Does any body notice this? Am I the only one?

[Mini_gerbel]

Mini Gerbel, try the links again in Aaron’s Staff’s post #97. I just clicked on them, and they’re working fine. T
Reading those links helped me alot. It seems you are having a big time “attack” of scrupulosity (sp?). Try to check them out again. If clicking on them doesn’t work, copy them and paste them into your browser. I think it will help to read, Especially the second.

May God’s blessing be on you.

they both work. and no man or article is my rock. but the rock of peter upon which this church was established. the popes

 

[Mini_gerbel]

Mini Gerbil,

Fourth, a Pope CAN have personal opinions on things that others can disagree with. (ie. Benedict says he loves cats. Not all people love cats, and in fact, some are quite allergic to cats. Does the fact Pope Benedict has stated he loves cats make those who dislike or cannot tolerate cats worse people and less Catholic? )

I know this is obvious

Sixth, you have NO RIGHT and NO AUTHORITY to tell anyone they are not Catholic!

if you dont keep church doctrine you arnt catholic

Just because one views something does not mean they will go out and DO the same thing!

thats not the problem. Me and pope benidict are talking about things that exalt violoence

One opinion is not better than nor worse than the others; no one has the right to judge (including you!)!

I judge your actions. indeed we all have consiences so that we may know between right and wrong

 

[Mini_gerbel]

Also, you have yet to define what exactly exalting violence and profanity means.

i have already done this with alot of people though. We must use our conscience to judge our actions to find out if they are right or wrong.

 

[AaronsStaff]

After reading the entire thing from the link in your sig Mini Gerbel, it is becoming clear to me that the Holy Father is speaking to producers of these types of media, this is what it says after your quote cuts off…

*“all the more repulsive when these programs are directed at children and adolescents. How could one explain this ‘entertainment’ to the countless innocent young people who actually suffer violence, exploitation and abuse?”

“Again I appeal to the leaders of the media industry to educate and encourage producers to safeguard the common good, to uphold the truth, to protect individual human dignity and promote respect for the needs of the family.”*

I dont think the Pope talks specifically enough about what exultation of evil in the media is, but from reading the last paragraph he seems to alluding to the degradation of human dignity among other things.

Secondly, he is not even talking about rules regarding the viewing of shows, let alone what constitutes exultation of evil. He is talking about the culture and media production in general.

 

[Mini_gerbel]

It seems in your opinion, that if someone performs a sinful action in a movie or show, and it is not expressly condemned within the show, that it exalts evil. Am I correct in saying this?

no. but your real close. if the action is seen as normal and okay then its wrong. I suppose in the movie below ( saveing private ryan ) that scene would be okay to watch because you know that their commanders or something would get mad if they heard about that.

I have a different example for you…

In the movie Saving Private Ryan, which is a WWII movie ( which has some very good moral undertones by the way) during the D-Day scene, two German soldiers raise their hands and try to surrendur, while two American soldiers walk towards them, pretending they cant hear/see them trying to surrendur, the Americans then shoot the unarmed Germans who surrendured, and they laugh about it. That was it, no one in the movie told them they were wrong.

When I see a movie, where a harsh cop is quesitoning a suspect and he curses, I know that it is not right also. But Im sure that that stuff happens, Im not saying that its okay, but when I see something like that, it makes me not want to see cops like who bully and cuss,

yes but if the cop is seen as just and right or looks like a “cool guy” or something. thats exaltion of the cussing.

and also saveing private ryan is bad because it exalts cussing in it.

and I am sure not tempted to cuss because of it.

doesnt matter anyway. if it exalts it its wrong.

 

[Mini_gerbel]

I dont think the Pope talks specifically enough about what exultation of evil in the media is, but from reading the last paragraph he seems to alluding to the degradation of human dignity among other things.

Secondly, he is not even talking about rules regarding the viewing of shows, let alone what constitutes exultation of evil. He is talking about the culture and media production in general.

yes but the statement below is still true.

Any trend to produce programs and products - including films and video games - which in the name of entertainment exalt violence and portray anti-social behavior is a perversion - Pope Benedict

 

[AaronsStaff]

yes but if the cop is seen as just and right or looks like a “cool guy” or something. thats exaltion of the cussing.

and also saveing private ryan is bad because it exalts cussing in it.

doesnt matter anyway. if it exalts it its wrong.

Mini Gerbel, name any movie, and if you or I look hard enough, you will find exultation of evil in everything. In the disney movie, Aladin, Aladin steals a loaf of bread…is he exulting evil and therefore Aladin is a bad movie?

SPR does not exalt cussing, it shows that soldiers did cuss, which they did. I would preferr that they did not, but not every single character in ever single show or movie is absolutely perfect.

 

[sphilomena]

sorry. as a catholic you can not vote for the death penalty. thats what ALL my catholic school teachers say

Sorry, they are wrong. The death penalty issue is not dogma or declared infallible, etc., it is a prudential judgment of the popes. The popes who have spoken of it, do not want it used, unless all else fails. Catholics do not have to have that opinion. (Not arguing for it, just presenting facts.)

