Do you vaccinate?

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Threads about this come up rather frequently.

We do vaccinate, on the normal schedule (we’re in the US). Our pediatrician’s office already uses ethically derived vaccines where they are available. When I brought up our concerns, he said he understood but still strongly recommended we get MMR for our kids (which has no alternative in the US) because cases have been popping up where we live. We followed his advice and feel no moral quandary about it, although of course it would be better if there were an ethical alternative available.
 
We vaccinate. With reservations. And that may change for us in the future. And I don’t pass judgement on those who choose to not vaccinate or who choose to vaccinate. I think most parents are honestly doing what they feel is best for their families. We have good friends who do not vaccinate and those that do. I respect each of them equally.

The decision to either vaccinate or not vaccinate for us would not be based on a far removed fetus.
 
Far removed fetus? It’s not far removed if your injecting your kid w/ her DNA.
Also there shouldn’t be a statute of limitations on murder.

We only get the ethical vaccines. I hope they do start to offer the Measles and Mumps again.

I was wondering if anyone could comment on how wide spread the knowledge is of how these vaccines are derived? I have met very few people who know. They do seem to care when it is all explained.
 
sherimarie said:
Why is the subject banned? Where should this topic be? 🤷
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I’m not sure it’s allowed anywhere, though the post does specifically mention Family Life/Parenting.

At a guess, it’s probably banned because this is one of those topics that by page 2 degenerate into a fairly uncharitable screaming match that goes on for twenty-odd pages and results in bans/suspensions getting handed 'round like mince pies at Christmas. 😉 If you don’t believe me, do a brief search. shudder

Much of the issue at hand is based on the fact that the Church doesn’t take a specific stance on this officially beyond “there should be ethical vaccines made available, lobby the appropriate people for them, and then accept responsibility for your decision–i.e., to vax or not to vax–either way.” (See here: cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.htm )

Therefore, Catholics of good faith can disagree on this point, speaking strictly from a theological standpoint. And oh, DO THEY. 😛
 
We don’t vax (but we did our first child).

I didn’t notice if the topic is still banned or not, but we aren’t allowed to give medical advice.
 
sherimarie said:
Why is the subject banned? Where should this topic be? 🤷
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Childhood vaccination/immunization in itself is not banned. What is banned is anything resembling medical advice. This would include discussions of efficacy, side effects, risks associated with vaccination, and risks of not vaccinating. I suspect the ban covers both personal health and public health aspects. Also personal accounts related to the above.

I believe CAF does not prohibit discussion of the morality of vaccine production (some vaccines are manufactured with cell cultures derived from two fetuses who were aborted long ago), or discussion of vaccination laws and politics. However, such discussions are likely to stray into medical advice and personal accounts of medical issues.

We’ll see how this thread goes.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
We vaccinate. With reservations. And that may change for us in the future. And I don’t pass judgement on those who choose to not vaccinate or who choose to vaccinate. I think most parents are honestly doing what they feel is best for their families. We have good friends who do not vaccinate and those that do. I respect each of them equally.

The decision to either vaccinate or not vaccinate for us would not be based on a far removed fetus.
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They are taking cells from someone who was murdered. Would you be fine with using the cells from a born baby that had been killed by their mother and had been dead for a long time?
 
pensmama87 said:
Threads about this come up rather frequently.

We do vaccinate, on the normal schedule (we’re in the US). Our pediatrician’s office already uses ethically derived vaccines where they are available. When I brought up our concerns, he said he understood but still strongly recommended we get MMR for our kids (which has no alternative in the US) because cases have been popping up where we live. We followed his advice and feel no moral quandary about it, although of course it would be better if there were an ethical alternative available.
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Is this allowed by the Church? The end does not justify the means
 
My understanding is that the cell lines do come from children who were aborted. However, they were not aborted for the purpose of developing these vaccines, and the cells in these vaccines are not cells that were ever part of the child.

It is still morally reprehensible that it happened, but the cooperation is remote, and parents can make the decision to vaccinate, knowing the need to protect against communicable diseases, without fearing being culpable in sin.

It is my opinion that the best thing for consumers to do is inform other consumers about the unfortunate origins of these vaccines, and agitate companies to come up with better solutions that are not morally questionable.
 
cena said:
Is this allowed by the Church? The end does not justify the means
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The Church does not ask us to remove from our lives every single thing that may be there because of a wrong done to another person. Otherwise I’d have to pack up and move back to Europe (at least), because the only reason I’m here is because the people who used to live where I live were forcibly removed so people who looked like me could settle here. I’d have to forego shopping at most stores because of the possibility of undocumented, forced, or child labor, whether that’s groceries, clothing, or other consumer goods. 🤷

Someone will dig up the specific Church document on vaccines, I’m sure, but it’s up to parents to weigh the benefits of vaccination against the origins of the vaccines, and parents can make the moral decision to protect their children even when the vaccines were derived under immoral circumstances. That sin belongs to the scientists, not the parents.
 
cena said:
They are taking cells from someone who was murdered. Would you be fine with using the cells from a born baby that had been killed by their mother and had been dead for a long time?
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Most medicine is derived from some form of death or murder. I have no qualms using power from a power grid that has a nuclear reactor in it just because the science behind it was developed to kill.🤷
 
All three of my kids got the full vaccine program.
I do pass judgement on parents who don’t vax. I think they’re foolish and I don’t respect their decision.
 
on_the_hill said:
All three of my kids got the full vaccine program.
I do pass judgement on parents who don’t vax. I think they’re foolish and I don’t respect their decision.
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Same here.

I’ve always been a huge supporter of vaccines. I remember just before my husband and I got married…my husband and MIL-to-be were somewhat floored and question my insistence on vaccinations.

After explaining that the autism “link” was a complete myth and based around shoddy research that has since been totally de-bunked and several stories of taking little kids who had contracted Pertussis and one who had picked up Meningitis while I worked on my ambulance and exactly what “herd-mentality” was designed for and what it meant to protect babies and children with compromised immunity…it quieted them down a bit.

It was the absolute one thing that was a non-negotiable within my marriage…that I would never concede to.
The kids would be vaccinated on the schedule recommended by the CDC and their pediatrician….end of story.

I do think it’s irresponsible parenting for kids to not be vaccinated.
While I don’t think it’s the up to the government to make this decision…I do think that the personal, religious and philosophical waivers should be done away with and that no public school should admit a child who is not vaccinated.
Homeschooling and private schools and different, of course.

From what I understand…it’s very difficult to go to college and impossible to live on campus without a proof of vaccinations….especially for things like meningitis.
 
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