Do you think that the church will ever accept gay marriage?

[catharina]

That’s a fair point. I made a generalization. Fortunately, though, it wasn’t nearly as sweeping as saying our country is on the brink of destruction

My father returned to the church because he claimed to have seen a miracle. Nothing short of an unambiguous sign that the Catholic god exists will bring me back. Everything you are saying is predicated on the unsubstantiated fact that you’ve chosen the right religion. But I don’t mean to be unfair. Maybe God has unambiguously revealed himself to you. He hasn’t to me. I can’t really jump on your bandwagon until he does.

Anyway, if you’re just going to keep parroting your line about returning to my father, please just stop replying. This would be more interested if YOU engaged me, and didn’t just defer me to other sources you’ve never met and cannot ascertain the credibility of.

I’ve alluded to your previous posts (other threads) about your father.
As for interesting you? I have no need to do that.

As to the rest of your ramblings, no comment.

 

[antunesaa]

I don’t see why any apocalyptic signs for the US whatsoever. If you see them, please, fill me in. And make sure they’re signs of our country actually crumbling and not just signs that we’re moving in a direction you’re not happy about. The only real threat to US dominance seems to be the rise of China, but they’re still a long way off. Do you think China, in its rise, represents some sort of holier society than ours? Or maybe the piousness of a society has nothing to do with its success?

Maybe you should know that Christians make already about 55 million Chinese (some sources talk of a much larger number) and increasing fast. The Chinese National Catholic Church (not recognized by Rome) is a device to control the Chinese Catholics. The Communist Party leaders somehow sense that Christianity is, as always has been, very subversive. So maybe in 50 years Christians will be even more numerous in China and start having real influence. That happened to South Korea, where Christianity is now the largest religious group. See this article:

atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

The Catholic Church has resurfaced in many different places before. Brazil is on the rise and maybe in 100 or 200 years will be a superpower. Christianity is rising fast in Africa. As for Europe, who knows what might happen. I just think that the moral laws of the Catholic Church are by and large common sense. I wish gay people all the best, but I’m convinced that gay marriage is a social device destined for a tiny minority of adherents.

 

[Realist]

I’ve alluded to your previous posts (other threads) about your father.
As for interesting you? I have no need to do that.

As to the rest of your ramblings, no comment.

I don’t see what my previous posts about my father will reveal about you. Only you can make those connections. But you seem to lack either the will or capacity to answer the simplest questions, so I’m not expecting much.

 

[catharina]

Maybe you should know that Christians make already about 55 million Chinese (some sources talk of a much larger number) and increasing fast. The Chinese National Catholic Church (not recognized by Rome) is a device to control the Chinese Catholics. The Communist Party leaders somehow sense that Christianity is, as always has been, very subversive. So maybe in 50 years Christians will be even more numerous in China and start having real influence. That happened to South Korea, where Christianity is now the largest religious group. See this article:

atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

The Catholic Church has resurfaced in many different places before. Brazil is on the rise and maybe in 100 or 200 years will be a superpower. Christianity is rising fast in Africa. As for Europe, who knows what might happen. I just think that the moral laws of the Catholic Church are by and large common sense. I wish gay people all the best, but I’m convinced that **gay marriage is a social device **destined for a tiny minority of adherents.

**
A social device, a voting anchor and a full twist to human knowledge and history.**

 

[Realist]

Maybe you should know that Christians make already about 55 million Chinese (some sources talk of a much larger number) and increasing fast. The Chinese National Catholic Church (not recognized by Rome) is a device to control the Chinese Catholics. The Communist Party leaders somehow sense that Christianity is, as always has been, very subversive. So maybe in 50 years Christians will be even more numerous in China and start having real influence. That happened to South Korea, where Christianity is now the largest religious group. See this article:

atimes.com/atimes/China/IH07Ad03.html

The Catholic Church has resurfaced in many different places before. Brazil is on the rise and maybe in 100 or 200 years will be a superpower. Christianity is rising fast in Africa. As for Europe, who knows what might happen. I just think that the moral laws of the Catholic Church are by and large common sense. I wish gay people all the best, but I’m convinced that gay marriage is a social device destined for a tiny minority of adherents.

And I wish China, Brazil, and all the world’s Catholics the best. I just hope that in their growth, they don’t feel the need to put people down.

