Do you support the second amendment?

[JonNC]

I do support the Second Amendment but I have to say the pictures of that Las Vegas hotel room and the rifles and what not that guy had blew my mind. All of that is legal. Wow. Bloodchilling. Do we really need that kind of fire power to stop burglars, intruders, etc. I will just keep my mouth shut on this one. No comment. Especially Christians need to pray here too. My God.

Too late.

Obviously, he didn’t collect them for self defense, but self defense isn’t the primary purpose of the second amendment 's protection of the inherent individual right to arms. The majority opinion in District of Columbia vs Heller:
**The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. **
In other words, it is to defend a free state, not “the” state. And this responsibility falls on an armed citizenry.
It also says that this is not unlimited, that the 1934 restriction on automatic weapons is constitutional. And that’s why I believe bump stocks should fall under that act.
When the question is asked, “who needs an AR-15 for hunting?” The answer is, no one, but it’s not the point

 

[SuperLuigi]

Rather than train people how to kill, how about training people about the value of life and respect for life and the rights of others?

That’s what we have to do. But if you’re talking about the USA----just look at what is going on. We now have a movement that says violence is an acceptable response to words.

Most all of the violence or non-violence in a society has more to do with culture and far less with the government telling people what to do.

In the USA, even as a foreigner, you could be sentenced to death for killing someone unless it’s in self-defense. Yet, that doesn’t stop people.

 

[Jamie5]

More of us need to do the exact Opposite, and NOT keep our mouths shut, but speak and cry louder than ever to get some type of gun regulation enacted. We cannot let this cycle continue unanswered. When there are earthquakes or hurricanes or fires we do our best to engineer houses and streets to help prevent such widespread death and damage, but EVERY time a mass shooting occurs there seems to be a week of outrage and then business as usual, which is outrageous in it’s own right.

 

[SuperLuigi]

More of us need to do the exact Opposite, and NOT keep our mouths shut, but speak and cry louder than ever to get some type of gun regulation enacted.

Wrong. This is just the gun-control lobby trying to take advantage of another tragedy. People get shot in Chicago a lot more than they do in Las Vegas and yet the gun-control lobby is silent. Which is no surprise consider that Chicago has some of the most stringent gun control laws.

Do more than just shout emotionally about tragedy and understand the issues.

As Shapiro notes “facts don’t care about your feelings”

 

[Jamie5]

Wrong again. This is just the NRA again refusing to open their eyes to even the slightest hint of regulation.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/opinions/nra-and-gops-bump-stock-ruse-nutter/index.html

 

[SuperLuigi]

Jamie, I’m not going to read propaganda by CNN.

Gun regulation has been tried in America and it doesn’t work. It also makes little to no difference in other countries were the primary control is cultural and familial, not the government.

Stop wasting your energy promoting all of this feel-good, left-wing, virtue-signaling here on CAF.

 

[theCardinalbird]

The right to bear arms is Weird. Although for a dangerous country I guess it is necessary? I’m Canadian so I think differently from Americans.

Why can’t you guys get gun control again?

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’ll speak my mind and opinion thank you very much.

At your own risk.

Perhaps you should stop wasting your energy promoting all of your anti-gay, alt right, pro-gun virtue signaling here.

One of the least quality responses I’ve ever seen. All this is is a cut’n’paste character attack.

Show one thing I’ve said that’s anti-gay or alt-right. I really hope you don’t mean it’s bad for someone to uphold traditional marriage on a CATHOLIC Forum…

Also, I suggest looking up the meaning of virtue-signaling…and ad hominem attacks.

 

[Jamie5]

Don’t threaten me sir. Your bigotry, naivety, and complete utter lack of empathy shows through in every post you make.

 

[starshiptrooper]

As the resident alt-right member on this forum, I will thank you not to conflate SuperLuigi’s classical liberal perspective with my own.

 

[ChaosGamma]

That’s the #1 problem. Most people who talk about this have no clue what they are talking about.

Knowledge doesn’t matter. Only virtue-signaling and having the cool opinion + tragedy does.

And that’s the #1 problem with democracy. Most people have no clue about most issues, but they sure think their uninformed opinions matter dammit!

 

[ChaosGamma]

That’s understandable because most Europeans and Canadians didn’t have a war of independence by rebelling against their former nation

Rebellion against our lawful sovereign is a black spot in America’s history and not something we should be proud of. Also, Europe did rebel. The history of Europe from 1789 to 1945 is pretty much the rebellion coming in fits and starts before the Americans, Brits and Soviets ganged up to finally put down the last bastard pseudo-reactionary/Leftist offspring of the Ancien Regime.

The only reason the American rebellion came so easily is because the Brits had already gone through the same process which finally ended (as a regular feature) with the expulsion of the legitimate (and might I add, Catholic) King James II in 1688. The rebellion was really just the final little tussle between the Whigs and the Tories, which the Tories lost.

We the People are the Sovereign. Americans are subjected to no one

LOL

And the Donald is going to drain the swamp. Right after Pope Francis restores the Roman nobility.

 

[LilyM]

One more time: America does not have a gun problem. It has a people problem.

Yeah, a problem with people thinking they’re John Wayne or Clint Eastwood or something

You know what, if even one of the armed civilians present at the Orlamdo nightclub shooting or Las Vegas had even attempted to take a shot at the shooters, then I might buy the idea that guns are genuinely more useful than useless as a means of self defence.

But they didn’t. So I’m yet to be convinced.

 

[FollowChrist34]

I wonder what the Founding Fathers would think of the kind of weaponry that is available in the United States today. And is that what the Second Amendment was intended to protect. I don’t see a lot of difference between arguments about the constitutionality of gay marriage or abortion and the right to amass the kind of firepower used in this Las Vegas massacre because we have the Second Amendment. It makes me feel just as sick.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Rebellion against our lawful sovereign is a black spot in America’s history and not something we should be proud of

I disagree. Someone needs to remind the politicians that they work for us, not the other way around.

 

[JonNC]

Wrong again. This is just the NRA again refusing to open their eyes to even the slightest hint of regulation.

Either you made this false statement knowing it wasn’t true, or you didn’t know. So, assuming the latter,
From the NRA:

“In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.”

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I’m not interested in a knee-jerk emotional response to a complicated issue where the vast majority of deaths are not even coming from the relatively tiny handful of high-profile mass shootings. Such reactions usually end up doing more harm than good, and their main benefit is making people feel emotionally better that they did something or somehow gave “meaning” to an otherwise “senseless” death. You are free to go ahead and shout loud if you feel you need to do that, as we have free speech in USA and it no doubt provides some emotional catharsis for people who need that. But it’s not required, nor will everybody do it, nor does it ultimately make good law or good changes.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

More knee-jerk emotional response in the form of a personal attack? Please just stop. In any event, pro- Second Amendment people come from a wide variety of political persuasions. It has more to do with one’s level of comfort around guns, how one was raised, and whether one thinks that problems can be solved by “banning” stuff.

 

[JonNC]

More of us need to do the exact Opposite, and NOT keep our mouths shut, but speak and cry louder than ever to get some type of gun regulation enacted. We cannot let this cycle continue unanswered. When there are earthquakes or hurricanes or fires we do our best to engineer houses and streets to help prevent such widespread death and damage, but EVERY time a mass shooting occurs there seems to be a week of outrage and then business as usual, which is outrageous in it’s own right.

Well, here you are:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91942478

 

[jcrichton]

Again, you make my point!

How many guns does it take to feel safe?

Maran atha!

Angel