very next verse of the original Bible, Isaiah 14:15 says:

“But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.”

It is satan who is the god (fallen angel) of hate.

 

[Analyzer]

No, there is nothing our God cannot do.

Can your God create an uncreated ‘the Father’, just like/equal unto Him?

Can your God make few more [so-called] “uncreated” JESUSes?

Can your God die forever?

 

[bluebutterfly]

Can your God create an uncreated ‘the Father’, just like/equal unto Him?

Can your God make few more [so-called] “uncreated” JESUSes?

Can your God die forever?

Jesus only needed to be born, live, teach, and die for us once BECAUSE He is God.

 

[Angelos]

**The student in question, must have asked: “Please explain rationally, the mystery of Christian Trinity’”, then ofcourse this mystery -even after 2000 years- is still a mystery to Church, let alone Muslims.

Or he may have asked: "How can Jesus be a 100%man and 100% God at the same time, when he has been eating and drinking and must have used bathrooms for ‘call of nature’?

God, who eats, drinks and go for call of nature to excrete?!!!?? Then ofcourse that student must have been expelled from class. Not a surprise at all.

**

This Islamic hatred towards the Christian notion of Incarnation is essentially linked to the Islamic degradation of human nature.

You Muslims reject that God could take flesh and dwell among us whereas you always claim that God almighty revealed Himself to mortal humans and always used human means to teach His truth. How can God almighty give His message to a creature that feels hunger, thirst, and pain? How can God almighty give His message to a creature that goes to bathroom?

Islam also contends that God’s uncreated and eternal Word took the form of a book. I have the right to question why was God’s Word turned into an inanimate object? Why did God’s Word take the form of paper, a material that humans also use in the bathroom? Why did God’s Word take the form of a book that can be dirtied, trampled, and destroyed (torn or burned)???

Waiting for your answers

 

[Angelos]

Can your God create an uncreated ‘the Father’, just like/equal unto Him?

Can your God make few more [so-called] “uncreated” JESUSes?

Can your God die forever?

Can your god duplicate himself?

Can your god stop existing for a time?

Can your god be sick of being god and decide to retire?

Multiple choice question: Can you ask reasonable questions?

a) NO b) NO c) NO d) NO e) NO

 

[R_not]

**You are quoting something from an anti-Islam website in which Muslims do not believe nor Islam teaches such things.

And this is your source of knowledge about Islam? LOL…

You must backup your claim from Islaimc source.**

Every source that doesn’t whole heartedly agree with you/muslims is an anti-islamic website.

You don’t have to read the website to know that mohammed’s father’s name was Abdallah and that it means worshiper of allah.

And no, I don’t have to use an islamic source because the Jewish and Christian sources were around much longer than the islamic source that has distorted all to prove its own points. And if you read the source, you will find that it comes from the Bible which was around well before the mohammed, the koran and its ‘religion’.

We see in all these muslim threads that the muslims are rewriting history. their retelling of history is of the order of fairy tales.

Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”

The variable names (Sin, Hubul, llumquh, Al-ilah) of moon god were used by various tribes of pagan Arabs. Pagan god SIN was the name of Moon-god.

Surprisingly, Qur’an never defines the word “Allah” as to who actually Allah was or what was the relation of Allah with pagans. I believe, 99% percent of Muslims do believe that—Allah’s name was invented or started right from the time when Gabriel disclosed the truth (?) to Prophet Muhammad in the cave of Hira Parvat (Mountain) and gave Muhammad the Quran. They believe that before this truth was revealed—pagan Arabs were in the total darkness (Andhakar Zuug) and they used to worship various puppet goddess and that the pagans were very evil people. I can bet on this fact that no mullahs ever told us the real truth, neither they believe this clean truth that “Allah” was in fact a pre-existing deity in pagan Arabia. What a hypocrisy?

What you have to prove is that the Bible was corrupted and to show the original text and some source other than just saying that the ‘Christians and Jews did it’, or that ‘allah said that the Christians and Jews did it’.

You have nothing. Instead you do what you always do and deflect with some other inane point.

I think you need to prove some of your assertions and don’t use the koran and hadiths since they are the rants of mohammed who couldn’t make up his mind, or forgot what he would think up day to day.

 

[R_not]

Prophet Muhammad did command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca. (Please See Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78). … “the whole of the [pagan] pilgrimage was spiritualized in Islam…” (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80). In the Tafsir (of Quran-2:200) maoulana Yousuf Ali stated: “After Pilgrimage, in Pagan times, the pilgrims used to gather in assemblies in which the praises of ancestors were sung. As the whole of the pilgrimage rites were spiritualized in Islam, so this aftermath of the Pilgrimage was also spiritualized. It was recommended for pilgrims to stay on two or three days after the pilgrimage, but they must use them in prayer and praise to God.(#223 of Shane’nazul by Maoulana Yousuf Ali, page-81)

 

[bluebutterfly]

Things consecrated to the service of God (e.g. priests, nuns, chalises for communion, the Bible) are considered sacred by the association with God. It is satan who perverts the sacred by using what is sacred (or a counterfeit) to do evil, to destroy souls and kill innocent people. It might be a sin for someone to be disrespectful of the Bible. I would have an obligation to rebuke them because the Bible says to rebuke your brother when he sins or you share in his guilt, but I would not murder someone because they were disrespectful.

