Do you miss Gregorian Chant?

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“I am not anti-Vatican II, but it woudl be great if every church had the luxury of presenting one traditional mas a Sunday.”
  1. Vat II didn’t call for a new Mass, so it would be impossible to call someone “anti-Vat II” who wants a Traditional Mass (which was said everyday before the discussions of the Council began).
  2. Vat II itself says that Gregorian chant deserves “pride of place” in the Liturgy, as it is the music of the Church.
 
No, although you can’t hear it live here, I do have a few chant CDs, so I’ll never miss it.
 
What I remember of pre-Vatican II liturgies the chanting was minimal (like right at the consecration), most of the music was polyphonic in the parish I grew up in. I think one would be more likely to hear true 100% monophonic chanting in some monasteries and convents.

But I love Gregorian chant, Vatican II specified that the chant is to be the preferred music. That got blown right out of the water somehow.

I really feel that reintroducing real chant to the liturgy would be positive, whether Latin or vernacular.

The parish I am a member of chants everything including the Gospel readings and all of the prayers and antiphons, excepting the homily. It’s quite nice.

Michael
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Not necessarily chant but certainly most of all the hymns I heard as a child is Beth Niesen Chapman’s “Hymns”. Got it for Christmas. I don’t know anything about the lady 'cause I don’t listen to popular music. Not completely traditional but very nice nonetheless.
 
Hesychios: Lithographer, eh? Ever dabbled in manuscripts under your own hand? Merry Christmas!
 
As an old bird, I can say I love Gregorian Chant and I deeply appreciate all the progressive elements of the Church have done for its promotion.

What you say? That daffy woman is giving the heretical liberals credit for Gregorian?

Yes, dear ones. Gregorian Chnat had totally died out until the 19th century liturgical movement revivied it, and not without some contraversy and opposition by the conservatives.

And by the eve of the Council, it was progressive Catholic parishes that offered quality Gregorian Chnat Masses, while conservatives were mostly content with Low Masses, since they only went to Mass to pray their rosary and say their private prayers anyway.

The Council was certainly the death sentence for poorly done Chanted Masses. What is left are a few parishes that offer Gregorian Chant of a quality that few pre-Conciliar parishes had, and it is a treasure.

I’m willing to estimate that about a quarter of the people attending Gregorian Chant Massess do so at Tridentine or traditionalist parishes and 3/4ths do so at progressive or liberal parishes. teh truth is that a good Gregorian Choir or Scola requires an active, engaged parish community. It hard to pull off in a parish led by a clericalist pastor. it needs a parish with the virtues liberals desire so earnestly – active and engaged sense of commmunity, lay participation in parish life, and a connection between pastor and people.
 
Thanks Katherine2,
I appreciate that interesting aspect that I didn’t know.
Dominus vobiscum 👍
 
Yes I do, I am young and born after Vatican II, but this guitar garbage and other things that go in in Mass are a travesty. Disco Masses, Polka Masses, Rock Mass, but it seems that anything sacred or Traditional has been thrown away…

I call for the Traditional Mass to be fully reinstated (with much in the vernacular) with the sections that must be in Latin as called for in the Council of Trent, and the singing in Latin, and the rest can be in the vernacular.

Nothing more beautiful than attending a High Mass, wonderful experience that makes my family and I not want to go near a Novus Ordo Mass again, and I think it is for that reason that many Bishops dont want to allow the Indult Mass, as here in the Diocese of Rockville Centre in New York with over 1.5M Catholics, and probabaly over 100 churches, they will NOT allow not even ONE indult Mass even with petitions and all.

Maybe many on this board can help by going to the website also for me at www.drvc.org and sending our Bishop an e-mail

God bless!
 
jtnova:
Nothing more beautiful than attending a High Mass, wonderful experience that makes my family and I not want to go near a Novus Ordo Mass again, and I think it is for that reason that many Bishops dont want to allow the Indult Mass, as here in the Diocese of Rockville Centre in New York with over 1.5M Catholics, and probabaly over 100 churches, they will NOT allow not even ONE indult Mass even with petitions and all.

Maybe many on this board can help by going to the website also for me at www.drvc.org and sending our Bishop an e-mail

God bless!
Dear jtnova,

Since you have not a single Indult Mass in your diocese and you write of your experience at the Tridentine Mass, can I assume your familiarity with it comes from your association with schismatic groups?
 
I have a couple of Chanticleer’s CD’s at my office, and listen to them regularly as I work. They relax me and keep the Lord in my thoughts all during the day.

I have also taped a few music presentations off of EWTN by choirs that are equally, if not more, beautiful. They are similar to the chants but include some instrumentation and children and women’s voices, as well. Very pretty.

