Do you place as much emphasis on His Eucharist as you do the Bible?

[Reuben_J]

Can you see why I would be confused by your answers?

Yes, I can see now.

The last supper is the institution of the Eucharist, meaning we have to do it that way.

What does the Eucharist means? It is the sacrifice at Calvary at the cross, where Jesus was the sacrifice and after that his body eaten.

This was what Jesus trying to tell in the last supper. “Eat my body, drink my blood.”

He used bread and wine for that purpose, and after blessed them, they became his true body and blood.

But why do we have to eat his body and blood? It is because it is the sacrificial lamb being sacrificed on the cross.

Thus the last supper by it self without what it entails is not propitiatory. It is, only when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice.

During the last supper Jesus had not died yet but of course for him, he transcends time and space. More importantly, it is the command for us to do the Eucharist.

Why was it said that the Eucharist is thanksgiving and a celebration. It is thankful for Jesus who has given himself for our salvation and it is to be celebrated because it is a victory.

Jesus saves on the cross but what do you do from there? Go back home now and enjoy our salvation? No, it is not like that; without eating the sacrificial lamb, the ritual of the sacrifice is not finished yet.

Thus we still have to do the other part - partake the Eucharist which is commanded by Jesus, the partaking how, which he showed in the last supper.

 

[JonNC]

I’ll ask again:
Was the Last Supper propitiatory?
Is the wrath of God appeased at Communion?

I say “no”
what do you say?

If you don’t know, you can say that:
but I’m asking with all respect and sincerity, please don’t just ignore the questions.
thanks

Is the reading of the word propitiatory ?
Christ is the propitiation for our sins. It is Christ we receive at the altar in the sacrament. So, I’ll let you decide if His body and blood is the propitiation for our sins.

But that isn’t the question of the thread. The question is do we consider the sacrament worthy of the same emphasis as the word. And I say absolutely.

 

[Reuben_J]

Is the reading of the word propitiatory ?
Christ is the propitiation for our sins. It is Christ we receive at the altar in the sacrament. So, I’ll let you decide if His body and blood is the propitiation for our sins.

But that isn’t the question of the thread. The question is do we consider the sacrament worthy of the same emphasis as the word. And I say absolutely.

Well put, Jon. Thanks.

I just realize this is probably the first time that I have to use the word ‘propitiation’.

 

[alwayswill]

Is the reading of the word propitiatory ?
Christ is the propitiation for our sins. It is Christ we receive at the altar in the sacrament. So, I’ll let you decide if His body and blood is the propitiation for our sins.

But that isn’t the question of the thread. The question is do we consider the sacrament worthy of the same emphasis as the word. And I say absolutely.

to the question of the tread: I say no:

Regarding the written word:

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
and
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life

Regarding the Last Supper:
As I see it : if it is not propitiatory then neither are future Masses:
If it is propitiatory then the Christ’s work Cross is diminished.

Back to the OP: that is why I and others, place more emphasis on the Scriptures than on Communion.
Scripture leads to belief; belief leads to Eternal live.

That does not mean that I do not value Communion

 

[Duane1966]

to the question of the tread: I say no:

Regarding the written word:

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
and
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life

Regarding the Last Supper:
As I see it : if it is not propitiatory then neither are future Masses:
If it is propitiatory then the Christ’s work Cross is diminished.

Back to the OP: that is why I and others, place more emphasis on the Scriptures than on Communion.
Scripture leads to belief; belief leads to Eternal live.

That does not mean that I do not value Communion

You are saying the Eucharist is the Last Supper, but It’s not. The Eucharist is The Last Supper through The Resurrection, so yes since the Cross is part of that timeline, It is propitiatory.

If you listen to Hahn’s the fourth cup, it explains in great detail the relationship between the Passover, the events of Holy Thursday through Easter, and the relationship to the Mass.

 

[alwayswill]

You are saying the Eucharist is the Last Supper, but It’s not. The Eucharist is The Last Supper through The Resurrection, so yes since the Cross is part of that timeline, It is propitiatory.

