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MonteRCMS
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The NRA does not give anywhere nearly as much money as anti-gun groups.
But, please, provide the actual numbers of members, dollars, etc.
But, please, provide the actual numbers of members, dollars, etc.
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I am not heavily into supporting the second amendment but I think your poster shows a very fair point. Of course those wishing to do their religion through the state cannot understand such independence. A million M16’s will stop the American army especially when many members of that same army will be standing with the rebels holding them and politicians dependent on votes and political stability will not risk trying to take them.
Those on the Left side of politics should read up on Hitler’s Socialists, Mussolini’s fascist socialists and the Russian socialists. There is a terrible evil on the left hand side of politics and while I am sympathetic to gun control the evil of Left wing government utopia’s are a fair reason for a populace to be armed.
Those on the Left side of politics should read up on Hitler’s Socialists, Mussolini’s fascist socialists and the Russian socialists. There is a terrible evil on the left hand side of politics and while I am sympathetic to gun control the evil of Left wing government utopia’s are a fair reason for a populace to be armed.
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No, it isn’t. Every financial supporter of PP supports abortion. Virtually no NRA member supports mass shootings or criminal shootings of any type.
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Look, two means that result in the same end are not equally virtuous or vile on that basis alone.
You can deny this fact if you want, but all that does is leave you unable to pass a sophomore-level philosophy course on Arisotlelian logic.
And since virtually all of the rest of the civilized world has some sort of universal healthcare scheme, I’m sure you have loads of examples of this insanity actually happening. Oh wait… there are none.
Your irrational boogey-men rear their heads yet again.
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As long as you occasionally speed on the highway (as I do most everyday), the government will never be able to “do it’s job” to 100% compliance. And as we’ve pointed out, the last time the ATF did a study on it, straw-buyers and crooked dealers (NOT theft) were the primary sources for criminals obtaining guns. How the heck does “the gubmint” stop THAT?Vonsalza:
On Sunday, a man with a long record of violence was able to buy firearms because the government failed to do its job.
There’s only one solution. You have to make these things harder to own. For everyone.
The notion that they should remain legal because they exemplify “good men” who stop the body count at 20 instead of 25 is another truly disgusting argument.
You have to make these things harder to own.
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$5,900,000 is a very small amount of money especially when spread among so many candidates.
Harvey Weinstein ALONE gave many many times that amount.
George Soros ALONE gave MANY MANY times that amount.
The former mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City gave MANY MANY times that amount.
Harvey Weinstein ALONE gave many many times that amount.
George Soros ALONE gave MANY MANY times that amount.
The former mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York City gave MANY MANY times that amount.
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what about the gun banners what have they contributed?MonteRCMS:
In the 2016 election the NRA gave $5,900,000. to Republican members of Congress. They gave $105,000 to Democrats.
i know politico has written bloomberg gave $65 million to those pushing gun control and the sugar tax.
$6M versus $65M, kind of pales in comparison
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he says one thing and the catechism says something else. which carries more weight; years of doctrine or a statement that may have been translated right or may not have?
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yes, there are examples. is there any data on exactly how many? i don’t know
one example:
a canadian i know was rushed to the hospital here in the states and needed emergency surgery. the doctors said without it he had a very short time to live. the canadian government refused the cost and told the man to come home. he did. he was scheduled for surgery beyond his life expectancy time. he was a former bigwig in local government and pulled some strings to get immediate surgery. he said the doctor performing the surgery said he would have died if the surgery wasn’t performed when it was.
now this story sounds like a man mad at his healthcare so i talked to a doctor and a nurse i know to see if they heard the same thing. they both confirmed that the canadian government routinely refuses health request and makes the patient come home.
as to the emergency of his case; obviously it is hearsay and can’t be verified.
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you didn’t answer the question:upant:
Yes, it’s always hard to follow the faith when it doesn’t fit your own political beliefs. I am sure you will feel better when Trump becomes pope. It will fit your agenda better.
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bloomberg’s donations gives him control.upant:
There’s a big difference between gun banners and gun control. But don’t let reason get in the way of your thinking. Isn’t it time to reload and listen to Rush.
he combined mayors against illegal guns’ and ‘moms demand action for gun sense in america’ to form everytown for gun safety. they are the face of gun control and he bankrolls the new group.
as to your last point . i am not a talk radio or tv fan and don’t follow any of them on the net. both sides are agenda driven.
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This won’t do. He’s saying that national systems deliberately euthanize people. This unambiguously requires citation. Not a story you heard one time from a buddy who read it in a paper while waiting on a train. No offense.Vonsalza:
yes, there are examples. is there any data on exactly how many? i don’t know
one example:
a canadian i know…
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Of course, a comparison of life expectancy rates more or less crushes this baseless accusation.
But nonetheless, if Jon’s going to make that vapid claim, then hopefully he’ll see the absurdity of it when he tries to stretch stories of hospice care to suit his indefensible point.
But nonetheless, if Jon’s going to make that vapid claim, then hopefully he’ll see the absurdity of it when he tries to stretch stories of hospice care to suit his indefensible point.
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deliberately euthanize people are your words.upant:
This won’t do. He’s saying that national systems deliberately euthanize people. This unambiguously requires citation. Not a story you heard one time from a buddy who read it in a paper while waiting on a train. No offense.Vonsalza:
yes, there are examples. is there any data on exactly how many? i don’t know
one example:
a canadian i know…
his issue was the wait time would have killed him.
we saw that here in the states with the va.
from huffingtonpost.ca:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bacchus-barua-/wait-times-canada_b_5505110.html
Congress did. 21 years ago they set up the NICS. Had government officials followed the law, did what they were supposed to do, it would not have happened, at least not as easily.JonNC:
Of course you do. Your donation to the NRA keeps Congress from doing something about these shootings.
Additionally, the fact is more is given to politicians by the anti-2nd crowd than the NRA. Clinton received more anti-2nd money than a Trump did NRA money.
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Not so fast. You don’t get to paraphrase for your ideological comrade. So lets look at his exact statement.
“Under government healthcare, the expensive old man who no longer adds value to the society is simply allowed to die by attrition.”
In his example, he cites the expense of caring for the man and he cites that the man dies “by attrition”.
Refusing care because it’s expensive is euthanasia if the care is reasonably demonstrated to work.
As an aside: If it’s not reasonably demonstrated to treat the disease, then insurance - both government and private alike - is not going to approve payment for the care, particularly if it’s expensive.
Neglect and deliberately refusing care on the basis of cost are not the same thing and shame on the liar that presents them as such.
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Jon… That’s not how PACs work. Not even close.
They don’t give money to the candidate, typically.
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does it matter that i don’t give it to the candidate if i spend it the same way she would have? the job gets done.JonNC:
Jon… That’s not how PACs work. Not even close.
They don’t give money to the candidate, typically.
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Spot on. It does an excellent job circumventing the campaign finance laws that are presently in place.Vonsalza:
does it matter that i don’t give it to the candidate if i spend it the same way she would have? the job gets done.JonNC:
Jon… That’s not how PACs work. Not even close.
They don’t give money to the candidate, typically.
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