Great thread!

Michael
 
well there is one good site for Chant cds -

www.chantcd.com

They have some good benediction hymns, mass propers, etc. I listen to them all the time!

It is really hard to find good Chant sometimes… even the Solesmes monks mispronounce some consonants (being French) - but these seminarians were taught the right way to pronounce Latin 😉
 
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katherine2:
As an old bird, I can say I love Gregorian Chant and I deeply appreciate all the progressive elements of the Church have done for its promotion.

What you say? That daffy woman is giving the heretical liberals credit for Gregorian?

Yes, dear ones. Gregorian Chnat had totally died out until the 19th century liturgical movement revivied it, and not without some contraversy and opposition by the conservatives.

And by the eve of the Council, it was progressive Catholic parishes that offered quality Gregorian Chnat Masses, while conservatives were mostly content with Low Masses, since they only went to Mass to pray their rosary and say their private prayers anyway.

The Council was certainly the death sentence for poorly done Chanted Masses. What is left are a few parishes that offer Gregorian Chant of a quality that few pre-Conciliar parishes had, and it is a treasure.

I’m willing to estimate that about a quarter of the people attending Gregorian Chant Massess do so at Tridentine or traditionalist parishes and 3/4ths do so at progressive or liberal parishes. teh truth is that a good Gregorian Choir or Scola requires an active, engaged parish community. It hard to pull off in a parish led by a clericalist pastor. it needs a parish with the virtues liberals desire so earnestly – active and engaged sense of commmunity, lay participation in parish life, and a connection between pastor and people.
It’s a shame, really, that these terms (‘progressive’, ‘liberal’, etc) are flung around so freely. The pre-VII liturgical movement was certainly ‘progressive’; but the enormous majority of people active in it were not liberals in the main way that the word is used today - ie, denying or ignoring the supernatural. Cardinal Newman was excellent on this: he was very ‘progressive’ (and got into trouble with part of the hierarchy at times because of it): but on his reception of the cardinal’s hat, his speech pointed out that all his life, his main motivation was to fight against ‘liberalism’, the discarding of the supernatural.

Modern ‘liberals’ (or whatever term one uses) largely believe in a sort of deist universe, where the miraculous is either impossible or irrelevant.

Sue
 
Grew up with the current rite. Found a parish where the Traditional rite was offered. Fell in love with it instantly. I have since moved and I miss it - chant and all - terribly. The priest at the other parish retired and the bishop refused to let others volunteering to continue to offer it do so. Makes me cry.
 
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katherine2:
conservatives were mostly content with Low Masses, since they only went to Mass to pray their rosary and say their private prayers anyway.
My how freely you judge the hearts and minds of others. Strange how it was in the writings of the so-called conservatives that you find the most ardent complaints about the extensive changes to the Mass; including the virtual elimination of chant.
 
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theMutant:
Grew up with the current rite. Found a parish where the Traditional rite was offered. Fell in love with it instantly. I have since moved and I miss it - chant and all - terribly. The priest at the other parish retired and the bishop refused to let others volunteering to continue to offer it do so. Makes me cry.
Where in Seattle do you go now??
 
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jlw:
Where in Seattle do you go now??
I live in Tacoma. There is one Traditional Latin Mass up in Seattle (I think its in the chapel of a hotel?) but I cannot make it.
 
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EddieArent:
The TLM will be a pain for the Bishop to plan out though since none of our churches have high altars among other things.
How high is a “high” altar? :confused:
 
I’m refering to the traditional altars that were usually near a wall. They have been replaced by table like altars and later “wreckovated” by either the pastor or bishop.

BTW, emusic.com has an offer we get like 40 free downloads as a trial. It’s a pay service like Napster. I downloaded all Gregorian chant songs and they are great. I’m probably going to purchase a subscription because I keep finding great music. Though be warned, they go by song numbers, not time or minutes. So, some chants I have are 12 minutes long, other 49 seconds and they count as one song each since they are seperate files.
 
I don’t miss chant because my kids sing it all of the time. I’ve got a soprano and an alto and I’m hoping my son will someday be able to fill one of the other parts! Besides that my Pauline Mass has chant. Good stuff.
 
Church Militant:
Hi All!

I’ve been wishing I could at least listen to chant again, having grown up with the Latin Mass. Anyway I found this site that will play it for you and thought I would share it with you.

198.62.75.1/www2/cantgreg/index_eng.html
I don’t miss chant we have it every Sunday at high mass.
But here is a link for some wonderful chant by the seminarians at St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary…scroll down to chant.
stas.org/archives/
 
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