Does a private vow have to be made in front of a priest?

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I never said private vows weren’t a big deal or that they don’t have merit. I said they can’t be received by a priest and shouldn’t be pronounced aloud at Mass so as not to confuse people about the difference between vows received by the Church and those that are simply private.

The Benedictine Oblates are not a Secular Institute. A secular institute is an institute of consecrated life which has semi-public vows in that the vows are received by the Church and the person is truly consecrated even though they remain in the lay state. Oblates, on the other hand, are associates of the Benedictine Order and have ties to them but are not consecrated.

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If you are a female virgin and physically disabled, you may want to consider becoming a consecrated (sacred) virgin. Sacred virgins have a marriage bond with Christ and do not need tip top health to become espoused to Him by their bishop. One of the sacred virgins I met in Rome appeared to be quadriplegic and was in a wheelchair with an attendant. Another in Italy suffers from Downs Syndrome, but has enough intellectual ability to assume the obligations of this vocation. Just to be clear, sacred virginity is not a private vocation. It’s public and in the consecrated state. It was the first vocation other than marriage for woman, Our Lady being the first to be made a sacred virgin by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit.

Another possible official Church vocation besides sacred virginity is diocesan eremitic life. The hermit makes semi-public vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience and the bishop is his/her legitimate superior. Some hermits are physically disabled. Because they don’t live a communal life like religious, they also don’t need to be in tip top health because their illness will not make common life difficult for oneself or others.

The Church wants the formality to be reserved to things She recognizes. So for a priest to witness a vow unofficially, it should be done in an unofficial setting- in the rectory, in a private chapel, at the home of the person making the vow surrounded by some close friends. Why? Because the Church doesn’t formally recognize private vows. It’s kind of like a private army. A private army can wear uniforms that don’t match a country’s official uniform (just like any company can have uniforms) but they can’t expect to be saluted by real soldiers or be addressed by titles or ranks because they have no standing in any country. Does that make any sense? For the Church to make a private vow formal would be to make it a public vow which is against the whole concept of a private vow.

One reason it is essential to learn the theology of the vows is that people really underestimate the vows of baptism. Lay people have a very special place in the Church and unfortunately, improper teaching about vows makes people think they are second class citizens of the Church if they don’t make any. It is true that the vow of chastity does make one closer to Christ (the state of celibacy is greater than marriage) but one has to truly grasp WHY one would undertake the renunciation of marriage on a permanent basis before thinking of making such a commitment. People can and have become saints, gifted mystics without making any vows or receiving anything beyond baptism and confirmation.
Thanks for the clarification and I did email my diosese about more info on consecrated virginity and the process. I have read you at least need to be 30 yrs of age so it could be an option I have time to discern and really find my vocation I’m 28. I’m big on learning everything can about vocations religious life. I’ve been researching awhile so I appreciate the (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
My own private vows had nothing really to do directly with religious life. My vocation was probably for me quite personally in potential anyway formally first recognized in this:

That set me off more or less on the path of research. When very gingerly and cautiously I first raised the matter of living under the evangelical counsels in a way that would be more demanding than in the ordinary course and with my own rule of life - and raised it with my then confessor and director, (priest religious theologian living and lecturing in our seminary at that time) and some 35 years or more ago, I had no idea that there was such a thing as private vows. He informed me out of which flowed my understanding that the evangelical counsels of poverty, chastity and obedience was the path that Jesus took.

Certainly, I view my private vows as directly linked to my baptism alone. Being called (or summonsed which is a beautiful term to me used in the Mass) to be a baptised Catholic is most truly the greatest honour I have ever received, or could ever receive. It is also a great responsibility and accountability for me since from baptism flows so many Graces
I did not know about private vows either I am learning so much and have a lot more to learn. I love my faith and God and I feel he is pulling to live a religious whether it’s consecrated vows or private.
 
I did not know about private vows either I am learning so much and have a lot more to learn. I love my faith and God and I feel he is pulling to live a religious whether it’s consecrated vows or private.
May God richly bless your discernment journey in every way - leading you to His Invitation for your life.
Do you have a good spiritual director? - A good spiritual director is truly pure gold, invaluable, in the spiritual life. Pope Benedict did recommend spiritual direction for everyone and including those in the lay state.

