Does a Catholic women have a God given right to work (Have a Career)

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tafan said:
I was referring more to the subdue the earth part.
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If we read Genesis we see that the Earth watered itself. Also man was not an enemy of animals.

Playing with legos is not work to me.
 
Linux said:
Does a Catholic women have a God given right to work (Have a Career).
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Dear Linux,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

There is, dear friend, nothing unbefitting or undesirable with a unmarried woman pursuing her own career or earning her own living, indeed she must do so if she is not to be a financial burden upon the welfare state or her own family. However, a woman should not deliberately shun entering into holy wedlock so that she can selfishly pursue a career and enjoy a feckless life of gaiety. That sort of mindset hardly sits comfortable with the spirit of Catholicism, which is to raise godly seed for the next generation - “I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house” (I Tim. 5: 14) and be “keepers at home” (Titus 2: 5). St. Paul would have young women assume their divinely ordained role of being a full-time wife and mother. Besides, the constant strain of domestic duties, as every mother knows, is wont to make women irritable and disagreeable, which is why, if marital tensions are to be avoided, they should not attempt to combine motherhood with a job outside of the home. How Catholics need to counter the prevalent aggressive disparagement of full-time home-makers. Home building is potentially of greater importance than having a job, for the hand that rocks the cradle still rules the world, and the sad break-up of domestic life is one of the great sicknesses of our society. Please God it may not be unto death.

Unfortunately, dear friend, since the permissive revolution of the Sixties, the misguided feminist lobby have unrelentingly urged married women to abandon the domestic hearth and enter the world of work. Their unwholesome message has been, “be agressive, be assertive, don’t enter socially sanctioned relationships, like marriage. Rather be out there and be a contender with men, taking them on. Don’t focus on having a family for that is to be a failure as a woman. Seek to be independent, not dependant upon some man for everything”. This has had a phenomenal negative impact upon family life and the damage which this subversive ideology has occasioned has yet to be truly calculated.

As godless radical feminism brainwashes women of the superior rewards of work outside of the home, the more that married women will want to seek it and this can only have a jolly huge impact on men’s opportunities. How sad today that in many households you have both spouses going out to work, whilst in others the poor husband cannot even find one job to provide for his family. Moreover, who can honestly deny that the modern set up of both spouses working has not contributed to inflation and a dearth of affordable housing. House prices inevitably reflect the joint-incomes that are now so common, making it exceedingly difficult for poor one wage families to purchase a home, meaning that they must pay exorbitant rents to private landlords. Then again, married women claiming a high career profile for themselves has eroded their husbands sense of responsiblilty as the breadwinner, which in modern households tends to be shared as a matter of equality. Moreover, unemployment bears heavily on men and they can, over a protracted period of time, suffer a complete mental breakdown under its demoralizing influence. Thus many have suffered much as a consquence of the departure from the biblical and Catholic family paradigm of a full-time woman homemaker, with the husband being the sole breadwinner.

It is dear friend, about time that contemporary Catholics think about the immense amount of damage done to family life by the godless ideology of radical feminism. A breadwinning husband and a full-time home-making wife gave stability to both the family and the wider society and in forsaking it we have reaped a bitter harvest in terms of family breakdown and ungovernable children. Only by the diminuition of Christian principles could our present chaotic and unhappy situation have emerged - a situation in which children often come home to empty houses (‘latch key children’) and where mothers are no longer present as full-time guides and carers to counsel and console.

Certainly, dear friend, motherhood will not be the calling of every Catholic women, but it is the normal calling and there is a jolly big difference between a consecrated single life and a single life intentionally chosen for unspiritual materialistic reasons.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
InJesusItrust said:
If we read Genesis we see that the Earth watered itself. Also man was not an enemy of animals.

Playing with legos is not work to me.
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Well, we even have one explicit task man had to perform for God before the fall, naming all of the animals.
We also have JP II’s encyclical on labor LABOREM EXERCENS:

**The Church is convinced that work is a fundamental dimension of man’s existence on earth. She is confirmed in this conviction by considering the whole heritage of the many sciences devoted to man: anthropology, palaeontology, history, sociology, psychology and so on; they all seem to bear witness to this reality in an irrefutable way. But the source of the Church’s conviction is above all the revealed word of God, and therefore what is a conviction of the intellect is also a conviction of faith. The reason is that the Church-and it is worthwhile stating it at this point-believes in man: she thinks of man and addresses herself to him not only in the light of historical experience, not only with the aid of the many methods of scientific knowledge, but in the first place in the light of the revealed word of the living God. Relating herself to man, she seeks to express the eternal designs and transcendent destiny which the living God, the Creator and Redeemer, has linked with him.

