Do you think the Extrodinary Mass will help bring back the SSPX?

[Ridgerunner]

Bringing back the SSPX to what? “Full communion” with a Modernist Church? A Modernist Church that claims the SSPX is in schism but has no problem going to Protestant services? Never will happen. The SSPX’s leaders will tell you time and time again that is the battle for the faith. I can’t believe people here claim the SSPX is in schism yet all is fine with the USCCB who hired a feminist, pro-abortionist to be the director of domestic policy for this board. If the truely conservative bishops of this nation had any backbone, they would pull their names from this organization and not give it a single cent. Or for that matter, they would follow the Holy Father’s directive on the Motu Proprio instead of saying “we have one TLM, and that is enough for an entire diocese.” That would be the day. The question is not if the Traditional Latin Mass will bring the SSPX to the Catholic faith, [edited by Moderator].

For some SSPX, that will undoubtedly be true, but it remains that the majority of SSPX did not go off with its more radical offshoots, e.g., SSPV. And, certainly, the USCCB is so badly in need of reform that it would probably be easier to simply dissolve it for ten years and start again when, hopefully, most of the modernist bishops will have left the scene and been replaced by better men.

 

[deigloriam]

I think the SSPX will end up back fully inside the Church, as an order/fraternity like the FSSP or ICK. Some priests and parishioners won’t accept it, and will either join a group like the SSPV or start some other group like it. Most will end up back one way or another, as most are just Catholics who believe the things Catholics have always believed.
And in reference to some earlier posts, please don’t kid yourself that we would have the TLM without the SSPX. If it weren’t for them you’d have a few “independent” chapels, slowly dying off.

 

[otjm]

I think the SSPX will end up back fully inside the Church, as an order/fraternity like the FSSP or ICK. Some priests and parishioners won’t accept it, and will either join a group like the SSPV or start some other group like it. Most will end up back one way or another, as most are just Catholics who believe the things Catholics have always believed.
And in reference to some earlier posts, please don’t kid yourself that we would have the TLM without the SSPX. If it weren’t for them you’d have a few “independent” chapels, slowly dying off.

I am not convinced that there would be no TLM coming back, as this is an issue that has not set well witht eh Current Pope from long before he was elected. He had written aboyut the issue when he was a Cardinal. That it may have assisted, I would agree, but we are to an extent playing a guessing game as to what he would have done without the issue of reconciling the SSPX.

As to most coming back, theycertainly are not coming back if they thing tht the Church is in serious error due to Vatcan 2 and its legitimate implementation of the various documnets (I am not interested in a side discussion of the "spirit of Vatican 2 issues). They strongly disagree, for example, with the document concerning ecumenical issues and they disagree with the Church entering into this area. That is ony one example, and I am seriously concerned whether or not they have been mislead by allegations that what have been abuses azre directly due to the Council itself.

Given the open and outright rejection of the OF by so many, it is more than just a simple issue of “give then the EF and they will come back”. It gts down to the legitimate exercise of authority by the Church, coupled with an often very limited understanding of doctrineal issues that approaches caricature.

 

[DustinsDad]

…They strongly disagree, for example, with the document concerning ecumenical issues and they disagree with the Church entering into this area. That is only one example, and I am seriously concerned whether or not they have been mislead by allegations that what have been abuses are directly due to the Council itself…

Disagreeing the Council documents concerning such issues is understandable - because it is related to how they have been implemented/practiced since the Council. It’s hard to differenciate an erroneous “Spirit of the Council” interpretation from the “traditional Catholic” interpretation of the documents when too many within the Church seem to interpret and practice them in light of the former.

I think what the SSPX is wanting is to sit down and talk about these things before “reaching an agreement”, whereas the Vatican officials (according to what I’ve read/heard) has said, “Let’s reach an agreement and then we’ll talk about these things.”

What the SSPX fears is that they could “make an agreement” (which I would assume mean full recognition with excommunications lifted) - and then be right back where they were a couple of decades ago and being forced either back to where they are now, or forced to take part in/accept practices they see as harmful to the faith.

This is all just second hand opinoins by one lay Catholic fella based on what he’s heard and read from various sources - I could stand to be corrected. All I know is, when and if these theological discussions on the Council documents ever take place - I’d love to be a “fly on the wall”. Would be very, very interesting.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

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[TuEsPetrus]

Their priests always, ask for facultys from the local ordinary. in which they set up A chapel…This is not well known…but shows they do not have a schismatic mentality…I say God bless them.
if it were not for them, We wouldnt be seeing this M.P. I promise you that.

I have attended their chapels, good people, great Holy Priests. An edifying, experience…I may go again in the future…And no one will stop me…Or convince me that it is wrong to do so…

Good job, there is nothing wrong with being Catholic. If anyone wants to stop you from doing that what is sacred, know that it is wrong. By their fruits you shall know them, after such a long time you would see the evil fruits that everyone speaks about by now. SSPX trads. are good and they try their best to be the best they can be and serve God faithfully. Their priest are so overworked and work so hard to give the sacraments. One of the SSPX priest is like 4 or 5 Novus Ordo priest in the sense of ecclesial duties. In the Cathedrals they dont have every day confession only once a week or twice if your luky for a community of like about 10000 faithful is ridiculous . Where in my SSPX chapel every day confessions and if you ask the priest he will give it to you as long as he does not have something extremely important. The chapel is only about 250-450 Faithful. Lol . Catholic should stop fighting Catholics. Trads are no different than good Novus Ordo faithful. Only difference we worship with the Mass of the Saints every time we attend mass, and not every other week or once a month if your luky =-*(. That is the only thing that makes us special besides that we eat same foods and attend to our daily duties of life just liek you. Family and so on.