Without question, I have much to learn too 👍
 
I have considered whether to wear some sort of uniform type apparel - but it sits on the “totally unsure” shelf. A uniform apparel has nothing to do with wanting to be recognised in some sort of formal way, other than that I think it extremely beautiful that we can recognise Islam in our midst through what many Moslem women do wear as head coverings.
It would be wonderful, I think, if Catholicism could be recognised in the same manner somehow as very present in the midst of general society - although I am not remotely suggesting some sort of veil since this is connected to religious life. What I have done is adopted as my only form of jewellery (other than a commitment ring) to wear a cross on a silver chain. The silver cross that I very deliberately chose is quite obviously, I think, not just an item of jewellery (as sadly many do wear today) but an emblem. Well anyway, I hope that is how it is considered. In this way, I retain my secular clothing as a lay person in secular life … and the cross “says” quite clearly, I hope, a committed to Christ lay person. This is all in line with my vocation I feel to date.
I never remove the ring or cross no matter the venue.
It is a bit sad to me that many religious have ‘hijacked’ secular clothing - while I do recognise that for many it is in line with their founder.
 
I have considered whether to wear some sort of uniform type apparel - but it sits on the “totally unsure” shelf. A uniform apparel has nothing to do with wanting to be recognised in some sort of formal way, other than that I think it extremely beautiful that we can recognise Islam in our midst through what many Moslem women do wear as head coverings.
It would be wonderful, I think, if Catholicism could be recognised in the same manner somehow as very present in the midst of general society - although I am not remotely suggesting some sort of veil since this is connected to religious life. What I have done is adopted as my only form of jewellery (other than a commitment ring) to wear a cross on a silver chain. The silver cross that I very deliberately chose is quite obviously, I think, not just an item of jewellery (as sadly many do wear today) but an emblem. Well anyway, I hope that is how it is considered. In this way, I retain my secular clothing as a lay person in secular life … and the cross “says” quite clearly, I hope, a committed to Christ lay person. This is all in line with my vocation I feel to date.
I never remove the ring or cross no matter the venue.
It is a bit sad to me that many religious have ‘hijacked’ secular clothing - while I do recognise that for many it is in line with their founder.
I always wear a ring on my left finger as A sign of chastity and my crucifix as A sign of my faith. I decided to adopt an old tradition and veil for mass even tho it’s not a common practice anymore. The reverence and symbol behind is beautiful. 🙂
 
Thanks for the clarification and I did email my diosese about more info on consecrated virginity and the process. I have read you at least need to be 30 yrs of age so it could be an option I have time to discern and really find my vocation I’m 28. I’m big on learning everything can about vocations religious life. I’ve been researching awhile so I appreciate the (name removed by moderator)ut.
I was consecrated at age 28. Some of my closer friends have been consecrated at 28 and 29. There is no official minimum age for the consecration because it’s highly dependent upon the individual’s personal maturity level. I know 40+ year olds who would not be suitable candidates and younger people in their mid-20s that could be ready. Of course, the key is your bishop who is in charge of choosing and accepting candidates for this vocation. There is also no maximum age. One could be in a nursing home and receive the consecration. We have at least one CV in the USA whom I believe was consecrated recently who is a resident in a retirement home.
 
I was consecrated at age 28. Some of my closer friends have been consecrated at 28 and 29. There is no official minimum age for the consecration because it’s highly dependent upon the individual’s personal maturity level. I know 40+ year olds who would not be suitable candidates and younger people in their mid-20s that could be ready. Of course, the key is your bishop who is in charge of choosing and accepting candidates for this vocation. There is also no maximum age. One could be in a nursing home and receive the consecration. We have at least one CV in the USA whom I believe was consecrated recently who is a resident in a retirement home.
Do you know if matters if you live at home and get medical through state etc. I want to know what the financial requirements if any etc?
 