Regarding your OP, maybe a lot of us don’t watch much TV, since most of it is junk.

 

[Mini_gerbel]

Mini Gerbel, name any movie, and if you or I look hard enough, you will find exultation of evil in everything.

well in your opinion every thing is a perversion

I love St. Movies

SPR does not exalt cussing,

yes it does. cussing is shown as " normal " in that movie and " okay to use, common place and not immoral"

 

[Mini_gerbel]

Regarding your OP, maybe a lot of us don’t watch much TV, since most of it is junk.

whats OP?

 

[sphilomena]

whats OP?

Original post

 

[AaronsStaff]

well in your opinion every thing is a perversion

no…I dont even know what you are trying to say here.

I love St. Movies

I do as well, but those things are the exception, because their intentional aim is to bring people to God by telling the story of a Saint.

yes it does. cussing is shown as " normal " in that movie and " okay to use, common place and not immoral"

Just becuase someone does something does not mean it is ok, I am smart enough to know that, and I am sure the majority of people are.

 

[Catholic90]

I know this is obvious

I was refuting what YOU said in an earlier post where you did not think a Pope could have a personal opinion.

if you dont keep church doctrine you arnt catholic

Nowhere in CHURCH DOCTRINE does it say what shows or movies a person can and cannot watch! You can’t find it, because it isn’t there!

thats not the problem. Me and pope benidict are talking about things that exalt violoence

“Me and Pope”…buddies, are you!?! I hardly think YOU are talking about what the Pope was referencing. See AaronsStaff’s posts and READ them! He has some excellent points!

I judge your actions. indeed we all have consiences so that we may know between right and wrong

Of course we have consciences. However, it is not up to YOU to tell ANYONE that it is WRONG to watch a certain show, movie, etc. NO ONE has given YOU that authority! (Not even the Pope!) You do NOT have a place to judge. (you know…that whole “judge not lest ye be judged” passage)

You mentioned “all your Catholic School teachers” told you a person cannot vote for the death penalty and be a Catholic.

1. How old are you?
2. Did you believe everything else your Catholic school teachers told you? I also work in a Catholic School. I still don’t believe everything they tell me! Most of them are quite liberal Democrats (while being prolife). I am not liberal OR a democrat. I don’t believe what they tell me the “evil Republicans” are up to! Why? Because I AM one, and I am not doing what they say “all Republicans” do.
3. Can you critically think for yourself?
4. Does God believe in the Death Penalty? (hint: read the Old Testament). There’s something in there regarding justice and all that. God decries MURDER, not necessarilly killing, which can be 2 separate things. If a rapist comes after me with a knife with the intention of causing physical harm to me, and the only way I am able to stop the attack is by shooting him with the legally carried handgun I pull from my purse, you can be DARN SURE the rapist will be dead. Have I committed murder? No. It is self defense. Now, if I decide I wanted to off old Spotty because he looked at me funny yesterday, then that would be murder. Can you see the difference?

 

[AaronsStaff]

Mini Gerbel, this talk has been going on a for awhile, and I am forgeting what it is you are trying to argue or put foward lol, could you please list the things you are trying to raise to attention?

 

[Amolibri]

You mentioned “all your Catholic School teachers” told you a person cannot vote for the death penalty and be a Catholic.

1. How old are you?
2. Did you believe everything else your Catholic school teachers told you? I also work in a Catholic School. I still don’t believe everything they tell me! Most of them are quite liberal Democrats (while being prolife). I am not. I don’t believe what they tell me the “evil Republicans” are up to! Why? Because I AM one, and I am not doing what they say “all Republicans” do.
3. Can you critically think for yourself?
4. Does God believe in the Death Penalty? (hint: read the Old Testament). There’s something in there regarding justice and all that. God decries MURDER, not necessarilly killing, which can be 2 separate things. If a rapist comes after me with a knife with the intention of causing physical harm to me, and the only way I am able to stop the attack is by shooting him with the legally carried handgun I pull from my purse, you can be DARN SURE the rapist will be dead. Have I committed murder? No. It is self defense. Now, if I decide I wanted to off old Spotty because he looked at me funny yesterday, then that would be murder. Can you see the difference?

I was about to ask the same “how old are you” question.
Death PENALTY(state killing) and self defense are 2 separate and distinct topics, C90. Don’t confuse this fellow/girl, please.

 

[Mini_gerbel]

You mentioned “all your Catholic School teachers” told you a person cannot vote for the death penalty and be a Catholic.

1. How old are you?
2. Did you believe everything else your Catholic school teachers told you? I also work in a Catholic School. I still don’t believe everything they tell me! Most of them are quite liberal Democrats (while being prolife). I am not liberal OR a democrat. I don’t believe what they tell me the “evil Republicans” are up to! Why? Because I AM one, and I am not doing what they say “all Republicans” do.
3. Can you critically think for yourself?
4. Does God believe in the Death Penalty? (hint: read the Old Testament). There’s something in there regarding justice and all that. God decries MURDER, not necessarilly killing, which can be 2 separate things. If a rapist comes after me with a knife with the intention of causing physical harm to me, and the only way I am able to stop the attack is by shooting him with the legally carried handgun I pull from my purse, you can be DARN SURE the rapist will be dead. Have I committed murder? No. It is self defense. Now, if I decide I wanted to off old Spotty because he looked at me funny yesterday, then that would be murder. Can you see the difference?

