Do you pray in a Protestant Mass?

[DeniseNY]

I haven’t, but I would. I have two very dear friends who are Protestant ministers and I met them through Facebook support groups for people who either themselves have melanoma or have a family member with it (my mother had it) I didn’t seek them out for religious purposes , but our paths crossed due to having something horrible in common. They were both so very kind to me. I was honored to pray with and for them “online” and I would be just as honored to do so in person.

 

[Pup7]

I haven’t, but I would. I have two very dear friends who are Protestant ministers and I met them through Facebook support groups for people who are either themselves have melanoma or have a family member with it (my mother had it) r had it, and both of these people were so very kind to me. I didn’t seek them out for religious purposes , but our paths crossed due to having something horrible in common. They were both so very kind to me. I was honored to pray with and for them “online” and I would be just as honored to do so in person.

Of course you would go. Anyone with any sort of decorum and respect would go, and any friend of yours would know you are not Protestant and respect your actions.

 

[semper_catholicus]

I was never trying to get “into that beeswax,” because I didn’t even know that.

I’m not sure I’m understanding this correctly. Were you Catholic when you married this Anglican?

 

[Pup7]

Nope. Methodist. I converted.

So I will edit my last comment, as is fair.

I’ve been as in and out of Catholic funerals and weddings and christenings in my life as I have Protestants. Not one soul has ever said “you can’t be here”.

 

[semper_catholicus]

Oh okay. It’s sort of a different case if you weren’t Catholic when you married a non-Catholic.

 

[Pup7]

Really?

Again…my parents. You would be incorrect. And they were married prior to Vatican II.

No, I don’t know the details…that was 1954, a bit before my time LOL.

There is no worshipping going on at a Protestant funeral (most of them)…it’s a memorial service. Bowing your head in silent prayer is hardly an act of heresy.

 

[semper_catholicus]

True, for marriages a dispensation can be given, but it isn’t the norm (although it may seem that way nowadays.)

 

[Pup7]

Were you alive in 1954? Because I certainly wasn’t.

Back to the thread.

 

[Reuben_J]

semper_catholicus:

“If any ecclesiastic or layman shall go into the synagogue of the Jews or to the meeting-houses of the heretics to join in prayer with them, let them be deposed and deprived of communion. If any bishop or priest or deacon shall join in prayer with heretics, let him be suspended from communion.” II Council of Constantinople

Ok, I am going to take this to mean that you do not accept Vatican II, the current Catechism, and possibly none of the Popes since Vat. 2

This statement was made prior to the Protestant Reformation. Since that time, the Church has had to learn to provide pastoral guidance to the faithful with regard to those who do not meet the criteria used at the II Council of Constantople to define “heretics” .

But your responses lead me to wonder what brings you here to CAF, since the site is obviously a ministry which espouses an era of the Church that you do not?

He holds an archaic view of Catholicism, obviously pre-Vatican II. I know he has something in his sleeves when he said that we should not pray in other churches. And he quoted previous Pope and Council to support his assertion.

I think he is enjoying it, throwing those views against our current practices.

 

[semper_catholicus]

Just as a lot of people on CAF use post Vatican II docs to support their positions.

 

[Wannano]

I hope you become Catholic one if these days. Feel free to message me on why your not Catholic. I’d be happy to hear your reasoning.
I believe protestant and Catholic religions are different but that in general there is nothing wrong with a protestant service. My Catholic church actually arized a protestant service as “a meeting of christians”. Keep in mind they didn’t say it was sacred, that the eucharist was necessarily there, that aass took place, but nothing wrong with a meeting of christians. Just make sure to go to mass afterwards.

I am interested in why you have singled me out with your inquiry? I have actually thought to myself that I should list any reasons why I would have difficulty becoming Catholic. I have just read through the past 30 or so posts and now I think I may have discovered one more reason! But maybe it is just a phantom of my imagination…whatever that means!

I can only imagine!

