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Good morning.

Please, I have a question –the other day I made the question but I don’t find the answer, perhaps I don’t published well.

Does the Catholic catechism is the Doctrine?

1-The Pope is infallible when he speaks of faith and morals.
2-All the Catechism speaks of faith and morals
3 - All the Catechism is infallible?

P.D.: Sorry my misspellig, I really don’t speak English, I use Translator.
I’m really Catholic, I know Catholicism it’s true, but I don’t know some reasons of my faith
 
Good morning.

Please, I have a question –the other day I made the question but I don’t find the answer, perhaps I don’t published well.

Does the Catholic catechism is the Doctrine?

1-The Pope is infallible when he speaks of faith and morals.
2-All the Catechism speaks of faith and morals
3 - All the Catechism is infallible?

P.D.: Sorry my misspellig, I really don’t speak English, I use Translator.
I’m really Catholic, I know Catholicism it’s true, but I don’t know some reasons of my faith
the Catheciism does not exist by itself. It is a Summary of the Dctrine of Faith made for the lay people to know. there are several Cathecisms made along the times, according to the wishes of the Pope to emphasize such or such aspect of the Church. I studied through the Cthachis of Pius X, which was organized in questions and answers.

I did not put my eyes in today’s cathecism but when puts the question as you put, I wonder why did you ask that question.

For me, the cathecism is a book worth of wonder and attention but let 's not confuse with the Papal Authority. It is another question completely different. No Pope would proclaim a cathechism “ex cathedra”.

It is just for the common persons to use when they have no time to study the whole Christian Books. Only St. Thomas of Aquinas is 20 volumes !!!
 
The Catechism of the Cathoic Church is a summary of the truths of our faith. It is not “ex cathedra” teaching, but since it was created by bishops and approved by the pope I consider it accurate. It has been an effective reference for me for many years. The textbooks we use in our ninth and tenth grade reigion class are based on the catechism. We study morality and the creed as presented in the catechism.

Paragraph 891 teaches that the pope is infallible when" he procaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals." He is also infallible when exercising “the supreme magisterium,” together with the bishops. The magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church.

All the catechism concerns faith and morals. That’s a broad subject. It concerns our whole life.

I hope this translates well. Please ask if you don’t understand.
 
Thank You Pfaffenhoffen and Hecares for your answers.

I must understand:

1-- “Catechism is not “ex cathedra” teaching”

But, …other true is:

2—Catechism is Doctrine AND Doctrine published in a book is: Doctrine proclaimed… and “All the catechism concerns faith and morals”. THEN… if Catechism is Doctrine proclaimed=Catechism in infallible

…THEN:

Catechism in infallible= Catechism is ex cathedra (100% sure and without any error)

3----Then, my questions (it’s important for me, please, answer directly yes o no):

A) ¿Can be catechism infallible but no ex cathedra? All Ex cathedra is infallible, and all infallible it’s because is ex cathedra.

B) All in the Catechism is infallible?

C) All Doctrine is infallible (without error) ?

P.D: Please don’t thinks that I’m against the Catechism, NO! I’m 100% Catholic
 
The Catechism itself is not an infallible, ex cathedra document. However, it does contain infallible teachings. As Pfaffenhoffen said, it is a summary of Catholic doctrine. The authority of each teaching articulated in the Catechism comes from the source documents (ecumenical councils, magisterial documents, etc.).

In other words, the teaching is not infallible simple by nature of being in the Catechism but that does not mean those teachings are not infallible. I would say that most (if not all) of them are infallible.

In any case, John Paul II called the Catechism a “sure nore for teaching the faith.” So I think it is a potentially damaging exercise for the average Catholic to go sifting through trying to decide which parts they have to believe. Believe it all! You can’t go wrong. 👍
 
A) ¿Can be catechism infallible but no ex cathedra? All Ex cathedra is infallible, and all infallible it’s because is ex cathedra.
All ex cathedra statements are infallible, but not all infallible doctrines are ex cathedra statements. Ex cathedra refers to those statements made by the Pope in specific circumstances. It does not include things like ecumenical councils (which are infallible).
B) All in the Catechism is infallible?
For all intents and purposes, Yes.
C) All Doctrine is infallible (without error) ?
I guess I’m not sure exactly what you’re asking here. Heresy is simply a false doctrine. So just because someone labels something as “doctrine” does not make it infallible unless it is the Church that labels it “doctrine”.
 
Thanks you very much Joe:

1

“The Catechism itself is not an infallible, ex cathedra document. However, it does contain infallible teachings.”

“All ex cathedra statements are infallible, but not all infallible doctrines are ex cathedra statements. Ex cathedra refers to those statements made by the Pope in specific circumstances. It does not include things like ecumenical councils (which are infallible).”

-How do you know that can be infallible documents that it’s not write for the Pope?

-For example, ¿why ecumenical councils are infallible?

-How do you know? ¿where is it written that “ecumenical councils are infallible”? sure?

-Not all infallible things are proclaimed by the Pope, ¿sure?

