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How do you know Mary prays for you?
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NotWorthy
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A) Revelation
B) Mother Church tells us she does.
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Good_Fella
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Justasking4 
: “How do you know Mary prays for you?”
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: Do you always ask questions after they have already been answered? The scriptures tell us that saints pray for us, and Mary is a saint. Ergo, Mary prays for us. 
We can be assured that our Blessed Mother hears our prayers, for she is among all the saints who constitute the “cloud of witnesses” (Heb 12:1). Mary and all the saints in Heaven can observe us as they give us their prayerful support. You keep forgetting that Mary does intercede on our behalf; Jesus performed his first miracle upon her intercession at the wedding feast in Cana. Indeed, the Blessed Virgin Mary always bids us to do whatever Jesus wills, and so she asks God to give us the graces we need to be true Christians. So together with the angels and the saints in Heaven - as part of the Mystical Body of Christ- she hears our prayers; and as the Mother of God, her prayers are the most effective, for she intercedes for us at the right hand of her Son, just as the Queen Mother interceded with the king in the ancient Davidic kingdom on behalf of his subjects. (1Kings 2:13-22;Jn 2:1-11; Rev 5:8-10; 8:3-4).
The prayers of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary are the most pleasing and powerful to her Son, Christ our Lord. Let us say everyday “Virgo Maria, ora pro nobis.”
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Good Fella
: “How do you know Mary prays for you?”Good Fella
: Do you always ask questions after they have already been answered? The scriptures tell us that saints pray for us, and Mary is a saint. Ergo, Mary prays for us. We can be assured that our Blessed Mother hears our prayers, for she is among all the saints who constitute the “cloud of witnesses” (Heb 12:1). Mary and all the saints in Heaven can observe us as they give us their prayerful support. You keep forgetting that Mary does intercede on our behalf; Jesus performed his first miracle upon her intercession at the wedding feast in Cana. Indeed, the Blessed Virgin Mary always bids us to do whatever Jesus wills, and so she asks God to give us the graces we need to be true Christians. So together with the angels and the saints in Heaven - as part of the Mystical Body of Christ- she hears our prayers; and as the Mother of God, her prayers are the most effective, for she intercedes for us at the right hand of her Son, just as the Queen Mother interceded with the king in the ancient Davidic kingdom on behalf of his subjects. (1Kings 2:13-22;Jn 2:1-11; Rev 5:8-10; 8:3-4).
The prayers of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary are the most pleasing and powerful to her Son, Christ our Lord. Let us say everyday “Virgo Maria, ora pro nobis.”
Pax vobiscum
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. She is our Gebira!!! This role of intercessor for the New Israel is described in 1 Kings 2.
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This is all speculation on your part. The scriptures never make such claims about her. The scriptures you are using are taken out context and were never meant to be used in this way.Good Fella
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NotWorthy
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At the end of the New Testament.
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Tantum_ergo
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And remember to show us exactly where in the Bible it says that “all Truth” is to be found in the Bible, only in the Bible. In fact, does Jesus not say that the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, will come and guide us to all truth? And how did He do that in the 350 years between the Resurrection and the first Bible?
Jesus is found in the Bible–but as the “Living Word”, is He not outside the Bible as well? While the Bible does not contradict Him (and no Catholic teaching contradicts the Bible either), do you really believe that one finite book–even the book of God’s word–is ‘equivalent’ to God?
Jesus is found in the Bible–but as the “Living Word”, is He not outside the Bible as well? While the Bible does not contradict Him (and no Catholic teaching contradicts the Bible either), do you really believe that one finite book–even the book of God’s word–is ‘equivalent’ to God?
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That’s all you can say when scriptures refute your erroneous beliefs.
You are the one who is speculating and taking the scriptures out of context by objecting to the teachings of the Catholic Church. You do not belong to the one true Church of Christ to begin with, so how dare you and other ignorant and biased Protestants question her teachings? Listen to what Pope Benedict XVl said recently concerning outsiders like yourself. Your mere opinion is unimportant. The Holy Bible belongs to the Catholic Church, so you are in no position to tell her episcopate how to discern the expicit and implict truths contained therein. You simply believe what you want to believe, pick and choose whatever you like from the bible to suit your own bias. That is Protestantism, and that is why Protestantism is a divided house which will eventually fall.
