Does an unborn child go directly into heaven?

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I am involved in a friendly debate with a family member about purgatory;
What are the RCC teaching on this:

Does an unborn child go directly into heaven? If so, as an angel or a child of God?

Secondly, where does a born child, say a week old and not yet Baptized go?

Thank you,

eddie
 
The pre-VII answer would have been Limbo. I don’t think we believe this anymore but my copy of the CCC is missing from my bookshelf in the computer room.
 
They would go to Limbo because they are innocent so wouldn’t go to Purgatory. The word Limbo is from the word Limbus. There is a prayer called, “Baptism of the Unborn” that we can pray so they can go to Heaven or with a Requiem Mass. I

A week old infant unbaptized would also go to Limbo.

Oh my Jesus, forget and forgive what I have been.
 
Thank you both for answering? 🙂

I’m still a little confused…:confused:
  1. a. Does an unborn child go directly into heaven?
    b. If so, as an angel or a child of God?
  2. Where does a born child, say a week old and not yet Baptized go?
Thanks
 
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eddie:
I am involved in a friendly debate with a family member about purgatory;
What are the RCC teaching on this:

Does an unborn child go directly into heaven? If so, as an angel or a child of God?

Secondly, where does a born child, say a week old and not yet Baptized go?

Thank you,

eddie
The offical answer of the Church is “We don’t know”, but we can hope that God may have a way to salvation for these children.

Human beings do not become angels.

I believe that unborn children or children who die without Baptism could receive the Grace of Baptism by an action of God outside of the Sacrament of Baptism. But along with St. Thomas Aquinas I believe this extraordinary means of Baptismal Grace does not leave the “Mark” of Sacramental Baptism. Excluding them from the beatific vision.
 
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eddie:
Thank you both for answering? 🙂

I’m still a little confused…:confused:
  1. a. Does an unborn child go directly into heaven?
The Church doesn’t teach that they go to heaven (whether directly or non-directly). If they aren’t going to survive birth then I believe they are to be baptized if it is possible before birth (using some device to allow water to contact the baby)
b. If so, as an angel or a child of God?
Wherever they end up going they will never become an angel because God never turns human beings into angels. Humans remain humans and angels remain angels.
  1. Where does a born child, say a week old and not yet Baptized go?
I don’t know (it may perhaps also be different for different children) All I know is that the Church does not teach that they go to Heaven (neither does the Church teach that they suffer in Hell). But, as with all things, there’s no need to worry as one should have complete trust in our heavenly Father who is full of mercy.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
The offical answer of the Church is “We don’t know”, but we can hope that God may have a way to salvation for these children.
It’s not clear to me whether “salvation” refers to Heaven or just to what the word salvation means which would be health or well-being. So the salvation may actually consist in Limbo and we can certainly hope that God will give them a well being and health of the kind that God would give to those in Limbo.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
I believe that unborn children or children who die without Baptism could receive the Grace of Baptism by an action of God outside of the Sacrament of Baptism. But along with St. Thomas Aquinas I believe this extraordinary means of Baptismal Grace does not leave the “Mark” of Sacramental Baptism. Excluding them from the beatific vision.
Interesting. So would that mean that they are in the state of grace, that they possess sanctifying grace yet are excluded from the beatific vision? If so, that would be awesome! 🙂 It would be a further wonder of God’s beautiful providence.
 
In Catholic grade school, we always prayed for the souls of the children in Limbo. Back then nothing was EVER said about children who were miscarried (much less aborted). I have to believe with Bro. Rich that God does not abandon either the children who are born but die before being baptized, children who are miscarried, or, please dear Lord, those children who are aborted. We just don’t know but if we believe in a good and gracious God…My wife and I lost two. I have to believe that I will eventually be united with them.
 
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brotherhrolf:
We just don’t know but if we believe in a good and gracious God…My wife and I lost two. I have to believe that I will eventually be united with them.
I agree, our prayers are with you. My wife and I just lost a baby 4 weeks today.