Do you know if matters if you live at home and get medical through state etc. I want to know what the financial requirements if any etc?
The financial requirements are such that the person is able to have a reasonably secure financial future. Holding a job, living off a pension or disability income, or being the grantee of a trustee are ways of showing financial stability. What isn’t acceptable is living from hand to mouth when stress would obscure authentic discernment, for example. I would not be at all surprised that 100% of the financial and nursing support for the paraplegic virgin came from her country’s social support system. A bishop will look for the emotional and spiritual maturity of any candidate- whether able-bodied or disabled. If disabled, has she adjusted to life with disability in a grace-filled manner? Is seeking consecration an artificial crutch to feel “accepted” by the Church instead of marginalized? Is there a certain psychological wholeness present? How does she see her role in the Church now?
 
I always wear a ring on my left finger as A sign of chastity and my crucifix as A sign of my faith. I decided to adopt an old tradition and veil for mass even tho it’s not a common practice anymore. The reverence and symbol behind is beautiful. 🙂
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Lumen Gentium “Dogmatic Constituion on The Church”

(Pope Paul V1)

THE UNIVERSAL CALL TO HOLINESS IN THE CHURCH
  1. The Church, whose mystery is being set forth by this Sacred Synod, is believed to be indefectibly holy. Indeed Christ, the Son of God, who with the Father and the Spirit is praised as “uniquely holy,” (1*) loved the Church as His bride, delivering Himself up for her. He did this that He might sanctify her.(214) He united her to Himself as His own body and brought it to perfection by the gift of the Holy Spirit for God’s glory. Therefore in the Church, everyone whether belonging to the hierarchy, or being cared for by it, is called to holiness, according to the saying of the Apostle: “For this is the will of God, your sanctification”.(215)
However, this holiness of the Church is unceasingly manifested, and must be manifested, in the fruits of grace which the Spirit produces in the faithful; it is expressed in many ways in individuals, who in their walk of life, tend toward the perfection of charity, thus causing the edification of others; in a very special way this (holiness) appears in the practice of the counsels, customarily called “evangelical.” This practice of the counsels, under the impulsion of the Holy Spirit, undertaken by many Christians, either privately or in a Church-approved condition or state of life, gives and must give in the world an outstanding witness and example of this same holiness./

However one might make a private vow or vows is up to the individual and as they may feel called to do. Best done, I think, with spiritual advice, while a spiritual director cannot give permission to make a private vow or vows, they do not have this authority. They can however advise the person they direct.
One might also like to consult the Vocations Director in their diocese and/or their diocesan bishop.
No matter how a person might make vows privately to the evangelical counsels they are not in consecrated life in any way. They remain fully in every way in the lay secular state of life.
It is indeed a great honour to be called to one of the forms of consecrated life in The Church and as long as one is aware of an attraction to this state of life in some way, then I think it should be fully and prayerfully explored in every way. Certainly, any discernment journey is best travelled with spiritual direction.

Be all the above as it may, no baptised Catholic in the state of Grace is in Church Teaching in any way marginalised or ‘on the outer fringes’. A vocation and call to any of the vocations comes from God, no matter to where one is called. The focus is not on where one is called, but rather that it is God who has called to wherever He may.
 
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It is God who has called wherever He May and it is God who provides all the Graces necessary to fulfil one’s call and vocation to holiness in that particular role and path, that vocation. To God, therefore, all and any glory is in justice rightly due.
 
Lumen Gentium “Dogmatic Constituion on The Church”

(Pope Paul V1)

THE UNIVERSAL CALL TO HOLINESS IN THE CHURCH

However one might make a private vow or vows is up to the individual and as they may feel called to do. Best done, I think, with spiritual advice, while a spiritual director cannot give permission to make a private vow or vows, they do not have this authority. They can however advise the person they direct.
One might also like to consult the Vocations Director in their diocese and/or their diocesan bishop.
No matter how a person might make vows privately to the evangelical counsels they are not in consecrated life in any way. They remain fully in every way in the lay secular state of life.
It is indeed a great honour to be called to one of the forms of consecrated life in The Church and as long as one is aware of an attraction to this state of life in some way, then I think it should be fully and prayerfully explored in every way. Certainly, any discernment journey is best travelled with spiritual direction.

Be all the above as it may, no baptised Catholic in the state of Grace is in Church Teaching in any way marginalised or ‘on the outer fringes’. A vocation and call to any of the vocations comes from God, no matter to where one is called. The focus is not on where one is called, but rather that it is God who has called to wherever He may.
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