Does anyone else do this?

[Aeolian]

Actually, adoration at the elevation of the Host and Chalice is a traditional practice. Holding hands during the Our Father is a modern invention that is discouraged.

Actually none of them are directed by the rubrics for the OF Mass. All are additions. All are harmless enough if not done in a showboaty/artificially pious manner meant to bring attention to the individual. To embrace some of the additions while rejecting others however reflects very poorly on the individual.

I’ll also add that when someone embraces/executes the acts/comments discussed in this thread AND THEN tries to attack things like the orans and holding hands, their voices are necessarily attenuated.

 

[Aeolian]

It is my knowledge that the elevation is for the people to see - though it may be a case of both/and rather than either/or? Perhaps this will be a good learning opportunity. I swap my source you swap yours

See this article by the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Quite true. The offertory has already taken place.

 

[NewsTheMan]

I perceive embracing the acts discussed here while denigrating acts such as using the organs or holding hands during the Lord’s Prayer as being hypocritical.

You are kidding right? Is this some form of irony I am missing? You think that a sign of reverence to God is the same as a discouraged practice?

 

[NewsTheMan]

Actually none of them are directed by the rubrics for the OF Mass. All are additions. All are harmless enough if not done in a showboaty/artificially pious manner meant to bring attention to the individual. To embrace some of the additions while rejecting others however reflects very poorly on the individual.

A sign of reverence where we strike the breast in bow our heads is God centered. It is a vertical action. Holding hands emphasizes the Other, rather than God, and it is a horizontal action.

They are two different things, borne out of different motives.

 

[Big_Feet]

During the elevation one should look at the Host/Chalice - that is precisely the reason for the elevation. But as it is lowered, as the celebrant then kneels, take that time to bow your head and strike your breast 3 times saying “My Lord and My God”.

What/where is the reference for this?
I am just curious if this is a personal preference, or if it is actually something that the Church currently encourages in their writings?
Thanks!

 

[Aeolian]

You are kidding right? Is this some form of irony I am missing? You think that a sign of reverence to God is the same as a discouraged practice?

I’m talking about some embracing certain actions/comments that are not part of the rubrics of the Mass while denigrating other actions/comments that are also not part of the rubrics. All of the things mentioned are harmless enough if done in a reverent manner. The process of picking and choosing is altogether different however and it does weaken the voices of those who complain about those additions to the Mass they dislike.

 

[Big_Feet]

A sign of reverence where we strike the breast in bow our heads is God centered. It is a vertical action. Holding hands emphasizes the Other, rather than God, and it is a horizontal action.

They are two different things, borne out of different motives.

I dont think that the poster was saying that they were borne out of the same motives, they were saying that both are not written in the official GIRM, or specificly “outlawed”, and are merely personal/communal additions, neither right nor wrong.

 

[Aeolian]

A sign of reverence where we strike the breast in bow our heads is God centered. It is a vertical action. Holding hands emphasizes the Other, rather than God, and it is a horizontal action.

They are two different things, borne out of different motives.

None are directed by the rubrics of the Mass. None is “better” or “worse” than the other based on your opinion. I suspect the only reason I brought this up is to mention how many peoples’ voices are blunted in their own parishes because they champion certain additions while attacking others.

 

[NewsTheMan]

What/where is the reference for this?
I am just curious if this is a personal preference, or if it is actually something that the Church currently encourages in their writings?
Thanks!

Well the GIRM assumes we will be looking at the Host and the Chalice at elevation. After that, it is merely a traditional ‘pious practice’ that people are taught to do. I can’t find anything at the moment, but it has to be in somewhere.

 

[NewsTheMan]

None are directed by the rubrics of the Mass. None is “better” or “worse” than the other based on your opinion. I suspect the only reason I brought this up is to mention how many peoples’ voices are blunted in their own parishes because they champion certain additions while attacking others.

Well, the holding hands thing is discouraged. The act of reverence is not.