 

[Pup7]

Like the CCC? Seriously.

I’m only just learning, but I believe there’s been much discussion about how new things supersede (and yes I know there are proper terms, but bear with me) much of the older things? And that the newer things apply in specific cases?

 

[semper_catholicus]

That isn’t the only approved Catechism of the Church. There’s the Catechism of the Council of Trent for example, which a lot of trads use.

 

[Pup7]

What is the officially endorsed and current catechism per the Vatican? Right now, in 2018? Under Pope Francis?

 

[FrancisPio]

Wow, touchy. I “singled you out” because I thought you would be passionate about your faith. I wouldn’t mind talking to others about mine.

 

[guanophore]

Constantinople is an Ecumenical Council, like Vatican II.

Of course, but it occurred prior to the Protestant Reformation.

I don’t appreciate having my father branded a heretic.

I appreciate your position, but we may be dealing with sedavacantism here.

You don’t accept a statement from Constantinople II?

Of course I do. I accept all the conciliar documents from the first Council of Jerusalem documented in Acts until the present day. But I also understand them within their context. For example, Gentiles are no longer bound to refrain from eating blood or avoiding strangled animals.

People on CAF are always insisting that I MUST adhere to ALL of Vatican II all the time. Interesting.

Only if you are Catholic and in communion with the successor of Peter, which you may not be.

Depending on who you ask, that may or may not be a precept of the Church anymore.

And is this not the point? You seem to be espousing laws of the Church that are currently outdated!

So what’s your point?

It seems to me that at least one “point” is that the Church’s management of interaction of the faithful with non-Catholics has changed since Vat. ii and this situation is being found unacceptable. This would not be the first poster here to to deny the validity of anything after Vat. 2.

I was never trying to get “into that beeswax,”

Actually you seem to have brought your own supply of “that beeswax” that causes conflicts between Christians.

Were you Catholic when you married this Anglican?

How is this related to the thread topic?

Not one soul has ever said “you can’t be here”.

From reading the posts, a person with this attitude would not be caught dead in such a situation, so there would be no people of this ilk to tell you “you can’t be here!”

. It’s sort of a different case if you weren’t Catholic when you married a non-Catholic.

It is a different sort of case if you are following expired canon laws also.

 

[guanophore]

Just as a lot of people on CAF use post Vatican II docs to support their positions.

Which again begs the question. What brings you to a forum that is “post Vatican II”?

I have just read through the past 30 or so posts and now I think I may have discovered one more reason!

I hope you will not make such a decision based on a minority of schismatic attitudes! You would be hard put to find any Catholics in a local parish that have these attitudes.

That isn’t the only approved Catechism of the Church. There’s the Catechism of the Council of Trent for example, which a lot of trads use.

Yes, but you seem unable to demonstrate where the attitudes expressed on this thread are consistent with the current catechism. Why might that be, I wonder?

 

[Pup7]

From reading the posts, a person with this attitude would not be caught dead in such a situation, so there would be no people of this ilk to tell you “you can’t be here!”

Meaning me as a Protestant at a Catholic event, which happened a lot in my family. We were the invaders at least half the time. (I’m chuckling, for the record.)

Yes, but you seem unable to demonstrate where the attitudes expressed on this thread are consistent with the current catechism. Why might that be, I wonder?

Waiting for the answer to this…and my last question to that poster.

 

[Canvas]

The 2nd Council of Constantinople was in 553 AD. They are discussing a heresy you probably have never even heard of, Nestorianism. Also there was a condemnation of Origenism. This was almost 1000 years before Martin Luther and was hundreds of years before the Great Schism between the Western Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Communions. It is one of 7 Councils recognized by both.

 

[semper_catholicus]

Just as a lot of people on CAF use post Vatican II docs to support their positions.

Which again begs the question. What brings you to a forum that is “post Vatican II”?

Am I not allowed to be? Have you forgotten that there is a Traditional Catholicism section on CAF?