Thanks again all of you for your incite and kind words.
God Bless You! :blessyou:
 
**It is unknown where the unbaptized infants go. They have the stain of Original sin. However, it is unclear if God would require someone under the age of reason to be baptized in order to be saved. But, Catholics baptise infants as a precaution. **

I believe that there is a limbo. But, Limbo is currently not a required belief. Limbo is a place or state of natural paradise, but away from God. And if there is a Limbo, it is possible that it can be only temporary. It is also a possibility that the unborn can be purified through purgatory. It is currently under debate by the International Theological Commission.
St. Augustine of Hippo was the one who introduced the concept of Limbo in his writings.
 
Limbo has never been an official teaching of the Church but a speculation. The Church has no definite teaching on this issue but leaves it up to the mercy of God. Speculatively there these are the possibilities that I have heard of:
  1. Limbo - i.e. perhaps not a place so much as a state where they are eternally happy and in the prescence of God but not with the beatific visoin.
  2. Jesus automatically baptizes them and they go to heaven. The feast of the Holy infants which is celebrated in honor of those who were slaughter by Herod is an indication that this may be true as well as that David expected to be reunited with his son.
  3. God illuminates their minds at the time of death such that they can know and accept Christ as their savior and enter heaven.
I lean toward 2 but trust God’s mercy and justice. The things that bothers me about 2 is that there must be some down side for dying young. Perhaps the limited reward factor is the answer to that. Purgatory is not a posibility because that is in reparation for committed sins. Not original sin.

Blessings
 
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thessalonian:
  1. God illuminates their minds at the time of death such that they can know and accept Christ as their savior and enter heaven.
This wouldn’t guarantee that they enter heaven though since some may reject Christ (and thus according to this option, end up in hell) just as well as some may accept Him (and thus end up in heaven) This option seems to be a much less assuring one than the traditional teaching of limbo.
 
CCC 1261
As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming through Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

I also wonder what bearing, if any, the concept of baptism of desire has on the fate of unbaptized/unborn children.
 
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brotherhrolf:
…My wife and I lost two. I have to believe that I will eventually be united with them.
I have to agree. At 16 weeks pregnant I delivered a stillborn baby boy. We named him Patrick Joseph and the nurse baptized him for us. Our priest said a Mass of Resurection for him, too. I was depressed for weeks after and I asked Mary to take care of him. (I couldn’t ask for a better Mother for him.) When I would get especially down I would think of Our Lady rocking my son on Her lap. It helped tremendously.

God bless all of you who have lost children.
 
One thing for sure, if God would send an innocent child who has not even been given a chance to commit a sin, to the everlasting punishment, then I don’t see much hope for any of us. If Jesus can’t save that child, then I don’t understand how He could save me, or for that matter would want to.

Alan
 
As others have pointed out, the Church teaches that we don’t know, but we trust God’s mercy. Further, it is also my understanding that Limbo was never official doctrine.

My view is that the innocent are not separated from God, even in some form of paradise. That just doesn’t make sense, that they would be denied the presence of God through no fault of their own. Those who died before Christ came, as well as those who have died without being taught the gospel (and thus having the option of being baptised) are all part of this question. When Jesus “decended into hell (hades)” His purpose, I believe, was to bring the gospel to those who had already died and who thus had no way of receiving it on earth. This suggests that the gospel is made known to all, either on earth or after death. All are thus given the opportunity to choose God or choose against God. I would think this includes babies, born and unborn. If anyone doubts the ability of an infant to receive the gospel we have the example of John the Baptist leaping for joy in the womb in the presence of the unborn Christ.
 
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tuopaolo:
It’s not clear to me whether “salvation” refers to Heaven or just to what the word salvation means which would be health or well-being. So the salvation may actually consist in Limbo and we can certainly hope that God will give them a well being and health of the kind that God would give to those in Limbo.
Salvation is any state of the soul that is not Eternal Punishment or total separation from God. There will be different degrees or levels in Heaven.
 
Grace and Glory said:
CCC 1261
As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: “Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,” allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming through Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

I also wonder what bearing, if any, the concept of baptism of desire has on the fate of unbaptized/unborn children.

Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire are thought by St. Thomas to wash away Original Sin and instill Grace in the soul but not leave the “Mark” received in Sacramental on the soul.

