Do you pray in a Protestant Mass?

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SnowRose said:
Define mass, please.
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Have to listen to the context to know what “mass” means.

The OP was using the term “mass” in a generic form to indicate a religious service of any kind in a church- most often a funeral- regardless of the religious body.

I’ve attend the “mass” for Protestant folks I have known who have passed. Its a colloquialism, just part of our language particularly in areas like this when Catholics dominate
 
I think Snowrose is Lutheran - and they do believe in the Real Presence as far as I know. Some Episcopalians/High Anglicans do as well.

Mainline Protestants away from them don’t.
 
Pup7 said:
I think Snowrose is Lutheran - and they do believe in the Real Presence as far as I know. Some Episcopalians/High Anglicans do as well.

Mainline Protestants away from them don’t.
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I realize that they believe in a form of the Real Presence. What I am stating is that they are not able to consecrate the Host unless of course they have an ex-Catholic priest in their midst. This Priest would be able to consecrate the host albeit illicitly. None of these Ecclesial communities have a valid apostolic ties to the church.
 
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SnowRose:
Sliding you a java of your preference along the table
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Helps clean up spilled java on said table
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I appreciate the help. I have always been a bit clumsy! (Bull and a China shop come to mind)
 
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Pup7 said:
Kristaok, are you trying to get banned?

Because that’s how you get banned.
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Ignore his posts and do not reply to people like this. He lies and perverts the truth of the issue of the clergy Abuse scandal. We should pray for him!
 
Pup7 said:
That’s a she, and she and I had words last night.
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Well that must have been a pleasant waste of time. I always find it is better to ignore these people because nothing good comes from these conversations. It is better to pray that there hearts are softened and that they open themselves to the HS.
 
As she went after me, response was fair.

I had nothing but time to waste, although you are 100% correct in what you say.

I can’t sit back and see my newfound faith and the lifelong faith of my beloved father be smeared.
 
Pup7 said:
As she went after me, response was fair.

I had nothing but time to waste, although you are 100% correct in what you say.

I can’t sit back and see my newfound faith and the lifelong faith of my beloved father be smeared.
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I understand, I find it better to talk around them so as to leave them out of the conversation. They will scream and rant while you make others aware of the truth. Never directly engaging with them. Childish behavior like hers will be swiftly banned and she can try being more respectful in the future. She is more than likely already banned and can’t repond evenif she wanted to.

I pray she comes to terms with her uneducated hatred of the body of Christ. That she allows the harm that was inflicted on her to be soothed by the blood of Christ. So that her eyes and heart may be opened to the truth of the very real abuse scandal perpetrated by a small number of our priests.
 
Lutherans believe in consubstantiation. Catholics believe in transubstantiation.
 
lilypadrees said:
Lutherans believe in consubstantiation. Catholics believe in transubstantiation.
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To be more accurate, the Lutheran Church believes in consubstantiation and the Catholic Church believes in transubstantiation.
 
Actually what I’ve read is they don’t claim either - they claim “sacramental union” which really isn’t either.
 
I’ve seen Lutherans (or former Lutherans) on this board differ with that assertion.
 
Not something I read Pup7. I spoke directly to Lutherans who said they and the members of their church (the Lutheran church) believe in consubstantiation.
 
Which might suggest, given what I’ve seen here, that Lutherans, while not rivaling Anglicans, have their own degree of motleydom.
 
lilypadrees said:
Lutherans believe in consubstantiation. Catholics believe in transubstantiation.
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Augustinian said:
To be more accurate, the Lutheran Church believes in consubstantiation and the Catholic Church believes in transubstantiation.
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Ugh. No, Lutherans do not and never have believed in Consubstantiation. Lutherans believe in Sacramental Union. Totally different.

See THIS POST for more information. For a brief rundown:
  • Transubstantiation holds that the entire “substance” of the bread and wine is changed into Christ’s Body and Blood, until only the “accidents” of bread (taste, consistency, color, etc.) remain.
  • Consubstantiation reasons that the bread and the wine and the Body and the Blood are united in some way that, more or less, creates some new, third substance. I don’t know of a single sect today that actually believes in Consubstantiation, though even some Lutherans have been duped into using the term by Calvinists (who originally made up the term to confuse Lutherans into adopting Calvin’s view) Luckily, even when Lutherans get duped into using the word, they don’t usually adopt the beliefs behind it, thank God! Consubstantiation has been explained as:
    • As an actual creation of a new, third substance
    • As impanation - where the substances don’t change, but Christ’s presence is substantially stored in the substance of the bread and wine
    • As incorporation - where the substances don’t change, but Christ’s presence is mingled into the substance of the bread and wine
    • In countless other messy, over-thought interminglings of the “substances” and “accidents” in an array of almost comical combinations.
  • Sacramental Union, which Lutherans actually believe, does not attempt to reason out the miracle of the Sacrament of the Altar. It simply trusts in the mystery of Christ’s Words; that He does what He says He does. That He truly, physically gives Himself for us for the forgiveness of sins in (and with and under and in every inadequate human way of understanding) the bread and the wine. Similar to the Orthodox.
 
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Then those Lutherans are quite confused. Even Luther and Chemnitz and the other early Lutherans fought the use of such terms with ferocity.

‘Consubstantiation’ was made up by Crypto-Calvinists who had secretly infiltrated Lutheran churches. They plotted (truly) to sow confusion among Lutheran academia by inventing silly terms that would be “cleared up” by Calvin’s mystical ‘Real Absence.’

If you need, I can provide you with a myriad of quotes from Lutheran theologians repudiating the silly doctrine of Consubstantiation.
 
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