Does any body notice this? Am I the only one?

[AaronsStaff]

in the show/movie that exalts evil if it portrays at all that evil is normal then its a perversion.

for example
a person cusses alot. the movie depicts it as cool. thats bad,

but lets get to a real technical situation then.
A guy cusses once real loud the lords name in vain or a cuss word. No one corrects him. no one even flinches that he said that. every one is like " okay he just cussed. no big deal. every one cusses" thats an example of exalting evil portraying it as if it were … normal

If there was a movie shown, where someone murders somebody else, and no one he is with even flinches because of this, does it exalt evil?

 

[Baptista]

Well its pretty easy to tell whats right and wrong by this criteria

Any trend to produce programs and products - including films and video games - which in the name of entertainment exalt violence and portray anti-social behavior is a perversion - Pope Benedict

Mini gerbel, read what you posted here. “Any trend to produce programs and products.” Someone here already pointed out that none of us are likely to be producing films or video games, violent or otherwise.

Pope Benedict was talking about those who are producing these things.

And again, this has not been an “ex cathedra” pronouncement by him.

As for exalting the evils you are talking about, when someone questions you as to what exactly you mean by “exalting” you tell them to read your first post, but you have never made it clear. In reading this thread, you have confused me to no end. One time you say it’s ok because the person obviously doesn’t mean to cuss, or someone would tell them it’s bad, and you know that. Another time, you say it’s not ok just because they cuss, and cussing is wrong. We all know it is wrong. I’m still trying to figure out what you feel is exalting it since you’ve contradicted yourself a number of times.

I’m getting a headache…I think I’ll go take a couple Tylenol and make a cup of tea.

 

[Mini_gerbel]

If there was a movie shown, where someone murders somebody else, and no one he is with even flinches because of this, does it exalt evil?

depends. is the man who murderd rightous? was he defending himself? does the man have a mental disease? or does the man later repent of his sin if he did sin?

also. does any one have a article thing that LITERALLY says the rule on this subject?

I really want to get to the bottom of this!

 

[AaronsStaff]

depends. is the man who murderd rightous? was he defending himself? does the man have a mental disease? or does the man later repent of his sin if he did sin?

also. does any one have a article thing that LITERALLY says the rule on this subject?

I really want to get to the bottom of this!

The man has no mental illness, he does not repent, he was not defending himself, it was cold blooded murder.

I told you a while back, I believe the Church says that the only sin that comes from watching movies/shows/listening to music is if it is pornography, or if it will cause you to sin hence being an occasion of sin.( I cant find exactly where, its hard to find one single teaching) That is the jist of what Jimmy Akin’s article was about, and btw it was linked from an Ask An Apologist thread, where someone asked if watching the Sopranos was a sin.

 

[Mini_gerbel]

Mini gerbel, read what you posted here. “Any trend to produce programs and products.” Someone here already pointed out that none of us are likely to be producing films or video games, violent or otherwise.

Pope Benedict was talking about those who are producing these things.

yes but is it right to consume evil?

And again, this has not been an “ex cathedra” pronouncement by him.

As for exalting the evils you are talking about, when someone questions you as to what exactly you mean by “exalting” you tell them to read your first post, but you have never made it clear. In reading this thread, you have confused me to no end. One time you say it’s ok because the person obviously doesn’t mean to cuss, or someone would tell them it’s bad, and you know that. Another time, you say it’s not ok just because they cuss, and cussing is wrong. We all know it is wrong. I’m still trying to figure out what you feel is exalting it since you’ve contradicted yourself a number of times.

I’m getting a headache…I think I’ll go take a couple Tylenol and make a cup of tea.

I will admit. I am getting confused too. and im not sure if this is a ex cathedra statement. but what other thing is there on this issue? whats your limit for all people who watch stargate and stuff? were do you stop with things that exalt bad stuff.

im getting lost in my thought about the popes quote,

but were do you all even stop. if you take it you alls way then there is no end to what you watch. you can watch borat

were do you stop?

so far though. im not sure if this is a ex cathedra statement. but I think I will stick to it even if its not. is the pope un-wise? is he not our rock in a way? dedicated to leading us all the way from peter?

 

[AaronsStaff]

yes but is it right to consume evil?

I will admit. I am getting confused too. and im not sure if this is a ex cathedra statement. but what other thing is there on this issue? whats your limit for all people who watch stargate and stuff? were do you stop with things that exalt bad stuff.

im getting lost in my thought about the popes quote,

but were do you all even stop. if you take it you alls way then there is no end to what you watch. you can watch borat

were do you stop?

so far though. im not sure if this is a ex cathedra statement. but I think I will stick to it even if its not. is the pope un-wise? is he not our rock in a way? dedicated to leading us all the way from peter?

First off Im almost entirely sure this was not ex cathedra, as far as I know the Pope has to say he is speaking ex cathedra, when he says something infallibly.