 

[Analyzer]

If indeed the great satan made his boast to be “Alah” in Isaiah 14:13, and if indeed, he has impregnated over a billion people upon the earth to shout his name, then Lucifer has indeed become a mighty god for a billion people upon the earth. The Qur’an would by implication be the Bible of Lucifer as written or dictated by Mohammed.

**LOL.

Before you quote from an Islamic site to “prove” your baseless claim about the origin/meaning of the word ‘alah’, below is a quote from your Catholic Encyclopedia about the Arabic word 'Allah":**

Allah

**The name of God in Arabic.

It is a compound word from the article, 'al, and ilah, divinity, and signifies “the god” par excellence**. This form of the divine name is in itself a sure proof that ilah was at one time an appellative, common to all the local and tribal gods. Gradually, with the addition of the article, it was restricted to one of them who took precedence of the others; finally, with the triumph of monotheism, He was recognized as the only true God.

In one form or another this Hebrew root occurs in all Semitic languages as a designation of the Divinity; but whether it was originally a proper name, pointing to a primitive monotheism, with subsequent deviation into polytheism and further rehabilitation, or was from the beginning an appellative which became a proper name only when the Semites had reached monotheism is a much debated question. It is certain, however, that before the time of Mohammed, owing to their contact with Jews and Christians, the Arabs were generally monotheists.

The notion of Allah in Arabic theology is substantially the same as that of God among the Jews, and also among the Christians, with the exception of the Trinity, which is positively excluded in the Koran, cxii: “Say God, is one God, the eternal God, he begetteth not, neither is he begotten and there is not any one like unto him.”

newadvent.org/cathen/01316a.htm

**

Are you a Catholic or Born-Again Christian?

It would be interesting for you (if you know Arabic) to check your version fo the Bible in Arabic and see what Arabic word is used by your Chruch translators for the word ‘God’? Like, when Paul says:

1 Corinthians 8:4
But as for the meats that are sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no **God but one.

Check this out and let’s see whether Paul too believed in a moon God or something else.

 

[Angelos]

** Are you sure,your God can do anything?

Is there anything your God cannot do?

**

**Just because you believe that your God indeed did do it, doesn’t mean He infact did it.

What you say is merely your belief and ofcourse you can believe whatever you like.

You can even believe that your God will rent a razor from a specific naion and do so…and so with you on that Day.(just read your **Holy Bible - Isaiah 7:20 ****to find out what is so and so)

Your god says he uses scourges to punish some nations:

Surah 41:13
But if they turn aside, then say: I have warned you of a scourge like the scourge of Ad and Samood.

 

[bluebutterfly]

The phrase that we are told means “Allah is great” really means “Allah is the greatest” (of all the gods).

 

[Angelos]

**LOL.

Before you quote from an Islamic site to “prove” your baseless claim about the origin/meaning of the word ‘alah’, below is a quote from your Catholic Encyclopedia about the Arabic word 'Allah":**

​

newadvent.org/cathen/01316a.htm

**

Are you a Catholic or Born-Again Christian?

It would be interesting for you (if you know Arabic) to check your version fo the Bible in Arabic and see what Arabic word is used by your Chruch translators for the word ‘God’? Like, when Paul says:

1 Corinthians 8:4
But as for the meats that are sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no **God but one.

Check this out and let’s see whether Paul too beleive in a moon God or something else.

The information you have quoted from the Catholic Encyclopedia debunks your claim that Allah is the proper noun of the Islamic god. R_Not contends that Allah is the name of the pagan moon god because you Muslims avoid translating the word Allah as “the God” in all the languages other than Arabic.

 

[bluebutterfly]

It is interesting that you are now associating a Hebrew root with the word “allah” of Islam. The Arabs and the Jews also had a common ancestor in Abraham, who was not a monkey or an ape, and we know the geneology of the Jews since Abraham.

 

[Analyzer]

Your god says he uses scourges to punish some nations:

Surah 41:13
But if they turn aside, then say: I have warned you of a scourge like the scourge of Ad and Samood.

**Did you by mistake overlook these verses from your *Douay Rheims Latin Vulgate Bible ***and qouted the Koran instead about “scourge”? :

Isaias 19

1 The burden of Egypt. Behold the Lord will ascend upon a swift cloud, and will enter into Egypt, and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst thereof.

2 And I will set the Egyptians to fight against the Egyptians: and they shall fight brother against brother, and friend against friend, city against city, kingdom against kingdom.

3 And the spirit of Egypt shall be broken in the bowels thereof, and I will cast down their counsel: and they shall consult their idols, and their diviners, and their wizards, and soothsayers.

4 And I will deliver Egypt into the hand of cruel masters, and a strong king shall rule over them, saith the Lord the God of hosts.

