Do YOU think marijuana use is wrong?

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I was using the search tool on this forum, and found numerous thread regarding how marijuana use (recreational) is wrong, and even a priest responded it is morally wrong because it is illegal.

My oh my. I pity those who condemn the use of marijuana. If it’s the illegal aspect of it that makes you see it as being wrong, consider this: Getting a prostitute in Las Vegas is legal, so it that right?

Besides, we all know Holland has very liberal drug laws, and the statistics actually show it has among the lowest crime rates in all of Europe. The Dutch have gotten it right…they distinguish cannabis from harder drugs…which means there are significantly less dealers on the streets looking to push the drug.

What really comes to mind is the health aspect. Everyone knows 0 deaths have been directly linked to Marijuana…while millions die each year of tobacco and alcohol, which are obviously legal…such a shame.

While smoking pot has limited harm, it’s no secret pure THC does wonders to the body…it widens the blood vessels (unlike tobacco, which constricts them), helps those of glaucoma, it’s even been found it helps with memory, since it stimulates neurotransmitters…which is why many people often find themselves remembering things that happened a while ago, almost with a photographic description…and of course, it gives people a feeling of complete ecstasy, a super feeling which heightens the senses…

which is what brings me to post here. Believe it or not, Marijuana is actually a spiritual ritual to me…I use it at night, think about life, pray…it’s an experience that I wouldn’t trade for the world…it’s very peaceful. I wish more fellow Catholics realized the truth about God’s magical plant, and that it wasn’t so wrongly viewed upon by corporate America.

God bless you all.
 
Next time we have a baby going through marijuana withdrawal, You come and watch and then tell me it isn’t wrong.
Kathy
 
Well, personally I don’t think it is any worse than alcohol. While I wouldn’t whine if it were legalized, I also wouldn’t promote it were that to happen, either.
 
Hey Kathy, are one of the billion that are ignorant upon the subject? Who ever said to consume the plant during birth? If a pregnant mother smokes cigarettes (or even is around it), or consumes alcohol, there is permanent damage, not to mention they are at a higher rate to either be a smoker, or an alcoholic. If the mother is obese, the child is at great risk.

Please know your facts before posting.

God bless
 
Hippie4Peace said:
Hey Kathy, are one of the billion that are ignorant upon the subject? Who ever said to consume the plant during birth? If a pregnant mother smokes cigarettes (or even is around it), or consumes alcohol, there is permanent damage, not to mention they are at a higher rate to either be a smoker, or an alcoholic. If the mother is obese, the child is at great risk.

Please know your facts before posting.

God bless
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Excuse me, but what the mama does, the baby gets too. If the mama smokes, drinks or does drugs at any time during pregnancy, so does the baby. And most mamas who do drugs don’t stop when they are pregnant.

Please, know your facts before posting.

Kathy
 
Katie1723 said:
Excuse me, but what the mama does, the baby gets too. If the mama smokes, drinks or does drugs at any time during pregnancy, so does the baby. And most mamas who do drugs don’t stop when they are pregnant.

Please, know your facts before posting.

Kathy
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Kathy,

You sound like a lost sheep. If you aren’t illiterate, you will find that you reiterated my post. I said whatever the Mom does, the child will suffer according to what it was the Mother did. “Most mamas who do drugs don’t stop when they are pregnant.” First, provide some reference point as to which illustrates your claim.

Second, I can’t speak for anyone else…if a pregnant mother chooses to use the plant, or another drug, that is their problem…intelligent users know how, and when to use the substance. Obviously, you haven’t met any of them. Take care, and open your mind.

Once again, know your facts.

Amen.
 
Katie1723 said:
Intelligent drug users…sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Kathy
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You’re going to wish you hadn’t said that…I could go on and on…

I’ll name people who YOU may be aware of…William Shakespeare, John Lennon, Steven King, Bob Marley, George Washington, John F Kennedy, Conan O’Brien, Matthew McConaughey, Sonny Bono, Eminem, Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, Jim Carrey, Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Newt Gingrich, Pablo Picasso, Willie Nelson, Keanu Reeves, Ted Turner, Thomas Jefferson, etc.

Are they not intelligent enough?
 
Not to be too much of a wise guy, but it does seem–from this thread at least–that marijuana does not promote charity and humility.

