Do you think Mary is in Heaven

  • Thread starter Thread starter Jack_Bauer
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
J

Jack_Bauer

Guest
PLEASE. If you are Catholic please to not post unless it’s in reply to a non-Catholic. I’m Catholic and I know what the Catholic Church teachers about Mary. This should be interesting or revealing at least.

Growing up I was taught Mary was the mother of our Lord, Jesus, and therefore in heave. What does your faith teach about Mary. Does it teach that Mary “may be” in heaven or are you taught that she is not in heaven. Does your faith teach that we just don’t know if Mary is in heaven?
 
Jack_Bauer said:
PLEASE. If you are Catholic please to not post unless it’s in reply to a non-Catholic. I’m Catholic and I know what the Catholic Church teachers about Mary. This should be interesting or revealing at least.

Growing up I was taught Mary was the mother of our Lord, Jesus, and therefore in heave. What does your faith teach about Mary. Does it teach that Mary “may be” in heaven or are you taught that she is not in heaven. Does your faith teach that we just don’t know if Mary is in heaven?
Click to expand...
I think it’s a pretty safe bet she’s in heaven. Why wouldn’t she be?
 
FabiusMaximus said:
I think it’s a pretty safe bet she’s in heaven. Why wouldn’t she be?
Click to expand...
Well for the more extreme adherents of Sola Scriptura who see the Scriptures as the only source of truth, doctrine and faith, whether she is in heaven is not in the Bible (in their understanding anyway). If a tree falls in the woods and is not detailed in the Bible does it make a sound? 😉

God bless
 
Yes, she is the Mother of God. See Revelation 11:19. But even if that wasn’t in the bible, I would still believe that she is in heaven, as I’m not a sola scriptura Protestant 😃
 
Yes I believe she is in heaven - she clearly had an important role in the early church as she was with them when the Holy Spirit descended.
 
Jack_Bauer said:
PLEASE. If you are Catholic please to not post unless it’s in reply to a non-Catholic. I’m Catholic and I know what the Catholic Church teachers about Mary. This should be interesting or revealing at least.

Growing up I was taught Mary was the mother of our Lord, Jesus, and therefore in heave. What does your faith teach about Mary. Does it teach that Mary “may be” in heaven or are you taught that she is not in heaven. Does your faith teach that we just don’t know if Mary is in heaven?
Click to expand...
There is no account in scripture that would lead us to believe otherwise. In fact, the angel’s greeting makes it clear that she was “full of grace”, “highly favored”. If anyone is, The Holy Theotokos is a member of the Church Triumphant, praying unceasingly for the Church Militant. If she is not, then none of us have a chance.
There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ. - Luther
Click to expand...
Jon
 
For the Eastern Christians, she suffered death, and on the third day, she was resurrected and assumed into heaven in body. The feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos (the falling asleep of the Virgin Mary) is on August 15, the same day as the feast of the Assumption in Roman Catholicism. Doctrinally, I don’t believe any of this conflicts with the Catholic position on her Assumption, because the Catholic doctrine never specifies if she suffered death before being assumed into heaven (although I do have one close Roman Catholic friend who became rather upset upon me mentioning that in the Eastern tradition she is said to have suffered death first. I guess the Virgin Mary has probably become a rather sensitive topic for Roman Catholics after years of Protestants denouncing Marian Devotion as “Mary Worship” or worse).
 
Cavaradossi said:
For the Eastern Christians, she suffered death, and on the third day, she was resurrected and assumed into heaven in body. The feast of the Dormition of the Theotokos (the falling asleep of the Virgin Mary) is on August 15, the same day as the feast of the Assumption in Roman Catholicism. Doctrinally, I don’t believe any of this conflicts with the Catholic position on her Assumption, because the Catholic doctrine never specifies if she suffered death before being assumed into heaven (although I do have one close Roman Catholic friend who became rather upset upon me mentioning that in the Eastern tradition she is said to have suffered death first. I guess the Virgin Mary has probably become a rather sensitive topic for Roman Catholics after years of Protestants denouncing Marian Devotion as “Mary Worship” or worse).
Click to expand...
Cava…just for some confirmation…