If you listen to Hahn’s the fourth cup, it explains in great detail the relationship between the Passover, the events of Holy Thursday through Easter, and the relationship to the Mass.

                	**The Holy Eucharist**

Lesson 26 from the *Baltimore Cathechism*


**343. What is the Holy Eucharist?**

The Holy Eucharist is a sacrament and a sacrifice. In the Holy  Eucharist, under the appearances of bread and wine, the Lord Christ is  contained, offered, and received.
*I am the living bread that has come down from heaven. If anyone eat of this bread he shall live forever. (John 6:51-52)*
**344. When did Christ institute the Holy Eucharist?**

Christ instituted the Holy Eucharist at the Last Supper, the night before He died.
*And having taken bread, he gave thanks and broke it, and gave it  to them, saying, "This is my body, which is being given for you; do  this in remembrance of me." In like manner he took also the cup after  the supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which  shall be shed for you." (Luke 22:19-20)*
**345. Who were present when Our Lord instituted the Holy Eucharist?**

When Our Lord instituted the Holy Eucharist the apostles were present.
*Now when the evening arrived, he came with the Twelve. (Mark 14:17)*
**346. How did Christ institute the Holy Eucharist?**

Christ instituted the Holy Eucharist in this way: He took bread,  blessed and broke it, and giving it to His apostles, said: "Take and  eat; this is My body"; then He took a cup of wine, blessed it, and  giving it to them, said: "All of you drink of this; for this is My blood  of the new covenant which is being shed for many unto the forgiveness  of sins"; finally, He gave His apostles the commission: "Do this in  remembrance of Me."
*And having taken bread, he gave thanks and broke it, and gave it  to them, saying, "This is my body, which is being given for you; do  this in remembrance of me." In like manner he took also the cup after  the supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which  shall be shed for you." (Luke 22:19-20)*
**347. What happened when Our Lord said: "This is My body . . . this is My blood"?**

When Our Lord said, "This is My body," the entire substance of the  bread was changed into His body; and when He said, "This is My blood,"  the entire substance of the wine was changed into His blood.

 

[rcwitness]

to the question of the tread: I say no:

Thanks for participating alwayswill!

Regarding the written word:

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
and
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life

And now you believe!

Regarding the Last Supper:
As I see it : if it is not propitiatory then neither are future Masses:
If it is propitiatory then the Christ’s work Cross is diminished.

You have been explained several times by several posters (and Scripture as well!) that the sacrifice of the Mass (Lord’s Supper) is the same Lamb that was slain on the cross. You are creating a false argument.

Back to the OP: that is why I and others, place more emphasis on the Scriptures than on Communion.
Scripture leads to belief; belief leads to Eternal live.

So now you believe…

That does not mean that I do not value Communion

Why do you value Communion?

 

[Reuben_J]

to the question of the tread: I say no:

Regarding the written word:

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
and
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life

I know you are replying to Jon, but I just want to ask you: What do you have to do to believe? Do you have to do something or no need, just saying that you believe, and you are saved?

Regarding the Last Supper:
As I see it : if it is not propitiatory then neither are future Masses:
If it is propitiatory then the Christ’s work Cross is diminished.

Again you say the Last Supper, not Calvary or cross.

You are entitled to your belief, but the mass is the cross. It is what happens at the cross. How could it diminish it while in fact, even at the very fact alone not to say that Jesus asked us to do it – the eating and the drinking of his body and blood, it is to emphasize the cross in our life?

It is like why do you worship or pray? Why do you pray tomorrow and that day after that, and the day after, and after that, and not just today? Why do you read the Bible?

I am just wondering about sola scriptura practicing Christians. The Eucharist is scriptural and Jesus asked us to do it. Why don’t you do what Jesus asked?

Quite confusing there.