I have no wish to further waste my time arguing with you. You are here only to raise one objection after another without even trying to listen to the truth which is in the custody of the Catholic Church through the apostolic Tradition.
“To be deep in history is to cease being Protestant.”
Cardinal John H Newman
Here’s a passage especially for you:
Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.” Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind, too?” Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your sin remains.” (John 9:39-41)
Contesting a known spiritual truth is a deadly sin against the Holy Spirit.
And another: Jesus said to his disciples (and their successors),
“He who hears you hears me; and he who rejects you rejects me; and he who rejects me rejects Him who sent me.” (Luke 10:16)
Listen to the Vicar of Christ. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church for those whom Jesus is referring to.
Faith does not amount to believing one is “buddies” with Jesus.
Pax vobiscum
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Where in the book of Revelation does it show Mary praying for someone?At the end of the New Testament.
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Where does it show she does not? Revelation is a deeply mystical book that is written in a particular style.
And again, where does it say that absolutely everything that Jesus said or did is 'In the Bible"? (Hint: It doesn’t. In fact, it says, quite specifically, the contrary. Not everything that Jesus taught was put ‘into the Bible’ because the Bible was not meant to be the ‘only’ source of teaching and information).
Where does the Bible claim that it is the ONLY source of teaching?
And again, where does it say that absolutely everything that Jesus said or did is 'In the Bible"? (Hint: It doesn’t. In fact, it says, quite specifically, the contrary. Not everything that Jesus taught was put ‘into the Bible’ because the Bible was not meant to be the ‘only’ source of teaching and information).
Where does the Bible claim that it is the ONLY source of teaching?
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The Scriptures don’t make the claim that all truth is in the Bible. The issue is truth. Just because your church claims certain things about Mary as being the truth doesn’t mean they are. We know that many aspects of the marian doctrines are not found in the inspired-inerrant Scriptures.
We should leave discussions about the bible for another thread. Since catholics also believe it to be inspired-inerrant, it is there we should first look and compare doctrines and beliefs. Sadly, there are a number of catholic teachings that do in fact contradict the scriptures. In regards to Mary being without or kept from sin is in direct contradiction of a number of passages that do teach all men are sinners.
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It is you who is making the claim about her. Its up to you to support it. Scripture never says many of things about Mary that your church does.
I’m not making these claims. What i’m showing is that many of the marian claims are not taught in Scripture but have their source in the speculations of men. Take her supposed assumption. Its not even mentioned for centuries.
It doesn’t. keep in mind though that it is only the Scriptures alone that are inspired-inerrant. Not tradition or teachings.
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Where does it say in Scripture that anything “outside Scripture” is not binding on belief?
You see, while you claim that ‘our claims’ are not Scripturally based (and actually, they are, but that’s for another thread), you make an enormous–and incorrect leap that ONLY what ‘you’ particularly interpret as “Scripture” is 'binding on belief".
Take John 6, for example. Your ‘interpretation’ of the the Last Supper and communion as ‘symbolic’ flies in the face of what Scripture says, and what the Church TAUGHT for the 1500 years before some ‘person’ made a completely different interpretation.
Here you are, taking Christ’s own words “This is my Body, This is My Blood”, and saying, “He only meant’ symbolically’”, despite 1500 years of teaching that He meant it absolutely literally.
Then you turn around and INSIST that Scriptural passages which symbolically express Mary’s immaculate conception, and assumption, cannot be included as ‘belief’ because, hey, it isn’t **right there in black and white **saying “Mary was assumed into heaven.”
You can’t have it both ways. You reject one passage’s **right there in black and white **saying “You must eat of the flesh of the Son of Man and drink of His Blood”.
Why? By whose authority do you deny what was Christian teaching for hundreds of years and demand different interpretations?