 

[catharina]

I don’t see what my previous posts about my father will reveal about you. Only you can make those connections. But you seem to lack either the will or capacity to answer the simplest questions, so I’m not expecting much.

You stated no question here but if you had included one, then my answer would be:

NO comment.

 

[Realist]

You stated no question here but if you had included one, then my answer would be:

NO comment.

Oh, believe me, that’s clear. And if you actually read my post like an educated reader, you would see that I was using your inability to answer the simplest of questions as an example of why I didn’t think you’d be able to draw any connections between my posts about my father and yourself.

 

[catharina]

I don’t see what my previous posts about my father will reveal about you. Only you can make those connections. But you seem to lack either the will or capacity to answer the simplest questions, so I’m not expecting much.

Educated, logical, relevant?

One more time:
You present no question in the above post.
All the best to you.

'Bye now.

 

[Realist]

Educated, logical, relevant?

One more time:
You present no question in the above post.
All the best to you.

'Bye now.

Once again, so? I didn’t claim to have presented a question. But I did pose earlier questions, and if you’re actually willing to answer one now, answer this: how, specifically, has the US changed in such a way that is leading the country to its soon-to-pass demise? And what will that demise look like? You seem certain that this will happen, and because the notion seems absurd to me, I want to know more.

 

[catharina]

Once again, so? I didn’t claim to have presented a question. But I did pose earlier questions, and if you’re actually willing to answer one now, answer this: how, specifically, has the US changed in such a way that is leading the country to its soon-to-pass demise? And what will that demise look like? You seem certain that this will happen, and because the notion seems absurd to me, I want to know more.

So ask your father.
Study Theology, study History.
Take a course in Logic followed by a course in Ethics.

You seem to have no idea how insulting and dismissive you are in your posts.
I have ZERO interest in pursuing communication with you.

(That was likely my final comment to you.)

 

[antunesaa]

And I wish China, Brazil, and all the world’s Catholics the best. I just hope that in their growth, they don’t feel the need to put people down.

The whole idea of Christianity is no to put people down, but to put people up…

Now more seriously, gay Catholics are like all other Catholics. We all have things that we would like very much to do, we are free to do, but Catholic teaching warns us not to do. Married people betray their spouses; priests indulge in sexual practices; homosexual people engage in explicit sex. There’s nothing wrong with being tempted; if we succumb to temptation, we should repent and try not to sin again. That’s it. There’s no special case for homosexuals, or priests, or heterosexuals, etc. The rules are ex-ante the same for all. To abide or not by them is our personal and irrevocable choice. As for the civil laws, they just reflect secular trends. But laws change; what laws will be in place in 200 years in the US or China? More permissive? Less permissive? I don’t dare to answer.

 

[Realist]

So ask your father.
Study Theology, study History.
Take a course in Logic followed by a course in Ethics.

You seem to have no idea how insulting and dismissive you are in your posts.
I have ZERO interest in pursuing communication with you.

(That was likely my final comment to you.)

Similarly, you seem to have no idea how insulting and dismissive you are in your posts. How ironic. Studying theology, history, logic, and ethics will not uncover the strange workings of a brain like yours, which concludes that our country is on the brink of self-destruction. That’s why I asked you for your perspective and not academia.

 

[John21652]

I have often heard men express this opinion on male homosexuality, but then when the subject of female homosexuality comes up the response is always, literally always: “lesbians are hot; I want to watch them.” Any insights on why this is so?

Not sure how to answer this one Sugarmagnolia, without offending people. Let’s just say that what men do to one another during sex is, well, very repulsive and causes the imaginations of normal men to invent all sorts of jokes and one liners which homosexuals find ‘hurtful’. I have never come across any men who say “lesbians are hot; I want to watch them.” Anyway, if there are men who get a kick out of watching them, maybe it’s because they envy one of them! I really don’t know. The thing is, I’m not sure women can do to one another what men can do to one another, so perhaps the feelings of repulsiveness don’t arise in the same way.

Have you ever heard any of the stories of male rape in prisons? It is a very painful and repulsive method of gaining power and control over another. The repulsiveness of the act is part of the power move. So is the pain inflicted deliberately. A normal man feels totally repulsed and totally violated as a result. Outside prison, such an act is performed willingly by some men and they call it ‘love’. Yuk.