 

[Duane1966]

The Holy Eucharist

Lesson 26 from the *Baltimore Cathechism*


**343. .**From the article I linked to earlier.

First, one must not separate the sacrifice of our Lord on the cross from the events which surround it. The sacrifice of our Lord is inseparably linked to the Last Supper. Here Jesus took bread and wine. Looking to St. Matthew’s text (26:26ff), He said over the bread, “Take this and eat it. This is My body”; and over the cup of wine, “This is My blood, the blood of the covenant, to be poured out on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.”

The next day, on Good Friday, our Lord’s body hung on the altar of the cross and His precious blood was spilt to wash away our sins and seal the everlasting, perfect covenant. The divine life our Lord offered and shared for our salvation in the sacrifice of Good Friday is the same offered and shared at the Last Supper. The Last Supper, the sacrifice of Good Friday and the Resurrection on Easter form one saving event.

Second, one must have a nuanced understanding of time. One must distinguish chronological time from kairotic time, as found in sacred Scripture. In the Bible, refers to chronological time—past, present and future—specific deeds which have an end point. , or kairotic time, refers to God’s eternal time, time of the present moment which recapitulates the entire past as well as contains the entire future. Therefore, while our Lord’s saving event occurred chronologically around the year AD 30-33, in the kairotic sense of time it is an ever-present reality which touches our lives here and now. In the same sense, this is why through baptism we share now in the mystery of Christ’s passion, death and resurrection, a chronological event that happened almost 1,965 years ago, but is still efficacious for us today.

With this in mind, we also remember that our Lord commanded, as recorded in the Gospel of St. Luke (22:14ff) and St. Paul’s First Letter to the Corinthians (11:23ff), “Do this in remembrance of Me.” Clearly our Lord wanted the faithful to repeat, to participate in and to share in this sacramental mystery. The Last Supper, which is inseparably linked to Good Friday (and the Resurrection), is perpetuated in the holy Mass for time eternal.

The Mass therefore is a memorial. In each of the Eucharistic prayers, the , or memorial, follows the consecration, whereby we call to mind the passion, death, resurrection and ascension of our Lord. However, this memorial is not simply a recollection of past history in chronological time, but rather a liturgical proclamation of living history, of an event that continues to live and touch our lives now in that sense of kairotic time.

Just as good orthodox Jews truly live the Passover event when celebrating the Passover liturgy, plunging themselves into an event which occurred about 1,200 years before our Lord, we too live Christ’s saving event in celebrating the Mass. The sacrifice which Christ made for our salvation remains an ever-present reality: “As often as the sacrifice of the cross by which ‘Christ our Pasch is sacrificed’ is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out” (“Lumen Gentium,” No. 3). Therefore, the , “The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is a memorial and because it applies its fruit” (No. 1366).

Therefore, the actual sacrifice of Christ on the cross and the sacrifice of the Mass are inseparably united as one single sacrifice. The Council of Trent in response to Protestant objections decreed, “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered Himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different,” and “In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered Himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner.” For this reason, just as Christ washed away our sins with his blood on the altar of the cross, the sacrifice of the Mass is also truly propitiatory. The Lord grants grace and the gift of repentance. He pardons wrong-doings and sins. (cf. Council of Trent, “Doctrine on the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass”)

 

[alwayswill]

Thanks for participating alwayswill!

…

Why do you value Communion?

Because I value fellowship (1 Corinthians 10:16 “koinōnia”) with my Lord and Savior
When I enter into the proper mindset I am very aware of Christ in me and I in Christ

(Now this my not be the proper phase) but the “quality” of the presence of Christ changes.
Yes: Christ in omnipresent, but that is different than telling His disciples He will be with them until the end of the age: which is different than He is present when 2 or 3 are gather in His name. which is different than Communion.

It is a blessing
It is a means of Grace

Because I am prone to forget: and it reminds me of Christ’s sacrificial work on the Cross
It exalts Christ and humbles me

 

[Reuben_J]

Because I am prone to forget: and it reminds me of Christ’s sacrificial work on the Cross
It exalts Christ and humbles me

Exactly.