-Not all infallible things are ex cathedra, ¿sure 100%?

2
“All in the Catechism is infallible? For all intents and purposes, Yes.”

“In other words, the teaching is not infallible simple by nature of being in the Catechism but that does not mean those teachings are not infallible. I would say that most (if not all) of them are infallible.”

-Then in the Catechism: there are things infallibles and thing no-infallibles, ¿yes?
-And in the Doctrine Catholic there are things infallibles and thing no-infallibles, ¿ca nit be?

3

-Then it is the Church that labels it “doctrine” then all that Church labels it “doctrine” , it beings infallible?
 
Number 2035:
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P74.HTM

2035 The supreme degree of participation in the authority of Christ is ensured by the charism of infallibility. This infallibility extends as far as does the deposit of divine Revelation; it also extends to all those elements of doctrine, including morals, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, explained, or observed.77

Then:

A)- ALL doctrine is infallible but no all doctrine is ex cathedra

or

B) ONLY the Doctrine that includes moral ir infallible

C) Other questions: All Doctrine talk about moral, no?
 
Good morning.

Please, I have a question –the other day I made the question but I don’t find the answer, perhaps I don’t published well.

Does the Catholic catechism is the Doctrine?

1-The Pope is infallible when he speaks of faith and morals.
2-All the Catechism speaks of faith and morals
3 - All the Catechism is infallible?

P.D.: Sorry my misspellig, I really don’t speak English, I use Translator.
I’m really Catholic, I know Catholicism it’s true, but I don’t know some reasons of my faith
From an EWTN question and response:

Doctrine. The word doctrine comes, by way of the Latin doctrina, from the Greek word doxa, meaning belief. The doctrine(s) of the Church, therefore, are those teachings which must be believed by the faithful. These include 1) dogmas, teachings which the Church has solemnly defined as formally revealed by God, and, 2) other teachings definitively proposed by the Church because they are connected to solemnly defined teachings. The first (dogmas) can be called doctrines of divine faith, the second doctrines of catholic faith. Together they are said to be “of divine and catholic faith.” Both kinds of doctrine require the assent of faith. Both are infallibly taught by the Church. Dogmas require it because they are formally revealed by God. Doctrines definitively proposed by the Church require it, because the infallibility of the Church in matters of faith and morals is itself divinely revealed. A side note, doctrine shares the same root as orthodox, meaning correct belief. Those who hold the Church’s doctrines faithfully are thus orthodox.

Dogma. Dogmas, therefore, are those doctrines solemnly proposed by the Church as formally revealed in Scripture or Tradition. This may have been done by papal pronouncement (Pius IX: Immaculate Conception), by a General Council (Chalcedon: Christ is two natures in one Divine Person), or by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (killing an innocent human being is gravely immoral).

Definitively Proposed. Doctrines that are definitively proposed are no less certain, even though they are not proposed as formally revealed by God. They are connected to dogmas, however, by either historical or logical connection. An example of logical necessity would be the reservation of priesthood to men in the witness of Scripture and Tradition. The Church has not yet taught that it was formally revealed by God, but such dogmatization is possible. Papal infallibility was similarly infallibly taught by the Church before it was proposed as formally revealed by God. An example of historical necessity would be the election of a Pope or the celebration of a General Council. While a portion of the Church could elect an antipope, or hold a false council, the Church as a whole could not err in this way without compromising Christ’s revealed promise to be with the Church until the end of time.

Infallible. As noted above, all that the Church teaches as being of “divine and catholic faith” is taught infallibly. Infallibility is not limnited, therefore, to extraordinary acts of proposing dogmas, whether by popes or councils. Those looking to believe only such “infallible” statements deceive themselves. In both the category of divinely revealed and definitively proposed doctrines there are many which are taught only by the ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Church. This means that the Church has “always and everywhere” taught it as true, and, therefore, that the contrary position has never been taught. Perhaps, the most debated example is contraception. At no time in history has the Church taught that contraception is morally licit. Whenever in the Fathers, Doctors or the Magisterium it has been discussed it has always been as an evil. There is no formal declaration, no extraordinary act, but it is certainly infallibly taught from the beginning of the Church, to Paul VI, to today.

Authoritative. Finally, the Church teaches things which are neither proposed as formally revealed or definitively proposed. This is the category of authoritative teaching. Anything in the Catechism or a pope’s writings and addresses that is not “of divine and catholic faith” if clearly meant to take a position, without deciding it by proposing it as revealed or as definitive, is authoritively taught. It should receive “religious obedience of intellect and will,” as opposed to the assent of faith. Such obedience is an act of justice. It shows the respect Catholics owe the Pope, and it humbly acknowledges that by charism and grace of vocation the Pope is more likely to be right than those who disagree with him. As Vatican II noted, the weight to be given such teaching is “according to the mind and the will manifested; this is shown especially by the nature of the documents, by the frequent repetition of the same doctrine, or by the tenor of the verbal expression.” Thus, more weight would have to be given to something taught many times by successive popes than to something taught once by one pope.
 
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