You see, while you claim that ‘our claims’ are not Scripturally based (and actually, they are, but that’s for another thread), you make an enormous–and incorrect leap that ONLY what ‘you’ particularly interpret as “Scripture” is 'binding on belief".
Take John 6, for example. Your ‘interpretation’ of the the Last Supper and communion as ‘symbolic’ flies in the face of what Scripture says, and what the Church TAUGHT for the 1500 years before some ‘person’ made a completely different interpretation.
Here you are, taking Christ’s own words “This is my Body, This is My Blood”, and saying, “He only meant’ symbolically’”, despite 1500 years of teaching that He meant it absolutely literally.
Then you turn around and INSIST that Scriptural passages which symbolically express Mary’s immaculate conception, and assumption, cannot be included as ‘belief’ because, hey, it isn’t **right there in black and white **saying “Mary was assumed into heaven.”
You can’t have it both ways. You reject one passage’s **right there in black and white **saying “You must eat of the flesh of the Son of Man and drink of His Blood”.
Why? By whose authority do you deny what was Christian teaching for hundreds of years and demand different interpretations?
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The argument doesn’t depend on what scripture says but on the nature of the scriptures i…e inspired-inerrant.
Actually the marian claims are said to be based on scripture and thats what needs to be studied.
Show me another source that is inspired-inerrant as the Scriptures are. There is no source that is greater than the scriptures.
If i’m not mistaken there were a number of views on this doctrine throughout church history. This is a topic for another time.
If you are making the claim that Mary was immaculately conceived then you need to show that. The scriptures certainly do not support such a view.
This thread is not about this. However, go back and read this passage in context and you will find that its not about literally “eating” Christ.
I take the scriptures warning about false teachers coming into the church and decieving many seriously. Authority alone doesn’t make something true or that because a particular interpretation has been around for a long time doesn’t mean its correct. Looking at the various passages and studying them in context does not support the catholic claims about Mary.
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OK, in the hopes of bringing this subject back to the fore:
In Revelation, it shows the saints offering up our prayers to God.
Mary is a Saint.
Hence, Mary is one of those that offers up our prayers to God.
In 1 Kings (and throughout the rest of Kings and some of Chronicles) we see the mother of the King of Israel is the Queen. Her role, among others, is to act as intercessor for the people.
Mary, as Queen of the New Israel, is our intercessor.
Hence, Mary offers up our prayers to God as intercessor.
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This is about the assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary:
In Gen. 3:15 - it says " I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. He shall crush thy head, and thou shalt crush his heel ".
The woman in this particular passage could never be referred to Eve because she had fallen to the serpent’s temptation. Impliedly speaking, the woman refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary who gave birth to the savior of all mankind, Jesus Christ. There is a forever enmity between the Blessed Virgin Mary and satan. Jesus Christ, though triumphant in His fight against satan, would suffer an enjury.
From the word of John’s gospel (John 1:1 and John 1:14) the Word who was God made flesh and dwelt amongst us - which refers to Jesus Christ. In Wisdom 1:4 it says " Wisdom will never dwell in anyone who is deceitful or a slave of sin" - Jesus christ is the Power and Wisdom of God (1 Corinthians 1: 24). In these passages, one would wonder why did the 2nd person of the Holy Trinity took His body and blood from the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary when everyone has sinned (Rom. 5: 12). But what is unclean cannot produce something clean ( Sirach 34: 4). If the Blessed Virgin Mary had been tainted from the sin Adam and Eve committed, the body and blood from which Jesus Christ took to atone for the sins of mankind would have been not worthy for atonement. Ergo, the Blessed Virgin Mary, by the will of God for the redemption of all mankind, was protected from all the stain of sins. From all of these passages, would it then be wrong for the RCC to declare the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, body and soul, into heaven?
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The Catholic Church has apostolic authority and the charism of infallibilty in her Teaching Office. I’m surprised that you can believe everything you wish to fallibly and erroneously interpret for yourself. I leave you to loll in your errors.
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