5 And the water of the sea shall be dried up, and the river shall be wasted and dry. …

22 And the Lord shall strike Egypt with a scourge, and shall heal it, and they shall return to the Lord, and he shall be pacified towards them, and heal them.

Isaias 28:18
And Sour league with death shall be abolished, and your covenant with hell shall not stand: when the overflowing scourge shall pass, you shall be trodden down by it.​

 

[Angelos]

**Did you by mistake overlook these verses from your *Douay Rheims Latin Vulgate Bible ***and qouted the Koran instead about “scourge”? :

Isaias 19

1 The burden of Egypt. Behold the Lord will ascend upon a swift cloud, and will enter into Egypt, and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst thereof.

2 And I will set the Egyptians to fight against the Egyptians: and they shall fight brother against brother, and friend against friend, city against city, kingdom against kingdom.

3 And the spirit of Egypt shall be broken in the bowels thereof, and I will cast down their counsel: and they shall consult their idols, and their diviners, and their wizards, and soothsayers.

4 And I will deliver Egypt into the hand of cruel masters, and a strong king shall rule over them, saith the Lord the God of hosts.

5 And the water of the sea shall be dried up, and the river shall be wasted and dry. …

22 And the Lord shall strike Egypt with a scourge, and shall heal it, and they shall return to the Lord, and he shall be pacified towards them, and heal them.

Isaias 28:18
And Sour league with death shall be abolished, and your covenant with hell shall not stand: when the overflowing scourge shall pass, you shall be trodden down by it.​

So what? I have quoted from the Koran only to prove you a hypocrite and I have succeeded. You criticise the Old Testament for having figures of speech whilst your scripture does the same.

 

[R_not]

**LOL.

Before you quote from an Islamic site to “prove” your baseless claim about the origin/meaning of the word ‘alah’, below is a quote from your Catholic Encyclopedia about the Arabic word 'Allah":**

[/INDENT]

When you can prove that the bible was distorted, or rewritten, then I will take your rebuttels as serious. Until then they are baseless since you are talking in circles.

Your own muslims are the ones who explained allah. You don’t like it so you divert attention from it.

So, I guess this will be the closest that one can come to knowing the truth from a muslim.

I got most of what I got from muslim sources, one of the main ones being Ali Sina. Another from this website - a scholar of islam.

www.inthenameofallah.org

here is a write up about allah

**Allah was the name of the principal though not the only deity in pre-Islamic pagan Mecca. He stood supreme over and above all the other gods just as the Ka’ba was pre eminent among the other sanctuaries - also called Ka’ba(s) - of Arabia.
He was Lord of Mecca.

   In reality, Allah is NOT the God of Israel, but the PERSONAL NAME of the 'divine spirit' that according to the beliefs of the pagan Arabs,RESIDED in the Black Stone meteorite - embedded in the wall of the Ka'ba - that was VENERATED by the pagan Arabians long before Muhammad and his Quran. 


   The Allah of pagan Arabia was only the NAME (not a TITLE) of the supreme god at the head of their Pantheon of gods and goddesses similar to Jove/ Jupiter or Zeus in the pantheons of the gods of the Romans and the Greeks. **

It goes on more about allah…

**Allah is Muhammad’s own ALTER EGO projected onto the persona and into the mouth of ALLAH, the supreme PAGAN DEITY of Arabia.

   Hence, according to the Quran, the Arabised name of the God of Israel and the god of the Muhammadan Muslims was made one and the same: ALLAH.

   This was accomplished despite the fact that the God of Israel has NO NAME and most certainly NOT Allah.

   In the Torah, God told Moses when he enquired about the Almighty's name, He replied-

Exodus 3: 14 “I am, who I am” which is YAHWEH, a term repeated in the Bible over 6800 times, but never ALLAH.

    Actually, in the Arabic language, God is called al Ilah, similar to the Hebrew Elohim. 

   For the last 1400 years, the followers of Muhammad have succeeded in perpetrating one of the greatest falsehoods that was ever insinuated into the human consciousness, namely, that Allah was or is the God of Israel.

…

They intentionally mistranslate the Arabic word ILAH which actually means GOD into the proper pre Islamic name of the pagan Arabian god of the Black Stone, ALLAH.

   This methodology of falsifying and contorting the facts is used incessantly by the Muhammadan exegetes and translators to perfect their agenda of misleading the lisreners or readers into believing that the Allah of pagan Arabia was and is the name of the Almighty -the God of Israel- while in fact it was the name of the pagan deity of the Meccan Arabs that Muhammad had no choice but to incorporate into his cultic ideology and 'Islamise' it.

   It is extremely important to point out - in confirmation of the above statements - that of all the idols of pagan Arabia, Allah was the only deity in the Ka'ba that had no statue or effigy to revere since it was actually the Black Stone embedded into the wall of the Ka'ba.

**

The above is just a partial quote, and all of these assertions of mine are from those who were raised muslim and decided that it was bunk and left.