Do You Know Where You Will Go If You Die Right Now?

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As I was leaving Bryant Park today, a man, who ended up being a pentecostal pastor, traveling with two youth (evangelists in training), handed me a track. I graciously said thank you.

Then he asked me a question:

If you were to die right now, do you know where you would go?

I mumbled something about the mercy of God and we can’t assume, etc. He said that he knows he would be in heaven.

We talked a little more and I was able to make some headway with him a little bit especially once he found out I was a convert and he knew his normal lines wouldn’t work.

But I still fumbled at the first question.

How would you answer his question?
 
I would answer, “I think it’s God job to know the answer to that question and my job to help Him make the decision!” 😃
 
As I was leaving Bryant Park today, a man, who ended up being a pentecostal pastor, traveling with two youth (evangelists in training), handed me a track. I graciously said thank you.

Then he asked me a question:

If you were to die right now, do you know where you would go?

I mumbled something about the mercy of God and we can’t assume, etc. He said that he knows he would be in heaven.

We talked a little more and I was able to make some headway with him a little bit especially once he found out I was a convert and he knew his normal lines wouldn’t work.

But I still fumbled at the first question.

How would you answer his question?
I would ask them if they were still sinners? If they say yes then I would refer them to Revelations where it says nothing sinful can enter Heaven and then show them 1Cor 3 where it say we are being cleansed.

Another thing is to say that it is not divine revelation that any one person has his name written in the book of life will have it remain there (unless you are John Calvin)🙂
 
I would ask them if they were still sinners? If they say yes then I would refer them to Revelations where it says nothing sinful can enter Heaven and then show them 1Cor 3 where it say we are being cleansed.

Another thing is to say that it is not divine revelation that any one person has his name written in the book of life will have it remain there (unless you are John Calvin)🙂
I did give him Philippians 2: 12: “…continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.”

He seemed to pause a little bit at that.
 
The article “Halloween, High Street, and Holy Witnesses” by Donald Casadonte here on CAF explains how the Jews and Christians in the first century would have understood the terms redemption and salvation based on how debtor’s prisons operated.

***When a first-century person could not pay his debt, he was often thrown into prison until the debt was paid. To further humiliate him, the debtor was forbidden to pay the debt himself, even if he came into some money while in prison. A relative had to come and pay the amount owed. This paying of the bill was called redemption. Now, look, before Christ came, we were all in a sort of debtor’s prison because of the sin of Adam. We could not pay the debt ourselves. A relative had to come and pay it for us. This may be one reason why Christ became man, became our relative by blood, so to speak.

In any case, once the debt was redeemed, the relative was then given the right to walk back to the prison cell, open it, and escort the debtor out of the prison. This second process-the application of the ‘right-to-leave’ that the relative had purchased for the debtor and the debtor’s willingness to be so publicly humiliated in being led out of the prison-is what a first-century person would have understood by the term salvation.

"Catholics believe that the world was redeemed by Christ’s sacrifice on the cross, but the second part of the process, the salvation part, depends partially on us. You see, even when Christ walks into the prison and takes us by the hand to save us-Christians almost universally call this initial step “baptism”-we still have to walk with him out of the cell. And we can let go of his hand at any time before we get to the door, if we are sufficiently cantankerous or too ashamed to be recognized as his kin. We certainly can lose (technically, give up) our salvation, as any good first-century Jew or Gentile would have realized***

How debtor’s prison’s operated in the citation above is really the meat of the apologetic in the article. Still, it is worth reading the whole article because he was approached with the standard line you were approached with - “Would you know where you are going if you died tonight?”

It’s worth researching how debtor’s prison’s operated to better understand some of these passages. I’ve come across drips and drabs here and there but no single good source to explain it.

Basically, you can be redeemed by anyone, but if you don’t recognize them or don’t want to go with them, you don’t have to. You can stay in your cell until someone else redeems you. That’s how many slaves and servants were purchased - redeemed out of debtor’s prisons by a rich man in exchange for becoming a servant for a period of time or a slave. The debtor aparently had the right of refusal, and could wait for a better redemption. Once the debtor walked through the door of the prison with his redeemer into daylight however, it was done.