And we can objectively say one is better than the other. See my previous post. An act of reverence to God is objectively a better act than a horizontal act that is meaningless (holding hands means nothing, it has no significance).

 

[Aeolian]

Both types of additions become unacceptable when they impinge on the celebration of the Mass. That might include someone trying to grab your hand to hold it or someone audibly proclaiming “my Lord and my God” as the strike their breast for others to hear (and bear.)

 

[Big_Feet]

the GIRM assumes

Really??? Did I just read that??
WOW!!!
The GIRM “assumes” nothing.
People assume. And most know what can happen when one "as*-u-me"s.
Please be careful with assumptions. They are very simmilar to opinions.

 

[Big_Feet]

[the] act [of holding hands] that is meaningless (holding hands means nothing, it has no significance).

This may be meaniningless to you, but not for others.
Please be careful when pressing YOUR preferences on another.

 

[NewsTheMan]

Really??? Did I just read that??
WOW!!!
The GIRM “assumes” nothing.
People assume. And most know what can happen when one "***-u-me"s.
Please be careful with assumptions. They are very simmilar to opinions.

Huh? What on earth are you talking about friend.

The GIRM says thus:
84:

The priest next shows the faithful the Eucharistic Bread, holding it above the paten or above the chalice, and invites them to the banquet of Christ. Along with the faithful, he then makes an act of humility using the prescribed words taken from the Gospels.

The term “shows the faithful” assumes people are looking. You cannot show someone something if they are not looking. It is not “assume” in the way you think.

Oh and it seems we have found evidence of the act of reverence as it says,

Along with the faithful, he then makes an act of humility using the prescribed words taken from the Gospels.

 

[Aeolian]

Well, the holding hands thing is discouraged. The act of reverence is not.

And we can objectively say one is better than the other. See my previous post. An act of reverence to God is objectively a better act than a horizontal act that is meaningless (holding hands means nothing, it has no significance).

The holding of hands is no more “discouraged” than any other discussed additions to the Mass. Your vertical/horizontal comments means nothing at all in this context because they are ultimately based on your opinion or those of others. To some, particularly family members, holding hands (as an example) has deep meaning and significance in the most positive and relevant way.

Your attempts right now at justifying some additions while denigrating others is a huge turn-off in my world. I don’t have any problems with any of the actions discussed. I don’t believe I would notice any of them anyway at Mass. But for people to embrace some additions while denigrating others is very, very bad form.

 

[NewsTheMan]

This may be meaniningless to you, but not for others.
Please be careful when pressing YOUR preferences on another.

Meaningless in the context of a Mass. Doing handstands has meaning for me, but in the context of a Mass it is meaningless.

 

[Aeolian]

This may be meaniningless to you, but not for others.
Please be careful when pressing YOUR preferences on another.

Precisely!

 

[NewsTheMan]

The holding of hands is no more “discouraged” than any other discussed additions to the Mass. Your vertical/horizontal comments means nothing at all in this context because they are ultimately based on your opinion or those of others. To some, particularly family members, holding hands (as an example) has deep meaning and significance in the most positive and relevant way.

Your attempts right now at justifying some additions while denigrating others is a huge turn-off in my world. I don’t have any problems with any of the actions discussed. I don’t believe I would notice any of them anyway at Mass. But for people to embrace some additions while denigrating others is very, very bad form.

See my above post. It seems to be prescribed. So we’ve settled it.

If you cannot understand or appreciate the vertical/horizontal distinction that is okay. But it doesn’t make it any less true. The Mass is a vertical action in it’s entirety. Horizontal actions that are out of place take away from the Mass.

 

[Big_Feet]

For people to embrace some additions while denigrating others is very, very bad form.

I completely agree with this statment.
Charity, above all, should prevail.

 

[Big_Feet]

Horizontal actions that are out of place take away from the Mass.

Then why do we gather “as a community” for mass?
in fact, it is REQUIRED that the communal (horizontal) aspect be in existance for a mass to even be prayed! A priest cannot preform (pray) the mass in solitude.