Do you think all suicides goes to hell?

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What is God’s mercy compared to human freedom? Debate encouraged.
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No debate required. Here is what the Catholic Catechiam has to say about the subject…

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

Please re-read section 2283 over and over again until you understand what it is saying. Thank you:gopray:
 
A close relative of mine took his own life two years ago. At that point I reread the Catechism on the subject, and I found it extremely beautiful and comforting.
The text is very clear on the evil of suicide and gives the reasons why it is so wrong. At the same time, it reminds us of God’s infinite mercy and the need to entrust suicides to him, because only God is in a position to decide the fate of a person.
A truly Catholic approach cannot omit either of these aspects. The Church has authoritatively expressed this here and elsewhere, and as Catholics we believe that the Church has the authority to teach in the name of Christ, and so there is no room for debate on this matter.
The conditions for the commission of a mortal sin of suicide are the same as for any other mortal sin. They have never changed. It is true, however, that we are more aware today of the psychological factors that can preclude full knowledge and consent.
How this or that Catholic understands or applies the teaching of the Church is irrelevant to the truth of that teaching itself. In my opinion, people should avoid damning or canonizing anyone who has died. We have a grave obligation to pray and offer Masses for the dead, even if we are absolutely confident that they are with God in heaven. Prayers for the dead are never wasted!!!
Another practical point: we ought to be very careful about saying in front of children that a suicide is in heaven. It may sound very comforting to an adult, but a child can understand it to mean that the quickest way to God is to kill yourself.
 
eelpis said:
Yes I know this, but who determines what is grave suffering?? It seems the Church follows modern more than common understanding today.
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God is the determiner. He knows the degree of culpability commensurate with the individual’s knowledge, grace, and burdens.
 
eelpis said:
Yes I know this, but who determines what is grave suffering?? It seems the Church follows modern more than common understanding today.
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God determines what is grave suffering …it is impossible to state whether all who suicide go to Hell, since it is impossible for human beings to sit in judgement on each other, individuals or groups of individuals, even in the case of extremely grave matter. There are TWO OTHER conditions which MUST be present at the time of committing grave matter for grave matter of itself to constitute a mortal sin. See the Catholic Catechism - I quote below only two paragraphs of the section on sin and mortal sin:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a8.htm#1859

Catholic Catechism:

[1860](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1860.htm’)😉 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.
[1861](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/1861.htm’)😉 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. ***However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God. ***
Blessings and regards…Barb:)
 
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