That’s the literal sense of many scriptures - how a first century Jew would have understood Christ’s words about being thrown into prison until you have paid the last penny and many of the texts in the epistles about redemption and salvation.

-Tim-
 
I have asked people to reconcile Matthew 7:21 with Romans 10:9

*for, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9)

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. (Matthew 7:21)*

Ask which one is correct.

My Church has reconciled these two passages many, many centuries ago. They are both 100% correct.

-Tim-
 
Doesn’t this fall back on the Assurance of Salvation issue?
What To Say

“Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic should reply: “As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I *will be *saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”
Maybe we all need to have business cards printed up with our name, number, and parish address on them and this on the back. I might just do that.
 
As I was leaving Bryant Park today, a man, who ended up being a pentecostal pastor, traveling with two youth (evangelists in training), handed me a track. I graciously said thank you.

Then he asked me a question:

If you were to die right now, do you know where you would go?

I mumbled something about the mercy of God and we can’t assume, etc. He said that he knows he would be in heaven.

We talked a little more and I was able to make some headway with him a little bit especially once he found out I was a convert and he knew his normal lines wouldn’t work.

But I still fumbled at the first question.

How would you answer his question?
Are you saved? I was just watching Metropolitan Kallistos Ware answer this question last night. He is one awesome teacher 👍

youtu.be/IjHGtCHyBrU
 
Then he asked me a question:

If you were to die right now, do you know where you would go?
As a Catholic then YES, I do know. After all I gave my confession just this morning, then received our Lord’s body and blood in the Eucharist at the noon mass, and I have been on my best behavior ever since. 🙂
I am truly reconciled to my Lord our God. Walking in grace.
If I were to die right now then I would be with our Lord Jesus Christ in Paradise.
Praise God. 👍
 
To me, there are two questions, and two answers.

First: if you were to die RIGHT NOW…well, I could say with reasonably assured hope that I am saved right now. I know of no mortal sins on my soul, I am a frequenter of confession, and find no reason to doubt I would be with God.

But the second question: Do you know where you will go when you die? this question takes out the immediate. It doesn’t ask, RIGHT NOW, but infers, SOMEDAY, when you die…and we can’t know that. We don’t know what decisions we will make at the hour of our death
 
To me, there are two questions, and two answers.

First: if you were to die RIGHT NOW…well, I could say with reasonably assured hope that I am saved right now. I know of no mortal sins on my soul, I am a frequenter of confession, and find no reason to doubt I would be with God.

But the second question: Do you know where you will go when you die? this question takes out the immediate. It doesn’t ask, RIGHT NOW, but infers, SOMEDAY, when you die…and we can’t know that. We don’t know what decisions we will make at the hour of our death
Well, right before he came by, I had just finished having my first session with my spiritual director. The funny thing is I told the man that he just missed a priest. He said, “What did you do, have confession?” He laughed and said he was just joking. Ha ha ha.

I laughed too and said yes. I actually had confession in the park. That was interesting.

So I supposed I could have said, then yes, I will be in heaven.

But is that so? If you just had confession and died the next minute, does it mean you go straight to heaven or is there the possibility of purgatory?

By the way, I see that you guys posted some great stuff. I’ll take a look at everything and respond some time during the day.
 
Well, right before he came by, I had just finished having my first session with my spiritual director. The funny thing is I told the man that he just missed a priest. He said, “What did you do, have confession?” He laughed and said he was just joking. Ha ha ha.

I laughed too and said yes. I actually had confession in the park. That was interesting.

So I supposed I could have said, then yes, I will be in heaven.

But is that so? If you just had confession and died the next minute, does it mean you go straight to heaven or is there the possibility of purgatory?