I prefer to try to cultivate those two virtues.
 
Intelligent enough for what?

Addiction is no respecter of persons
 
Hippie4Peace said:
You’re going to wish you hadn’t said that…I could go on and on…

I’ll name people who YOU may be aware of…William Shakespeare, John Lennon, Steven King, Bob Marley, George Washington, John F Kennedy, Conan O’Brien, Matthew McConaughey, Sonny Bono, Eminem, Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, Jim Carrey, Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Newt Gingrich, Pablo Picasso, Willie Nelson, Keanu Reeves, Ted Turner, Thomas Jefferson, etc.

Are they not intelligent enough?
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It’d probably be better for your case to leave out the likes of Brad Pitt and Willie Nelson and add the likes of Evelyn Waugh, the great Catholic novelist.
 
PapaSquash said:
Intelligent enough for what?

Addiction is no respecter of persons
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I was responding with intelligent users because she claimed intelligent and drug users do not go together…which is the common thought surrounding most Americans…

which is why most “stoner” movies depict the characters as stupid, lazy, and unproductive. Perhaps the movie ‘Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle’ is the exact opposite of the traditional ‘Half-Baked,’ or ‘Jay and Silent Bob’…because Harold & Kumar were VERY intelligent folks who happened to be very fond of pot…one was an aspiring medical school student, while the other was an investment banker.

here is a quote from Willie Nelson:

"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?
 
Hippie4Peace said:
You’re going to wish you hadn’t said that…I could go on and on…

I’ll name people who YOU may be aware of…William Shakespeare, John Lennon, Steven King, Bob Marley, George Washington, John F Kennedy, Conan O’Brien, Matthew McConaughey, Sonny Bono, Eminem, Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt, Jim Carrey, Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Newt Gingrich, Pablo Picasso, Willie Nelson, Keanu Reeves, Ted Turner, Thomas Jefferson, etc.

Are they not intelligent enough?
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I’m not sure I’d call Bob Marley, Sonny Bono, Eminem, Jennifer Aniston, etc. intelligent, but perhaps that’s just me. :rolleyes:

Anyways, there’s a difference between ‘intelligence,’ which the world judges, and true wisdom, which comes from God. Yeah, the world tells us that the likes of Shakespeare, Steven King and Thomas Jefferson are intelligent. But that doesn’t mean that they (or any of their drug-using colleagues cited above) were pursuing the truth in the kind of wisdom to which all human beings are called.

My problem with marijuana, alcohol in large amounts, and any other mind-altering substances is that it takes away our rational capabilities. There’s danger in this, obviously, which is why such things are illegal. But my issues here is not so much legality, though it’s important to note that we are morally obligated to obey secular laws unless doing so violates the higher divine/moral law.

We’re not ourselves, we’re not seeking to understand things or able to make good (or moral) decisions when we’re high or intoxicated. If we see our lives as unified journey towards God, why would we ever want to not be ourselves along that journey? Where does that get us, exactly? Whatever high feelings you might get from smoking pot and praying…is that a true religious experience, or an effect of the drug? There is clarity to be found in contemplation that just is impossible when under the influence of a mind-altering substance.

Humans are rational animals. God is Divine Wisdom, and we are created in His image. Our ability to reason is what makes us human, and Christ, our savior who is Wisdom *Incarnate *unites Himself to us precisely because we are rational. It doesn’t make any sense to deny that part of ourselves.
 
Pax vobiscum!

Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas.

In Christ,
Rand
 
I smoked marijuana in high school and thought the same as you did then.

Now, I can’t remember my junior year of high school. None of it.

Sorry, I’m not for killing brain cells anymore. I grew up.
 
Hippie4Peace said:
here is a quote from Willie Nelson:

"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?
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This makes no sense.

Yeah, marijuana is a naturally-occuring herb and flower. What’s not natural is rolling it into joints and smoking them in order to get hallucinogenic effects.

Opium is naturally occuring as well. Why isn’t that OK to use? Sure, it’s a bit more damaging to our health, but as I said earlier, marijuana use is certainly damaging to our intellectual/spiritual/moral health–which, in the end, is much more important than our physical health.