Sister Bridge Mackenna, a Catholic nun and a writer, once said that **man prone to forget **thus the sacrifice on the cross have to presented again and again,and again; in the Eucharist.

It seems with all your logic, the Eucharist seems to be more and more needed than ever. What’s left probably is just pride to refuse it because it is not part of the belief system.

 

[LatinRight]

I would like to receive Holy Communion in the mass and would do everything possible to make that happens but my bottom line would be to attend the mass, whether receiving or not.

If I don’t receive Holy Communion, it does not make my attendance in the mass any less, believing the word that we say in the liturgy of the Eucharist, “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof but just say the word and my soul is healed.”

IMO, we can have a devotion to the Eucharist but not the Bible. I mean devotion in term of worship practice. We do not worship the Bible.

However, we should be proficient in the Bible, knowing its content and live by/according to them. We only can do that if the word of God that we hear in the Eucharist is to be really internalized.

Also, that we be fully aware that we have received the Body of the Lord, knowing now that we are one physically with Jesus, we go out into the world to serve and love Him.

Having received the Body of the Lord nourishes us, and his word gives us wisdom.

Therefore to me, both are complimentary in the life of a Christian and thus are needed; they are not at the expense of the other.

God bless Reuben J,

**CATHOLIC SENSIBILITY, DEI VERBUM 21

Quote: The Church has always VENERATED the divine Scriptures JUST AS she

VENERATED the body of the Lord, since, especially in the sacred liturgy, she unceasingly

receives and offers to the faithful THE BREAD OF LIFE from the table of BOTH of GOD’S

WORD and of CHRIST’S BODY.

For in the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven meets His children with great love

and speaks with them; and THE FORCE AND POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD IS SO

GREAT THAT IT IS STANDS AS THE SUPPORT AND ENERGY OF THE CHURCH,

THE STRINGS OF FAITH for Her (children), THE FOOD OF THE SOUL, THE PURE

AND EVERLASTING SOURCE OF SPIRITUAL LIFE.

“For the WORD OF GOD IS LIVING AND ACTIVE” (Hebr.4:12) and it HAS THE POWER

TO BUILD YOU UP and give you your heritage among all those who are sanctified. (Acts 20:32) End quote.

THE CATHOLIC CHURC UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE by Fr. John Harden SJ.

Quote: “The Scriptures are holy because their main author is the all-holy God. But they

are also holy because they are able to sanctify those who READ the Bible as NO OTHER

LITERATURE in the world is capable of doing.

St. Thomas does not hesitate to speak of the Scriptures as a KIND OF SACRAMENT.

SIMULAR to what happens when we receive BAPTISM or the EUCHARIST.

The same Holy Spirit who first inspired the Bible CONTINUES TO ENLIGHTEN those who

now READ the Bible .” End quote.

[CCC 108]; Still, the Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.”

Christianity is a religion of the “Word” of God, “not a written and mute word, but incarnate and living.”

If the Scriptures are not remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God,

must, through the Holy Spirit, “open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures.” End quote.

THE LAMB’S SUPPER by Scott Hahn Page 48

Quote: One of the great Scripture scholars of the early church, Origen (third century), urged

Christians TO RESPECT CHRIST’S PRESENTS IN THE GOSPEL as they RESPECT

HIS PRESENCE IN THE HOST.

“You who are accustomed to take part in the divine mysteries know, when you receive the

body of the Lord, how you protect it with all caution and veneration lest any small part fall

from it, lest anything of the consecrated gift be lost.

For you believe, and correctly, that you are answerable if anything falls from there by neglect.

But if you are so careful to preserve His body, and rightly so, HOW DO YOU THINK THAT

THERE IS LESS GUILT TO HAVE NEGLECTED GOD’S WORD THAT TO HAVE

NEGLECTED HIS BODY?” End quote.