By the way, I see that you guys posted some great stuff. I’ll take a look at everything and respond some time during the day.
I think in discussions like this, Purgatory is a seperate matter. WE might go there first, even after confession, but the point is, we’d be “saved”
 
As I was leaving Bryant Park today, a man, who ended up being a pentecostal pastor, traveling with two youth (evangelists in training), handed me a track. I graciously said thank you.

Then he asked me a question:

If you were to die right now, do you know where you would go?

I mumbled something about the mercy of God and we can’t assume, etc. He said that he knows he would be in heaven.

We talked a little more and I was able to make some headway with him a little bit especially once he found out I was a convert and he knew his normal lines wouldn’t work.

But I still fumbled at the first question.

How would you answer his question?
I may say I don’t know but I would hope for heaven. Someone asked me this question and he had a casket pretty much asked me if you were in this casket tomorrow where do you think you would be. I was on my way to class so I didn’t have much time to talk to him.

but if someone said If I died today I know I would go to heaven, I would simply ask them how do you know. He probably answer because I was saved or blah blah blah, then I would respond saying well ok what if someone commited some serious sin after being “saved” wouldn’t that ruin his salvaiton. If he said well he wasn’t truly saved, and I would respond how can you know for certain that you are saved. Couldn’t you commit some serious sin one day and you would have never have been saved?

Its always good to ask them questions, I find with most of these people like try to ask you lots of questions and if they know your Catholic they will try to ask questions to trip you up. One guys one day asked me couldn’t pagans do the same thing your doing, I didn’t really have an answer for him. But if I did I would say no they can’t because the Catholic Mass is more then just going through the motions.
 
Well, right before he came by, I had just finished having my first session with my spiritual director. The funny thing is I told the man that he just missed a priest. He said, “What did you do, have confession?” He laughed and said he was just joking. Ha ha ha.

I laughed too and said yes. I actually had confession in the park. That was interesting.

So I supposed I could have said, then yes, I will be in heaven.

But is that so? If you just had confession and died the next minute, does it mean you go straight to heaven or is there the possibility of purgatory?

By the way, I see that you guys posted some great stuff. I’ll take a look at everything and respond some time during the day.
in order to understand if you will go straight to heaven go through purgatory or go straight to hell. We must understand the 3 things of sin.

first with every sin there is guilt, so if you got drunk one night you would be guilty of being drunk.

second you have what is called the debt of punishment

don’t remember the name of the third thing but it is pretty much a sin will make it easier to sin in the future.

so baptism forgives all three things,

at the moment of absolution all your guilt is forgiven no matter if you said it in confession or not.

the penence given to you by the priest will cover debt of punishment, but ONLY for the sins you brought up in confession. For example lets say you mentioned lying being drunk eating to much using the lords name in vane, but you forgot to mention lust. Your sin of lust would be forgiven but the debt would still need to be payed and once you do your penance all the sins you brought up in confession would be forgiven

the third is only forgiven if you bring it up in confession, but it has no impact on your time in purgatory or your salvation if you don’t bring it up.

if you are guilty of a mortal sin you go straight to hell, plain and simple.

if you aren’t guilty of a mortal sin but guilty of veinal sins you go to purgatory.

if you aren’t guilty of any sins mortal or veinal but you still have a dept of punishment to pay you go to purgatory

if you aren’t guilty of any sins mortal or veinal and you have paid all of your debt of punishment (which is forgiven by your penance or an indulgence) you go straight to heaven.
 
As I was leaving Bryant Park today, a man, who ended up being a pentecostal pastor, traveling with two youth (evangelists in training), handed me a track. I graciously said thank you.

Then he asked me a question:

If you were to die right now, do you know where you would go?

I mumbled something about the mercy of God and we can’t assume, etc. He said that he knows he would be in heaven.

We talked a little more and I was able to make some headway with him a little bit especially once he found out I was a convert and he knew his normal lines wouldn’t work.

But I still fumbled at the first question.

How would you answer his question?
I don’t think you fumbled it. I think it’s a bad question.

Edwin
 
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