The Church finds in the very first pages ofthe Book of Genesis the source of her conviction that work is a fundamental dimension of human existence on earth. An analysis of these texts makes us aware that they express-sometimes in an archaic way of manifesting thought-the fundamental truths about man, in the context of the mystery of creation itelf. These truths are decisive for man from the very beginning, and at the same time they trace out the main lines of his earthly existence, both in the state of original justice and also after the breaking, caused by sin, of the Creator’s original covenant with creation in man. When man, who had been created "in the image of God… male and female"9, hears the words: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it"10, even though these words do not refer directly and explicitly to work, beyond any doubt they indirectly indicate it as an activity for man to carry out in the world. Indeed, they show its very deepest essence. Man is the image of God partly through the mandate received from his Creator to subdue, to dominate, the earth. In carrying out this mandate, man, every human being, reflects the very action of the Creator of the universe.**
 
But it is creative work. It was not hard labor. It’s a bit like writing or painting, isn’t it?
 
SnakeMauler said:
EVERYONE has a God given right to life and the pursuit of happiness- and in order to pursue these things, money is needed, and money is obtained through working. thus, in some ways, EVERYONE has the God given right to work.
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BillP said:
Pope J-P II thought they did:

ewtn.com/library/encyc/jp2labor.htm
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InJesusItrust said:
But it is creative work. It was not hard labor. It’s a bit like writing or painting, isn’t it?
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Exactly. ‘Work’ does not equate merely to ‘paid labour’.
 
Linux said:
Does a Catholic women have a God given right to work (Have a Career).
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Considering that women aren’t even allowed to be priests after a good 1500 years of them asking to, I’d say that Catholicism doesn’t think too highly of women.

They only care about the mindless eggs that women tend to incubate.
 
Gaerteuth said:
Considering that women aren’t even allowed to be priests after a good 1500 years of them asking to, I’d say that Catholicism doesn’t think too highly of women.

They only care about the mindless eggs that women tend to incubate.
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I agree wholeheartedly!

Now I wonder why the Church teachers the most perfect solely human person was a woman… hmmm… that seems a little inconsistent with their obvious misogyny! 😉

Come on Gaerteuth, do you honestly think that women can’t be priests in the Catholic Church because the Church doesn’t think highly of women? I guess you have to say the same about the Orthodox and the Coptics and the Ancient Jews.
 
Many of these are relevant to the question:
 
Linux said:
Does a Catholic women have a God given right to work (Have a Career).
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“right to work” is a code word for not having to join a labor union.

Apart from that … does the OP mean … that … if a Catholic woman has a right to work, then does that mean that she can bump someone else out of a job that is already filled?

Usually, a “right” means some sort of priority over other people.

Does a Catholic woman have a God given right to use sharp elbows to knock other people out of the way? And then exercise some other right and just walk away with no responsibility for the damage and chaos left behind.

Help me out here … I’m kind of struggling with the meaning of the words that were chosen for the OP.

Not being flippant … just trying to figure out what the meaning of the chosen words is/are.

Precision in wording can avoid the creation of misunderstandings.
 
Linux said:
Careers are simply a manifestation of peoples recognition of conditions which allow them to develop their work potential and therefore strengthen their ability to manifest positive conditions; we have a natural right to develop our work potential whenever possible. We have a natural right to produce wealth. This is good and therefore we have right to pursue it.

The fact that its only a relatively recent phenomena that middle class people were in a position to obtain is clearly not evidence against the idea that we have a natural right to pursue a career. Your reasoning is faulty.
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In CFO magazine a few years back, women were complaining that they wanted fulfilling careers … the problem is that men want the same thing and very few men got to have fulfilling careers either.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Help me out here … I’m kind of struggling with the meaning of the words that were chosen for the OP.
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Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church:
Work is a fundamental right and a good for mankind, a useful good, worthy of man because it is an appropriate way for him to give expression to and enhance his human dignity. The Church teaches the value of work not only because it is always something that belongs to the person but also because of its nature as something necessary. Work is needed to form and maintain a family, to have a right to property, to contribute to the common good of the human family. In considering the moral implications that the question of work has for social life, the Church cannot fail to indicate unemployment as a “real social disaster”, above all with regard to the younger generations.

