Do you think His Holiness Pope Benedict the XVI's visit will get the US Church back on track?

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In a recent thread about the Novus Ordo Mass, and many of the liturgical abuses I was lamenting what one person called an unofficial schism between Rome and the US Church. I was wondering what impact the Pontifical visit might have?
 
Grace and Peace,

We, the faithful, can only hope and pray that ‘all’, including those in Rome (i.e. Curia), will embrace our Christian Call to Holiness and Faithfulness to our Holy Tradition.

Pax 🙂
 
I do not think the Church in the US is off track. I think there are a few who try to march to their own drum. The Holy Father’s visit will have zero impact on them. Only the Holy Spirit can handle the change of heart that is needed.
 
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When all is said and done: much more has been said than done. 😃
Hi Joe. Any journey begins with first step. I believe this pope is smart. Sure there’s always been a potential schism in this country yet I believe the Pope will inspire the people to get the ball rolling. Did Cardinal Josef Ratzinger make some errors in judgement before he became Pope? Perhaps. But he’s out to make some changes which might surprise you. All in all, the church will survive - even after the great chastisement. (Whatever that is).
 
In a recent thread about the Novus Ordo Mass, and many of the liturgical abuses I was lamenting what one person called an unofficial schism between Rome and the US Church. I was wondering what impact the Pontifical visit might have?
I don’t think the Pope’s visit had anything to do with correcting liturgical abuses. It wasn’t the time and place to do it. He visit to the US was all about damage control because of the sex scandals. To that end, I think he made a lot of progress.

From what I saw on the boob tube, Pope Benedict doesn’t have the same comfort level as his predecessor in public. That doesn’t make him inferior in any way; I only wished the commentators wouldn’t have treated him as though he were.
 
I agree with pnewton, I don’t think the Catholic Church in the U.S. is off-track.

I do believe his visit will impact someone somewhere. The Lord would not have sent him to the U.S. for no purpose. We may never know the impact this side of heaven, but if one soul is saved because of Pope Benedict’s visit to the U.S., it is worth it.
 
While I’m no expert, I’m not sure that the Holy Father’s visit can be fairly classified as mere “damage control”. I think that much emphasis has been placed in making sure that Catholics in the US maintain their identity, and are unafraid to proclaim the truths that the Church teaches.

Further, I doubt this will do much to put the US back on track. The Pope is a very smart man, though, and I am sure he knows what he is doing. Obviously prudence has a large part to play - we cannot expect that he will come in and start saying Mass ad orientam in Latin (although yes, I was hopeful ;)). Change comes in little steps.
 
In a recent thread about the Novus Ordo Mass, and many of the liturgical abuses I was lamenting what one person called an unofficial schism between Rome and the US Church. I was wondering what impact the Pontifical visit might have?
I believe that we all must “calmly and clearly” define our differences in “love and in hope.”

I believe that our wonderful Pope Benedict XVI wants us to stop the bickering and learn to love one another.

Love and Hope are a wonderful Traditions of our beloved Church We can all extend to love and hope to one another.
 
MUST BE MORE ECUMENICAL AND LESS DOGMATIC
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 Pope Benedict, at age 81, was remarkable in the USA. Such energy and clarity of mind. Such a fluent speaker. And that mass in Yankee Stadium was unsurpassed in the way it was organized and orchestrated.

 However, two problems. 

 (1) Pope Benedict made two major gaffes some months ago. One was to quote a medieval Catholic who declared that Islam was evil. Not smart to do, even if the Pope thought it. Even more detrimental in the USA were his comments last summer to the effect that Protestant churches were not really churches bu 'ecclesial entities' and that Protestant ministers did not properly conduct communion. Again, even if he thought this it casts doubt on his judgment to say this aloud. It certainly disgusted many of my Protestant friends.

  (2) Pope Benedict's emphasis at Yankee Stadium was on the authority of the church and the need for Catholics to obey their church. Sounds okay but Catholics have been rebelling against church authority and do not want to be told like children that they have to believe and do what Mother Church says. This is why so many in, say, Catholic Quebec and Catholic Ireland have become alienated. They have come to resent any attempt of the church to make them conform. They have to be won over and will not respond to appeals to church authority. They can be attracted by a church that is open to new ideas and practices, a church that is not anchored in the ancient and medieval past and refuses to budge.
 
MUST BE MORE ECUMENICAL AND LESS DOGMATIC
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 Pope Benedict, at age 81, was remarkable in the USA. Such energy and clarity of mind. Such a fluent speaker. And that mass in Yankee Stadium was unsurpassed in the way it was organized and orchestrated.

 However, two problems. 

 (1) Pope Benedict made two major gaffes some months ago. One was to quote a medieval Catholic who declared that Islam was evil. Not smart to do, even if the Pope thought it. Even more detrimental in the USA were his comments last summer to the effect that Protestant churches were not really churches bu 'ecclesial entities' and that Protestant ministers did not properly conduct communion. Again, even if he thought this it casts doubt on his judgment to say this aloud. It certainly disgusted many of my Protestant friends.

  (2) Pope Benedict's emphasis at Yankee Stadium was on the authority of the church and the need for Catholics to obey their church. Sounds okay but Catholics have been rebelling against church authority and do not want to be told like children that they have to believe and do what Mother Church says. This is why so many in, say, Catholic Quebec and Catholic Ireland have become alienated. They have come to resent any attempt of the church to make them conform. They have to be won over and will not respond to appeals to church authority. They can be attracted by a church that is open to new ideas and practices, a church that is not anchored in the ancient and medieval past and refuses to budge.
What!!??? So the Pope shouldn’t act or talk as though he is Catholic? Just say what everyone wants to hear? :rolleyes:
So some Protestants are “offended”. Good grief! All it took was a Catholic friend to tell me, a (former) protestant that I was a “separated brother” for me to investigate what the heck he was talking about. I am a convert because he “offended” me. Gratias Deo!

If one is willing to be obedient to our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, they will most certainly obey Holy Mother Church and those he has put in authority. What you are desiring is called “Protestantism”. So sad 😦
 
All it took was a Catholic friend to tell me, a (former) protestant that I was a “separated brother” for me to investigate what the heck he was talking about. I am a convert because he “offended” me. Gratias Deo!(
Welcome…so glad you have converted. It is so nice to hear these convert stories since I am a cradle catholic. I don’t know if I would have had the knowledge to convert if I wasn’t one already.

I also agree about what you said about “So the Pope shouldn’t act or talk as though he is Catholic?” GOOD way to put it. The truth sometimes hurts, and it really does to the ones that don’t want to hear the truth.

Also I don’t understand what he meant about Catholics not wanting to be told to obey the Church. That is want I want, and I know many many Catholics that want the same thing. We want God’s own Church, the Catholic Church, to tell us this is wrong and this is right. None of this gray stuff. I am so happy to see that is where things are heading. Already I am hearing from the pulpit, I travel all over the US for work and attend many Masses, that we must start going back to Confession, learning our religion, and praying as often as possible.
 
MUST BE MORE ECUMENICAL AND LESS DOGMATIC
There is no either/or with these two. Ecumenism without a strong sense of doctrine leads to the error of indifferentism. Any ecumenical movement must be grounded in the reality of who we really are as Catholics. This may offend some, but that is part and parcel of following Christ.
 
In a recent thread about the Novus Ordo Mass, and many of the liturgical abuses I was lamenting what one person called an unofficial schism between Rome and the US Church. I was wondering what impact the Pontifical visit might have?
Schism?, What schism?
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