We live in a fallen world. All of creation has been disordered. God may have created marijuana and poppies in the garden, but our use of them–to heighten our own passions–is certainly not what He intended.
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
Pax vobiscum!

Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas.

In Christ,
Rand
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Ok, it was in argument to show that not everything “legal,” is good…I don’t know specifics, but I do know Nevada is the only state where prostitution is legal…so if not Clark County, other counties…
 
Hippie4Peace said:
I was using the search tool on this forum, and found numerous thread regarding how marijuana use (recreational) is wrong, and even a priest responded it is morally wrong because it is illegal.

My oh my. I pity those who condemn the use of marijuana. If it’s the illegal aspect of it that makes you see it as being wrong, consider this: Getting a prostitute in Las Vegas is legal, so it that right?
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False analogy. 1) Prostitution is not legal in Las Vegas 2) if something is legal, but immoral, it doesn’t mean that catholics have to participate in it, whereas if something is illegal but moral or amoral a catholic has to obey the civil authority (so long as it isn’t against religion itself such as a prohibition against celebrating mass).
Hippie4Peace said:
Besides, we all know Holland has very liberal drug laws, and the statistics actually show it has among the lowest crime rates in all of Europe. The Dutch have gotten it right…they distinguish cannabis from harder drugs…which means there are significantly less dealers on the streets looking to push the drug.
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I certainly don’t want America to become more like Holland or any of the other countries in the Netherland! They are liberal in almost all matters - abortion, prostitution, and same sex “marriage”. Also if I do remember correctly they have a tendency of arresting Pastors who criticize same sex “marriage” or unions.

As for the argument the bit about there being less drug dealers on the street. I don’t know, but I’m suppose that it is wider used in the Netherlands.
Hippie4Peace said:
What really comes to mind is the health aspect. Everyone knows 0 deaths have been directly linked to Marijuana…while millions die each year of tobacco and alcohol, which are obviously legal…such a shame.
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While what you say is true at least Tobacco isn’t a “mind altering drug”, and Alcohol isn’t either in moderation.
Hippie4Peace said:
While smoking pot has limited harm, it’s no secret pure THC does wonders to the body…it widens the blood vessels (unlike tobacco, which constricts them), helps those of glaucoma, it’s even been found it helps with memory, since it stimulates neurotransmitters…which is why many people often find themselves remembering things that happened a while ago, almost with a photographic description…and of course, it gives people a feeling of complete ecstasy, a super feeling which heightens the senses…

which is what brings me to post here. Believe it or not, Marijuana is actually a spiritual ritual to me…I use it at night, think about life, pray…it’s an experience that I wouldn’t trade for the world…it’s very peaceful. I wish more fellow Catholics realized the truth about God’s magical plant, and that it wasn’t so wrongly viewed upon by corporate America.

God bless you all.
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It’s a mind altering drug. And artificial “ecstasy” is different from the religious kind. I think people who us marijuanna to get closer to god are in need of spiritual help, because it is the drug that is doing it. It isn’t god’s involvement.
 
Hippie4Peace said:
I was responding with intelligent users because she claimed intelligent and drug users do not go together…which is the common thought surrounding most Americans…

which is why most “stoner” movies depict the characters as stupid, lazy, and unproductive. Perhaps the movie ‘Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle’ is the exact opposite of the traditional ‘Half-Baked,’ or ‘Jay and Silent Bob’…because Harold & Kumar were VERY intelligent folks who happened to be very fond of pot…one was an aspiring medical school student, while the other was an investment banker.

here is a quote from Willie Nelson:

"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?
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Marijuana is not a drug? It’s a flower??? I’m sorry, I thought the definition of a flower was that it…well…flowered. I have yet to see a pot flower! Oh yeah…The opium poppy is a flower…pretty one too. Cocaine is a natural product as well. I prefer to obtain my scientific classifications from professional scientists, thanks so much. Somehow, I don’t think Willie has quite the degree to be considered an authority on the subject. Don’t even think to question my qualifications, btw. I got my doctorate studying natural products chemistry, biosynthesis, and metabolism. So keep your “get with the facts” to yourself or I’ll throw some real scintillating textbooks and medical journals your way…just in case the pot doesn’t make ya snoozy.
 
The list of actors/artists you have provided are mostly a bunch of people I would never consider a role model.
 
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