Originally Posted by Mini gerbel View Post
I know this is obvious

I was refuting what YOU said in an earlier post where you did not think a Pope could have a personal opinion.

yes read the post I was talking about. he can have an opinion on cats of course

if you dont keep church doctrine you arnt catholic

Nowhere in CHURCH DOCTRINE does it say what shows or movies a person can and cannot watch! You can’t find it, because it isn’t there!

yes but he says anything that exalts violence is a perversion

thats not the problem. Me and pope benidict are talking about things that exalt violoence

“Me and Pope”…buddies, are you!?! I hardly think YOU are talking about what the Pope was referencing.

no we dont know eachother but we are talking about the same thing.

See AaronsStaff’s posts and READ them! He has some excellent points!

which post?

I judge your actions. indeed we all have consiences so that we may know between right and wrong

Of course we have consciences. However, it is not up to YOU to tell ANYONE that it is WRONG to watch a certain show, movie, etc.

Well its pretty easy to tell whats right and wrong by this criteria

Any trend to produce programs and products - including films and video games - which in the name of entertainment exalt violence and portray anti-social behavior is a perversion - Pope Benedict

NO ONE has given YOU that authority! (Not even the Pope!) You do NOT have a place to judge. (you know…that whole “judge not lest ye be judged” passage)

yes. I know the passage. I am not judgeing your worth, the relationship between you and God or any of that stuff.

im judgeing actions. and God gave us a conscience to judge between good actions and wrong actions

1. How old are you? 15
2. Did you believe everything else your Catholic school teachers told you? no
3. Can you critically think for yourself? I hope so
4. Does God believe in the Death Penalty? I let the church decide.

hint: read the Old Testament). There’s something in there regarding justice and all that. God decries MURDER, not necessarilly killing, which can be 2 separate things. If a rapist comes after me with a knife with the intention of causing physical harm to me, and the only way I am able to stop the attack is by shooting him with the legally carried handgun I pull from my purse, you can be DARN SURE the rapist will be dead. Have I committed murder? No. It is self defense. Now, if I decide I wanted to off old Spotty because he looked at me funny yesterday, then that would be murder. Can you see the difference?

yes I can see. the catholic church gave us the right to defend ourselves. so I believe in the catholic church

 

[Mini_gerbel]

no…I dont even know what you are trying to say here.

you said everthing exalts evil. so I said that everything is a perversion to you then

I do as well, but those things are the exception, because their intentional aim is to bring people to God by telling the story of a Saint.

and in turn do not exalt evil. very good to watch!

Just becuase someone does something does not mean it is ok,

indeed it is true. but if it is shown as “normal”
and “common” and “every one does it” then its exalting

 

[AaronsStaff]

yes but he says anything that exalts violence is a perversion

Actually he said the trend to produce is a perversion, but that is besides the point, because it is basically the same thing.

no we dont know eachother but we are talking about the same thing.

Im not so sure, because I still dont know what you are trying to prove. But what I do know, is that Pope Benedict XVI was addressing problems with children and the media, and the direction of the media in general. The title of the article you quote in you sig is “CHILDREN AND THE MEDIA: A CHALLENGE FOR EDUCATION” so that pretty much sums up what was going on.

 

[AaronsStaff]

you said everthing exalts evil. so I said that everything is a perversion to you then

I did not, I said that if you look hard enough in movies etc that you could find something that exults evil if you really wanted to, eventhough it really may not have exulted evil.

indeed it is true. but if it is shown as “normal”
and “common” and “every one does it” then its exalting

What does normal mean? normal to you may be abnormal to me, when I see people curse in movie, it is very abnormal to me, becuase I do not do that, and I dont here words like that in my house, and according to how I live me life, it is not normal, so suddenly we have 2 opinions, because you say it exalts evil because it is shown as “normal,” and yet to me it is not normal at all and now because if it is not normal, does it exalt evil?

 

[Mini_gerbel]

What does normal mean? normal to you may be abnormal to me, when I see people curse in movie, it is very abnormal to me, becuase I do not do that, and I dont here words like that in my house, and according to how I live me life, it is not normal, so suddenly we have 2 opinions, because you say it exalts evil because it is shown as “normal,” and yet to me it is not normal at all and now because if it is not normal, does it exalt evil?

in the show/movie that exalts evil if it portrays at all that evil is normal then its a perversion.

for example
a person cusses alot. the movie depicts it as cool. thats bad,

but lets get to a real technical situation then.
A guy cusses once real loud the lords name in vain or a cuss word. No one corrects him. no one even flinches that he said that. every one is like " okay he just cussed. no big deal. every one cusses" thats an example of exalting evil portraying it as if it were … normal