Do you support the second amendment?

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I agree.

I have a right to property, my car is my property. I can’t drive it without a license, a registration and insurance.

I don’t ever think it’s infringing on my rights to own a car.
 
That is a rather singular opinion that I do not agree with. It seems like gun owners want the right to own a gun without any responsibility for gun ownership, like being able to prove he killed another. In this respect, there is no difference between gun owners, criminal and otherwise.

In any case, speaking of the Supreme Court upholding the interpretation of the Second Amendment extending beyond the purpose of militia, the same holds true of it denying that any requirement for responsible ownership being an “infringement.” Like love and marriage, you can’t have one without the other.
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The state has the authority to put restrictions on your driving.
It also has the authority to restrict and regulate gun ownership, like it or not.
 
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Read the Constitution.

The state has the authority to put restrictions on your driving.

Although, if you keep your car on your personal property, you can own it and drive it around within your property … [pollution may be an issue].

But arms are specifically and deliberately included as part of the Constitution.

If you get interested, read The Federalist Papers.

The idea of using the Amendments to specifically call out certain things was deliberate.

Initially more than ten amendments were proposed for inclusion. It is interesting to look them up and study them.

In any case, the Second Amendment was specifically delineated.

It was not an accident.
 
you don’t have a right to drive a car on public property. it is granted at will by the state.
 
@pnewton

I believe I can safely say that we are all referring to if the Federal Govt
stopped obeying the constitution.

We (or at least me) are talking about the having the right to rebel against
the govt, but NOT on our own. But rather with the approval of our state
governments.

Basically, the argument is that the Constitution grants the right of civil
war, even if it’s used wrongnly like it was during The Civil War.

NOTE: I am not someone who owns guns and I do not like them. But I do
agree with the idea that main purpose of the 2nd amendment was to protect
the states and people against a tyrannical federal govt (which I pray never
comes into existence).

God Bless
 
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I ask for evidence
ok

http://jonathanstray.com/papers/Gun Violence Meta-analysis.pdf
Second, a number of politically popular programs show little or no promise for reducing gun violence. For example, gun buy-backs did not demonstrate empirical relationship with gun violence. These programs, at best, hope to affect gun crime indirectly by decreasing the availability of guns and thus reducing gun crimes. Little evidence has been shown to support the assumption that they are able to decrease the number of guns available to criminals, much less gun crime (Rosenfeld, 1995).
Also showing little promise were several popular types of gun laws. Effect sizes drawn from methodologically rigorous studies evaluating waiting periods and background checks were not statistically significant. Also, although it appears that enhanced prison terms show a significant and negative impact on gun violence, the mean effect size from the high-quality studies showed this relationship to be weak.
Finally, certain types of policies and programs do show considerable promise for reducing gun violence. Specifically, law enforcement programs are clearly more effective than gun laws.
Differences within the effects of waiting periods and background checks also indicate the need for caution in trusting findings from research of limited quality. A number of high-quality studies have found null effects (–.004). Still, including research of limited and fair quality (whose respective mean effects are –.200 and –.174) into the overall mean effect size gives the impression that these laws have been shown to significantly (yet weakly) reduce crime (r = –.078).
 
It seems like gun owners want the right to own a gun without any responsibility for gun ownership, like being able to prove he killed another. In this respect, there is no difference between gun owners, criminal and otherwise.
this is an affront to all law abiding gun owners.
 
the argument that we should never act to improve a situation,
the act has to do something real not just make people feel better. all gun control does is control the law abiding. it does nothing to stop the criminal.

from CATO.org
Willis Ross of the Florida Police Chiefs Association recently observed: “I think any working policeman will tell you that the crooks already have guns. If a criminal fills out an application and sends his application… he’s the biggest, dumbest crook I’ve ever seen.” Kansas City’s chief of police echoed this sentiment in testimony at a Senate hearing. He noted that drug criminals acquire guns by theft, by trade or by using legal surrogate buyers. Drug dealers do not purchase their guns over the counter.

Under current national law, anyone who wants to buy a machine gun has to be fingerprinted, fill out a federal license application and then wait three months. Yet drug dealers still have no trouble obtaining stolen or illegally imported machine guns. If a strict law can’t keep machine guns away from drug dealers, a less strict waiting period for handguns won’t matter either.

Can anyone really believe that an individual who buys pure heroin by the ounce, who does business in the highly illegal chemicals used to produce amphetamines, or who sells cocaine on the toughest street corners in the worst neighborhoods will not know where to buy an illegal gun?

Almost every study of waiting periods has found them to be worthless. An anti-gun scholar, Duke University’s Philip Cook, explains that criminals do not buy guns through normal channels, but instead “find ways of circumventing the screening system entirely.” Cook concludes: “There has been no convincing proof that a police check on handgun buyers reduces violent crime rates.” A Senate Judiciary Committee investigation found no evidence that waiting periods prevent crime.
 
I believe I can safely say that we are all referring to if the Federal Govt

stopped obeying the constitution.

We (or at least me) are talking about the having the right to rebel against

the govt, but NOT on our own
So for you, you might be the government stopped obeying the Second Amendment. For BLM, they might think this was okay if the government did not obey the Fourteenth Amendment.

I mentioned this earlier and someone said that nobody is suggesting what you are suggesting, but it does give a good reason why the government might want to keep tabs on the BLM, NRA and other possible rebellious groups.
 
it does nothing to stop the criminal.
There that absolute language again. And again if I will ask if anyone has any data that refutes the above study. Your link is just an appeal to common knowledge.

If there really is no evidence that anything will save lives, why is the NRA still opposing research into gun violence, assuming it might result in some sort of legislation?
 
So, should immigrants, legal and illegal, or former felons be allowed to own guns? I think most would say they shouldn’t. If this is the case, then what is the problem with a time frame in which someone’s right to own a gun can be verified?
 
Will the hypocrites in congress who want to take away our guns also get rid of their armed body guards?
 
There that absolute language again. And again if I will ask if anyone has any data that refutes the above study. Your link is just an appeal to common knowledge.

If there really is no evidence that anything will save lives, why is the NRA still opposing research into gun violence, assuming it might result in some sort of legislation?
did you read the first post? the link is a 2012 study.

you don’t like the statement but it is true. prove it wrong.

common knowledge you argue against. what law will stop the criminal from getting a gun? what control will stop criminals from getting guns?

as i stated above. the CDC isn’t explicitly banned from researching gun violence, in 2013 they funded a research project and conducting their own study in 2015.

they just can’t advocate or promote gun control. the CDC should be unbiased but as we have seen this is a pipe dream.
 
common knowledge you argue against. what law will stop the criminal from getting a gun? what control will stop criminals from getting guns?
Simple. Not everyone who commits a crime knows the neighborhood arms dealer. Where are using the word “criminal” here almost as a synonym for gang member, or career criminal. A lot of crime is committed by those who know nothing of the nefarious criminal underworld.
 
it is called background checks. they take a few minutes to approve. why wait longer?
Funny I did not hear this when we discuss “extreme vetting.” In other words, the current background check is quite cursory.
 
did you read the first post? the link is a 2012 study.

you don’t like the statement but it is true. prove it wrong.
Prove a negative? Has logic been abandoned?
Yes I read the OP. It is a survey. There are five links… I saw no academic study.
 
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did you read the first post? the link is a 2012 study.

you don’t like the statement but it is true. prove it wrong.
Prove a negative? Has logic been abandoned?
Yes I read the OP. It is a survey. There are five links. I saw no academic study.
 
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