Work is a good belonging to all people and must be made available to all who are capable of engaging in it. “Full employment” therefore remains a mandatory objective for every economic system oriented towards justice and the common good. A society in which the right to work is thwarted or systematically denied, and in which economic policies do not allow workers to reach satisfactory levels of employment, “cannot be justified from an ethical point of view, nor can that society attain social peace”. An important role and, consequently, a particular and grave responsibility in this area falls to “indirect employers”, that is, those subjects — persons or institutions of various types — in a position to direct, at the national or international level, policies concerning labour and the economy…

The feminine genius is needed in all expressions in the life of society, therefore the presence of women in the workplace must also be guaranteed. The first indispensable step in this direction is the concrete possibility of access to professional formation. The recognition and defence of women’s rights in the context of work generally depend on the organization of work, which must take into account the dignity and vocation of women, whose “true advancement … requires that labour should be structured in such a way that women do not have to pay for their advancement by abandoning what is specific to them”. This issue is the measure of the quality of society and its effective defence of women’s right to work.

The persistence of many forms of discrimination offensive to the dignity and vocation of women in the area of work is due to a long series of conditioning that penalizes women, who have seen “their prerogatives misrepresented” and themselves “relegated to the margins of society and even reduced to servitude”. These difficulties, unfortunately, have not been overcome, as is demonstrated wherever there are situations that demoralize women, making them objects of a very real exploitation. An urgent need to recognize effectively the rights of women in the workplace is seen especially under the aspects of pay, insurance and social security.
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aspirant:
How does that work in real life?

Do Catholic women have superior rights over non-Catholic women?

What happens to all those good thoughts when U-6 is up around 15%?

All of the dignified jobs go to women; and the undignified jobs go to the men?

In the former Soviet Union, women swept the streets.

Actually, in all of the Muslim countries I have lived in [a lot of them], the streets are swept by Christian women.

The lack of precision in the wording is problematic.

I mean, if women want to make money AND have a flexible schedule, then the best course of action is commission sales.

Women do better than men in commission sales.

But it’s not very dignified. And usually you get paid on a 1099, so … no benefits and you pay both halves of Social Security. No vacations. You don’t work, you don’t make sales, you don’t get paid.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
How does that work in real life?
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Blessed John Paul II:
Above all, it is indispensable that {the lay faithful} have a more exact knowledge --and this demands a more widespread and precise presentation-- of the Church’s social doctrine, as repeatedly stressed by the Synod Fathers in their presentations. They refer to the participation of the lay faithful in public life, in the following words: “But for the lay faithful to take up actively this noble purpose in political matters, it is not enough to exhort them. They must be offered a proper formation of a social conscience, especially in the Church’s social teaching, which contains principles – of reflection, criteria for judging and practical directives (cf. Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Instruction of Christian Freedom and Liberation, 72), and which must be present in general catechetical instruction and in specialized gatherings, as well as in schools and universities. Nevertheless, this social doctrine of the Church is dynamic; that is, adapted to circumstances of time and place. It is the right and duty of Pastors to propose moral principles even concerning the social order and of all Christians to apply them in defence of human rights. Nevertheless, active participation in political parties is reserved to the lay faithful”.
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Portrait said:
However, a woman should not deliberately shun entering into holy wedlock so that she can selfishly pursue a career and enjoy a feckless life of gaiety.
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You recognize, of course, that some women are called to single life, so this is a matter of avoiding one’s vocation. The same applies to men.
St. Paul would have young women assume their divinely ordained role of being a full-time wife and mother.
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The Church does not teach that married women cannot work.
Besides, the constant strain of domestic duties,
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Domestic duties may be spread around the family.
Then again, married women claiming a high career profile for themselves has eroded their husbands sense of responsiblilty as the breadwinner, which in modern households tends to be shared as a matter of equality.
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The Church does not teach that the husband is responsible for the income while the wife is not.
A breadwinning husband and a full-time home-making wife gave stability to both the family and the wider society and in forsaking it we have reaped a bitter harvest in terms of family breakdown and ungovernable children.
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You are not in a position to claim what makes individual families stable.
 
Baelor said:
The Church does not teach that married women cannot work.

Domestic duties may be spread around the family.

The Church does not teach that the husband is responsible for the income while the wife is not.
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Linux said:
Does a Catholic women have a God given right to work (Have a Career).
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Absolutely! Contrary to some opinions women do have brains Many women find more intellectual stimulation is needed than that available in the home.
 
Linux said:
Does a Catholic women have a God given right to work (Have a Career).
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You know whats interesting? My post here was actually censored and removed from this forum because I pointed out that the church doesn’t even allow women to be priests.

That sounds an awful lot like embarrassment to me.
 
Gaerteuth said:
You know whats interesting? My post here was actually censored and removed from this forum because I pointed out that the church doesn’t even allow women to be priests.

That sounds an awful lot like embarrassment to me.
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How is that an embarrassment?
 
CaptBell800 said:
How is that an embarrassment?
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It’s embarrassment in that whoever censored my post is just in too much denial to accept the blunt fact that I laid down on the table.

The church still does not allow women to administrate the faith via priesthood.
 
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