God bless

LatinRight.**

 

[rcwitness]

Because I value fellowship (1 Corinthians 10:16 “koinōnia”) with my Lord and Savior
When I enter into the proper mindset I am very aware of Christ in me and I in Christ

ok, so you do agree that Communion is “a fellowship” with Jesus! We have fellowship with God because Jesus suffered His passion unto death. That’s a way to express Communion, I think. Moreover, it’s a participation in the actual sacrifice that made our fellowship possible!

(Now this my not be the proper phase) but the “quality” of the presence of Christ changes.
Yes: Christ in omnipresent, but that is different than telling His disciples He will be with them until the end of the age: which is different than He is present when 2 or 3 are gather in His name. which is different than Communion.

It is a blessing
It is a means of Grace

Because I am prone to forget: and it reminds me of Christ’s sacrificial work on the Cross
It exalts Christ and humbles me

So Communion DOES impart grace? That’s good you believe that.

 

[Duane1966]

From the CCC:

EUCHARIST - SOURCE AND SUMMIT OF ECCLESIAL LIFE

1324 The Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life."136 "The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch."137

1325 "The Eucharist is the efficacious sign and sublime cause of that communion in the divine life and that unity of the People of God by which the Church is kept in being. It is the culmination both of God’s action sanctifying the world in Christ and of the worship men offer to Christ and through him to the Father in the Holy Spirit."138

1326 Finally, by the Eucharistic celebration we already unite ourselves with the heavenly liturgy and anticipate eternal life, when God will be all in all.139

1327 In brief, the Eucharist is the sum and summary of our faith: "Our way of thinking is attuned to the Eucharist, and the Eucharist in turn confirms our way of thinking."140

The Scriptures are a witness to Christ and the early life of the Church.

BUT AT THE HEART OF THE EUCHARISTIC CELEBRATION IS CHRIST PHYSICALLY PRESENT.

If not a word of the New Testament had ever been written, Catholics would still have the Eucharist.

Without the Eucharist, would there be no New Testament. In the early Church, the Eucharist was the New Testament.

 

[rcwitness]

From the CCC:

The Scriptures are a witness to Christ and the early life of the Church.

BUT AT THE HEART OF THE EUCHARISTIC CELEBRATION IS CHRIST PHYSICALLY PRESENT.

If not a word of the New Testament had ever been written, Catholics would still have the Eucharist.

Without the Eucharist, there would be no new covenant.

That’s true. Of course we are not without the blessing of Sacred Scripture… thanks be to God!

When we believe, whether from preaching, or reading Scripture, or both, we are being “drawn by the Father” (and the Bride) to come to Jesus.

John 5 (just before the bread of life discourse)
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 6

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.

And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Those who believed, remained with him until He suffered His cross, which gives the power of propitiation in His Eucharistic meal.
Believing does us no good if we don’t remain in Him. It is believing which compels us to come to Him. How can we stay with Him and not accept the gift of His Body and Blood? However, if we are not converted through faith, yet remain with the believers, we are like Judas, who betrays Jesus. Then we eat and drink condemnation on ourselves, instead of grace and forgiveness.

 

[Michael68]

That’s true. Of course we are not without the blessing of Sacred Scripture… thanks be to God!

When we believe, whether from preaching, or reading Scripture, or both, we are being “drawn by the Father” (and the Bride) to come to Jesus.

John 5 (just before the bread of life discourse)
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 6

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Every one who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me.

And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

Those who believed, remained with him until He suffered His cross, which gives the power of propitiation in His Eucharistic meal.
Believing does us no good if we don’t remain in Him. It is believing which compels us to come to Him. How can we stay with Him and not accept the gift of His Body and Blood? However, if we are not converted through faith, yet remain with the believers, we are like Judas, who betrays Jesus. Then we eat and drink condemnation on ourselves, instead of grace and forgiveness.

Also, as we pray at Mass, for all those that God has summoned to be there!

 

[Herculees]

Its weird how Sola Scriptura people take the bible literally until they get to John 6. All of a sudden its symbolic! I don’t get it.

I always say to people who profess Sola Scriptura that they choose when to obey the pope and when they choose not to obey him, and they choose when to live in accordance with the Bible and when not to.