 

[Realist]

Have you ever heard any of the stories of male rape in prisons? It is a very painful and repulsive method of gaining power and control over another. The repulsiveness of the act is part of the power move. So is the pain inflicted deliberately. A normal man feels totally repulsed and totally violated as a result. Outside prison, such an act is performed willingly by some men and they call it ‘love’. Yuk.

Have you ever heard any of the stories of a men raping women outside of prisons? Pain and dominance abound in those repulsive acts as well. And, yet, outside of rape, some men and women perform the act willingly and they call it “love”.

 

[John21652]

Have you ever heard any of the stories of a men raping women outside of prisons? Pain and dominance abound in those repulsive acts as well. And, yet, outside of rape, some men and women perform the act willingly and they call it “love”.

I kinda knew someone would come back with such a post, even though the question asked by Sugarmagnolia was for my opinion about men. I thought it might be some left wing womens libber still angry about the new rules she inherited from the 1970s and wondering why life hasn’t been plain sailing and just frothing at the mouth waiting to dig the boots into men in general. But no, it had to be you. You just had to wade in in your typical juvenile manner and state the obvious. You see mate, I’ve been reading your posts along the way and basically, to put it politely, I don’t know why people bother arguing with you. You only see one side of the coin and you call it ‘reality’. Ha!

And before I forget, as a non-US citizen, just let me tell you what many people around the world can see happening. The lossening of morality in the US of A is causing an obvious decline in power and strength. It’s a shame.

 

[markomalley]

I have often heard men express this opinion on male homosexuality, but then when the subject of female homosexuality comes up the response is always, literally always: “lesbians are hot; I want to watch them.” Any insights on why this is so?

Frankly, I think pornographic glamorization has a whole lot to do with it.

 

[Realist]

I kinda knew someone would come back with such a post, even though the question asked by Sugarmagnolia was for my opinion about men.

Sorry for pointing out that your opinion is flawed. My bad.

You only see one side of the coin and you call it ‘reality’. Ha!

And that’s different from the one side of the coin you subscribe to?

 

[John21652]

Sorry for pointing out that your opinion is flawed. My bad.

You didn’t. You never even attacked my opinion. You only think you did.

 

[Realist]

You didn’t. You never even attacked my opinion. You only think you did.

Okay, then here we go. You seem to think that because men rape other men in prison, and that rape in those instances–as opposed to other instances, apparently–is vile and fueled by the need for dominance, then acts between males outside of prison and outside the constructs of rape must have the same connotation. By replying the way I did, I wanted to illustrate that men rape women as well, and that following your logic, men and women having sex outside the constructs of rape must also be sullied by the connotations of rape.

 

[John21652]

Okay, then here we go. ** You seem to think** that because men rape other men in prison, and that rape in those instances–as opposed to other instances, apparently–is vile and fueled by the need for dominance, then acts between males outside of prison and outside the constructs of rape must have the same connotation. By replying the way I did, I wanted to illustrate that men rape women as well, and that following your logic, men and women having sex outside the constructs of rape must also be sullied by the connotations of rape.

OK, smarty pants, point out to me where, precisely, I wrote anything that could have given you, or anyone else, the impression that I saw a direct link between what men do as violent acts in prison and what homosexuals do outside prison as being about power and pain. I was referring to the unnaturalness of the act, as per SugarMagnoli’s question.

As for ‘illustrating’ that men rape women too, well sport, that is the ‘obvious’ that I thought some weirdo man hating women might respond to. I very nearly put in a rider that I was only concentrating on the male aspect of this topic, just in case. For your benefit, I should have!

As for your last comment, that “following my logic, men and women having sex outside the constructs of rape must also be sullied by the connotations of rape” is such a stretch of the imagination on your part I am really wishing I had put in the rider - to save you so much angst. Because I don’t write something doesn’t mean I am not aware of it. Your assumption is that because I narrowly focused on a certain topic, that I am not aware of the wider debate. You give yourself permission to assume, that because someone doesn’t write in a more expanded fashion, that they are therefore ignorant of the expanded topic. Assumptions like that shine through in many of your posts and they are getting you into trouble. Look at the first sentence of your response. I highlighted your error. You assume something, then use that assumption to construct an entire argument. That’s presumptuous. Stop making silly assumptions that lead you to post the bleedin’ obvious.