In my opinion you draw the line, when the things you watch start to make sin, and draw you away from God. Like certain movies have no real purpose at all, and have nothing redeeming in them. I cant think of many such as the american pie movies. Of course the Pope is wise, he is the leader of the universal Church. Remember context is the key, the Holy Father was not giving a speech or rules on how to watch T.V., he was talking about Children and the media, and how parents should protect their kids from harmful media, and also how the media needs to promote good values. We all play a little spiritual allegbra sometimes, like you will hear a statement from the Pope, and try to find something in the statement that can apply to any other situation.
I see how you think that movies which have cussing in them,can be seen as exalting, but I guess it is all in the intent.

 

[Mini_gerbel]

I believe the Church says that the only sin that comes from watching movies/shows/listening to music is if it is pornography, or if it will cause you to sin hence being an occasion of sin.( I cant find exactly where, its hard to find one single teaching)

if you can find that teaching I will believe it though.

also. I know many of you have many posts. but I have not read them.

I have alot of homework and am also going under a short term depression. I have been depressed for the last 3 days or so. just sad all around. I will type/read more tommorow good day to you all!

 

[Catholic90]

Ok…Gerbil is 15. S/he should not be watching the R rated movies, because his/her conscious is not yet developed to handle this, plus age-appropriate material and all that.

S/he like to watch movies about saints. That is commendable for anyone, particular a teen who is forming his/her conscious.

S/he is also having trouble linking ideas, which is not that uncommon for this age group. S/he is still learning how to think, how to process, what is important to grab from material, how to apply what has been learned from point A to point B, etc.

So for him/her, s/he should NOT be watching material with cuss words, violence, nudity, etc. It is not appropriate for him/her. (Although I will question what kind of language s/he hears every day at school, Catholic or not!)

Gerbil, where the issue comes in is when you try to apply the standards you have set for yourself (good standards, btw) to everyone else, and then proceed to condemn anyone who does not follow your standards. You cannot do that, and all you will accomplish is irritating people, turning them away from you and potentially from the Church, and alienating yourself. I do not think that this is your goal!

I am glad you have an interest in this. That is good. You do need to study a lot more, though! There are many, many wise people on these boards and many, many excellent references available through this site. Please continue to learn and continue to explore.

However, please do NOT pass judgment on behavior that YOU deem inappropriate. Afterall, remember that if only perfect people who followed every rule and law were admitted to the Catholic Church, the Church would be empty! No one is perfect! (Not even the POPE is perfect! He is a sinner just like us!)

The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints!

 

[Mini_gerbel]

Gerbil, where the issue comes in is when you try to apply the standards you have set for yourself (good standards, btw)

yes but I think the pope said that thing though.
its like cussing. if you cussed and I thought the pope said it was wrong then I sure am going to condem your ACTIONS. notice actions. not anything else. its like that.

However, please do NOT pass judgment on behavior that YOU deem inappropriate. Afterall, remember that if only perfect people who followed every rule and law were admitted to the Catholic Church, the Church would be empty! No one is perfect! (Not even the POPE is perfect! He is a sinner just like us!)

The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints!

also if anyone finds a definite thing that says " catholics believe that you can watch anything. as long as it doesnt lead you from God. such as sopranos" then I will believe you. but that article recently didnt have any sort of church aproval. that was just some guy in a cowboy hat! how silly he looked!

but um… please find this article!

I would love to watch worldly things like you all do all the time! and it not be a sin of course. so please give me article! not by a man. but a article that has a “church approved”
seal on it!

 

[Catholic90]

so please give me article! not by a man. but a article that has a “church approved”
seal on it!

So you need an article written by a woman that has a seal…

(so much for that homework, huh?)

 

[Mini_gerbel]

So you need an article written by a woman that has a seal…

(so much for that homework, huh?)

oh you silly! thou art funny!

no but I really want an article. I know true catholics would never lie!
nor in such magnitude.

but I just cant make myself believe without an article by a man or woman

maybe I communicated that across properly for once?

 

[Catholic90]

also if anyone finds a definite thing that says " catholics believe that you can watch anything. as long as it doesnt lead you from God. such as sopranos" then I will believe you.

Some things CAN be watched for entertainment, believe it or not!

Just because you see or watch a character do or say something, does not mean the viewer will then do or say the same thing or behave the same way!

As others have stated, many people on this forum do not watch TV - time, quality, etc. However, do not judge those who do!

My favorite shows are “The Office”, “Dirty Jobs”, and anything on TruTV (formerly Court TV). I love watching “Cops” and “Forensics Files”. I have no desire to copy any behavior I see on ANY of these shows! For “Cops” I shake my head at the behavior of the alleged criminals, and for “Forensics Files”, I follow my interest in science. “The Office” - I just laugh really hard!

Now…get your homework done! If homework is done, go study! (two different things, you know!)