I then point to the fact that the Bible says we are to reserve the sabaath to worship our Lord. I point out that Saturday is the sabaath NOT Sunday. They worship on Sunday because the Pope proclaimed that we are to Worship God on Sunday as Sunday is the day Christ rose from the dead and are faith is nothing if God never rose.

Herculees

 

[Michael68]

I always say to people who profess Sola Scriptura that they choose when to obey the pope and when they choose not to obey him, and they choose when to live in accordance with the Bible and when not to.

I then point to the fact that the Bible says we are to reserve the sabaath to worship our Lord. I point out that Saturday is the sabaath NOT Sunday. They worship on Sunday because the Pope proclaimed that we are to Worship God on Sunday as Sunday is the day Christ rose from the dead and are faith is nothing if God never rose.

Herculees

Yes sir, we are under the New Covenant!!!

 

[alwayswill]

I always say to people who profess Sola Scriptura that they choose when to obey the pope and when they choose not to obey him, and they choose when to live in accordance with the Bible and when not to.
…

What definition of Sola Scriptura are you using?

Try these definitions/ descriptions:

The first two are from Catholic sources: they work for me

**From Catholic.com
**“Even the principle of sola scriptura (“Scripture alone”), according to the sharpest Protestant scholars, means that the Bible is the ultimate authority—above councils and popes and any tradition—but not that no commentary or tradition may be cited or utilized.”
catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0402fea3.asp
Archived here: web.archive.org/web/201003300…4/0402fea3.asp

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**From NEWADVENT.org **Sola scriptura (“Bible alone”)

…" Protestantism, however, by no means despises or rejects church authority as such, but only subordinates it to, and measures its value by, the Bible, and believes in a progressive interpretation of the Bible through the expanding and deepening consciousness of Christendom. Hence, besides having its own symbols or standards of public doctrine, it retained all the articles of the ancient creeds and a large amount of disciplinary and ritual tradition, and rejected only those doctrines and ceremonies for which no clear warrant was found in the Bible and which seemed to contradict its letter or spirit. …"

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First of all, it is not a claim that the Bible contains all knowledge. The Bible is not exhaustive in every detail. John 21:25 speaks to the fact that there are many things that Jesus said and did that are not recorded in John, or in fact in any book in the world because the whole books of the world could not contain it. But the Bible does not have to be exhaustive to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church. We do not need to know the color of Thomas’ eyes. We do not need to know the menu of each meal of the Apostolic band for the Scriptures to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church.
**
Secondly, it is not a denial of the Church’s authority to teach God’s truth.** I Timothy 3:15 describes the Church as “the pillar and foundation of the truth.” The truth is in Jesus Christ and in His Word. The Church teaches truth and calls men to Christ and, in so doing, functions as the pillar and foundation thereof. The Church does not add revelation or rule over Scripture. The Church being the bride of Christ, listens to the Word of Christ, which is found in God-breathed Scripture.

Thirdly,** it is not a denial that God’s Word has been spoken.** Apostolic preaching was authoritative in and of itself. Yet, the Apostles proved their message from Scripture, as we see in Acts 17:2, and 18:28, and John commended those in Ephesus for testing those who claimed to be Apostles, Revelation 2:2. The Apostles were not afraid to demonstrate the consistency between their teaching and the Old Testament.

And, finally, sola scriptura** is not a denial of the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and enlightening the Church.**
-James White—

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Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, “by Scripture alone”) is the Protestant Christian doctrine that the Bible is the supreme authority in all matters of doctrine and practice. Sola scriptura does not deny that other authorities govern Christian life and devotion, but sees them all as subordinate to and corrected by the written word of God.

Sola scriptura, however**, does not ignore Christian history and tradition when seeking to understand the Bible.** Rather, it sees the Bible as the only final authority in matters of faith and practice.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

 

[Michael68]

Post #139 Is how we would like to see it! Reality is much different. I don’t know any Sola Scriptura protestants that accept any of this. They are usually their own popes