I think it is not known when she was resurrected, right? It was when the apostles visited her tomb on the third day that her body was gone. Anyway, please correct me if I got this wrong. Thanks.
 
pablope said:
Cava…just for some confirmation…

I think it is not known when she was resurrected, right? It was when the apostles visited her tomb on the third day that her body was gone. Anyway, please correct me if I got this wrong. Thanks.
Click to expand...
I think the story goes something like this: the Apostle Thomas, being the only one not present at her death (poor Thomas, he just gets the shaft when it comes to these stories), returned on the third day after her death and wished to see her body, so they entered her tomb only to find that it was empty empty; it was then that the Virgin Mary accompanied by an angel appeared before the apostles and confirmed that she had been resurrected and assumed into heaven. I guess that does mean that she could’ve been resurrected at some other time, but I always took it to mean that she was resurrected on the third day, much like Christ was.
 
There would be no reason why any Catholic would NOT believe that Mary died. If even her son, who was God, chose to allow his human body to die, why would this NOT happen to his mother?

His mother was fully human, therefore she had to die just as all humans die. But, she did not have to wait till the end of the world to be assumed into heaven, she was taken up into heaven and body integrated with her soul.
 
Judaism doesn’t speculate about who may or may not be in heaven. As you undoubtedly know, we do not believe Mary was the mother of G-d. However, she was a virtuous, righteous (Jewish) woman so there is no reason I see why she should not be in heaven.
 
pablope said:
Cava…just for some confirmation…

I think it is not known when she was resurrected, right? It was when the apostles visited her tomb on the third day that her body was gone. Anyway, please correct me if I got this wrong. Thanks.
Click to expand...
I’m pretty sure resurrected is the WRONG language to use in this case.
 
ESMDHokie77 said:
I’m pretty sure resurrected is the WRONG language to use in this case.
Click to expand...
I’m not so sure about that. From the Eastern Orthodox perspective, because it’s believed that she was assumed in body, not just in soul, then I think it would be right to say that her body was resurrected. I think her resurrection after death is supposed to serve as a reminder of the promise to Christians of the general resurrection, and the life eternal in the age to come.
 
Cavaradossi said:
I’m not so sure about that. From the Eastern Orthodox perspective, because it’s believed that she was assumed in body, not just in soul, then I think it would be right to say that her body was resurrected. I think her resurrection after death is supposed to serve as a reminder of the promise to Christians of the general resurrection, and the life eternal in the age to come.
Click to expand...
Well, Mary is indeed alive, body and soul, in heaven. I just wanted to say that Mary, at the end of her life on earth, did not spend a great amount of time still on earth before she was assumed, (unlike Lazarus, I mean).
 
Paul wrote, “to be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord”, if she converted or believed that Jesus is the divine Messiah, then yes, she is likely in heaven. There are some who claims, that only those who were dead before the cross are now in heaven and that those who died after the cross are in the grave, known as soul sleep.
 
If Mary did die before the Assumption, then the term “resurrection” is undoubtedly the correct one. After all, one of the most important aspects of the Dogma of the Assumption is that Mary, being uniquely united to her Divine Son, experiences now what we will one day experience at the Second Coming – namely a “resurrection of the body”. This is the great hope for all of the saints asleep in the Lord and is precisely what we profess in the Nicene Creed. The only difference, of course, is that if Mary did in fact die, then her resurrection has already happened, while ours is yet to come.
 
JonNC said:
There is no account in scripture that would lead us to believe otherwise. In fact, the angel’s greeting makes it clear that she was “full of grace”, “highly favored”. If anyone is, The Holy Theotokos is a member of the Church Triumphant, praying unceasingly for the Church Militant. If she is not, then none of us have a chance.
Click to expand...
Jon has said it all as far as I am concerned. Of course, the Luther quote he provided is further evidence of where good Lutherans stand on the issue.
 
When Protestant, I believed that Mary was in Heaven. The highest of the Saints.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top