As in the case of the Holy Innocents those who are killed because of hatred for Christ or for the faith receive Baptism of Blood.

Baptism of Desire is misapplied to infants. One cannot “Desire” Baptism for someone else. It is a desire expressed by a person who dies before being able to receive the Sacrament of Baptism.
 
A few thoughts on this one.

“Just as all men die in Adam, so all men will be brought to life in Christ” (1Cor 15:22).

But when St. Paul talks about all men how will that include the un-baptised, including the unborn? Various theological proposals have been put forward over time:

Limbo – where those un-baptised and incapable of moral choice live a natural happiness, but without the beatific vision of God. This has gone out of favour with theologians. There are several objections to this, at least as a final solution. Firstly Jesus came that all might have eternal life, and “eternal life is this; to know you , the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” (Jn 17:3). Here to know is the biblical usage of experience intimately. Secondly there is no mention in the Bible of at third state at the end of time. Jesus, talking of the Last Judgement says “All the nations will be assembled before him and he will separate men one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats. He will place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left.” (Mt 25:32-33) – only two kinds, only two destines.

Baptism of Desire – a proposal covering those who are capable of moral choice, but do not have the opportunity for baptism, talks about “Baptism of Desire”; those desiring baptism but who die before receiving it, or those who try to lead a good life and therefore would desire it if they knew about it. This however sounds to me more of a theological fiction than Limbo and has no basis in scripture.

In his book *From Limbo to Heaven * Fr. Vincent Wilkin S.J. offers some interesting thoughts on this topic. This is a summary of my understanding of these thoughts.

He proposes three types of baptism that will give an opportunity for all to be reborn into Christ.

Firstly there is the normal baptism by water and the Holy Spirit. This plunges us into the death of Christ (and therefore no longer in Adam) and into his resurrection, thus being reborn “in Christ”. In this baptism Fr. Wilkin suggest we are united with Christ at Christ’s baptism in the Jordan, at the beginning of his public life. To these Christ comes by water.

Secondly there is “Baptism of Blood”. This has long been recognised by the Church as a form of baptism. It covers those who are killed for the sake of Christ. These join Christ at the moment of his death, and of their own death. To these Christ comes by blood. “Who can overcome the world? Only the man who believes that Jesus is the Son of God: Jesus Christ who came by water and blood, not with water only but with water and blood;” (1 Jn 5:5-6)

But this still leaves the majority of mankind, the un-baptised by water or blood. For these Fr. Wilking proposes a third baptism – baptism by the Holy Spirit (not to be confused with that usage in Charismatic Renewal). He argues that St. John continues the above sentence “with the Spirit as another witness…so that there are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water and the blood, and all of them agree.” He spends some time justifying this but I shall only briefly summarise here. He proposes that this will take place at the Final Judgement, the Last Day when Christ comes in power to make all things new; at the general resurrection. In this baptism those so baptised join Christ at his resurrection. At this resurrection all must rise in Christ, as if they rose in Adam they would still be subject to death. Only by rising in Christ can there be eternal life, whether that be in heaven or in hell. It is at this point that the whole of creation is renewed; that the Spirit is finally poured out on *all *mankind (Joel 3:1). For the un-baptised this resurrection is their rebirth into Christ. Fr. Wilkin supports this thesis by many arguments and quotations from scripture, for example “… God’s power will save you until the salvation, which has been prepared is revealed at the end of time.” Also he goes into some depth into St. Paul’s description of the resurrection in 1 Cor 15.

This leaves the question of where the un-baptised are between their death and the resurrection. For this Fr. Wilkins proposes Limbo. But has not this already been dismissed this as unscriptural? Yes, as far a permanent place or state, but an intermediate state has precedents e.g. Purgatory. Another temporary place was Hades. In the Apostles Creed we declare “On the third day he rose again and descended into hell”. This is not the hell of the damned, but Sheol, or Hades, the place where the Just of the Old Testament were awaiting the reopening of heaven. So there can be no objection to the suggestion of a place of Limbo or Hades for the un-baptised of the new Covenant, whilst they await the final day.

This is of course still speculation.
 
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