Does anyone else think Judas gets a bad rap?

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Does anyone else think Judas gets a bad rap? I mean, he followed Christ. Christ didn’t meet his expectations, and he betrayed Him, but…

I’ll bet you Christ doesn’t meet a lot of expectations. It’s kind of the Divine Incarnate thing, and who claims to know the mind of…

Judas took his own life, but could have been apostle, and I hope he has already or will join the cloud of witnesses.

I know there are a lot of early heresies saying Judas did the right thing, I don’t think so and I’m not proposing any of that rot, but…

Peter.

'nuff said.

I think of Peter Ustinov in the admittedly OK but not great or even really good movie bearing his given name dreaming of the three denials, then a rooster wakes him in the morning out of the dream. I wonder if this is how the first Holy Father awakened every morning.

But still, it is easy to point a finger at Judas. Ooops, all the other fingers I have are pointing at me when I do that…
 
Judas does get a bad rap, because this is the sheerest betrayal in human life; betraying the LORD of Life!

But that doesn’t make him any worse than any other grievous sinner.

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The saddest aspect of Judas’ story is the fact that he offed himself, rather than accepting God’s mercy. Had he repented, I think he could have been a great saint on par with Peter the denier and Paul the persecutor. What a waste.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
The saddest aspect of Judas’ story is the fact that he offed himself, rather than accepting God’s mercy. Had he repented, I think he could have been a great saint on par with Peter the denier and Paul the persecutor. What a waste.
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He did repent he felt remorse for his actions and returned the money. He was so disgusted with his actions that he took his own life. I think their is a good chance Jesus forgave and allowed Judas to have salvation.
 
speters33w said:
Does anyone else think Judas gets a bad rap? I mean, he followed Christ. Christ didn’t meet his expectations, and he betrayed Him, but…

I’ll bet you Christ doesn’t meet a lot of expectations. It’s kind of the Divine Incarnate thing, and who claims to know the mind of…

Judas took his own life, but could have been apostle, and I hope he has already or will join the cloud of witnesses.

I know there are a lot of early heresies saying Judas did the right thing, I don’t think so and I’m not proposing any of that rot, but…

Peter.

'nuff said.

I think of Peter Ustinov in the admittedly OK but not great or even really good movie bearing his given name dreaming of the three denials, then a rooster wakes him in the morning out of the dream. I wonder if this is how the first Holy Father awakened every morning.

But still, it is easy to point a finger at Judas. Ooops, all the other fingers I have are pointing at me when I do that…
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The Gospel said he was a thief. He used to take money from the treasury and was concerned that the perfumed oil given to Jesus could have brought much money. When he rlearned that Jesus Christ was to be killed, he must have known that his entire lifestyle of pilfering from the group, was soon to end. He also had no respect from many other Jews because he was associated with Jesus Christ. Suicide was his out in face of the situation. Matt. 26:

22 And they being very much troubled, began every one to say: Is it I, Lord?
23 But he answering, said: He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, he shall betray me.
24 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born.
25 And Judas that betrayed him, answering, said: Is it I, Rabbi? He saith to him: Thou hast said it.
 
We need to look inward…to see if we have any of those “not me” qualities.
 
Irishmom2 said:
Yes, but he did also have free will, and he chose evil. He was not a pawn as some people like to say.
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Agreed.
I often wonder about folks who endless “wonder” themselves about the fate of others.
Seems like a wasted enterprise. Learn from their mistakes already. Cautionary tale, as it were. We should “wonder” about our own final destination. 😉
 
Irishmom2 said:
Yes, but he did also have free will, and he chose evil. He was not a pawn as some people like to say.
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I have always found it interesting that Judas had free will, but yet Jesus knew he was the one that would betray him! I guess Jesus knows ahead of time what our ‘free will’ will pick!🤷
 
So was Judas “predestined” for his betrayal? Because if he hadn’t, if he changed his mind at the last minute, what would have become of the plan of salvation, the atoning sacrifice of the Cross?
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
So was Judas “predestined” for his betrayal? Because if he hadn’t, if he changed his mind at the last minute, what would have become of the plan of salvation, the atoning sacrifice of the Cross?
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No, he wasn’t pre-destined, though our all knowing God knew which choice Judas would make long before he did.
 
CatholicHero said:
He did repent he felt remorse for his actions and returned the money. He was so disgusted with his actions that he took his own life. I think their is a good chance Jesus forgave and allowed Judas to have salvation.
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Regret and remorse is not the same as repent. He dispared and hung himself. Jesus himself said it would have been better if he had never been born. Judas made his own choice and he could have followed Jesus as the other Apostles did. Peter repented and became our first Pope. Big difference. We have no idea what went on between Judas and God during his last moments of life. All we know is what the Sacred Scriptures tell us. God Bless, Memaw
 
speters33w said:
Does anyone else think Judas gets a bad rap? I mean, he followed Christ. Christ didn’t meet his expectations, and he betrayed Him, but…

I’ll bet you Christ doesn’t meet a lot of expectations. It’s kind of the Divine Incarnate thing, and who claims to know the mind of…

Judas took his own life, but could have been apostle, and I hope he has already or will join the cloud of witnesses.

I know there are a lot of early heresies saying Judas did the right thing, I don’t think so and I’m not proposing any of that rot, but…

Peter.

'nuff said.

I think of Peter Ustinov in the admittedly OK but not great or even really good movie bearing his given name dreaming of the three denials, then a rooster wakes him in the morning out of the dream. I wonder if this is how the first Holy Father awakened every morning.

But still, it is easy to point a finger at Judas. Ooops, all the other fingers I have are pointing at me when I do that…
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The Church has not said that Judas is in Hell. We do not know. However, we had better not follow in his footsteps. I trust fully in God’s Judgement. He knows my heart, my soul, my intentions and who I am. He knows each and everyone of His children. He knows when we are making excuses for our behavior.

Looking at the worst of sinners and thinking, “Poor poor Judas. God just doesn’t play fair.” Then moving over to, “Well I am not that bad. I am okay and you are okay.” Are not the wisest of all philosophies. We WILL choose between God and Satan. The choices we make here on Earth WILL be the choice we make when we face God. Satan and his followers made their choice with full knowledge. We will make our choice with full knowledge.

God understands completely the difference between those who do or do not have full knowledge and those who are wanting excuses. His Mercy is just.

He gave Judas free will and He has given us free will. I don’t understand all the ins and outs of that belief but as a Catholic I have come to understand that I am not meant to fully understand the Mind of God and His Mysteries.
 
Christ told us that it would have been better for Judas never to have been born.

I’m not so sure how to exaggerate that enough to unfairly give Judas a bad rap.
 
“The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him, if that man had not been born.”

Matthew 26:24
 
Judas Iscariot had his own role in God’s plan of salvation (although had he made different decisions I’m sure God would have had other means). Without his betrayal Christ could not have made the sacrifice He did, at least quite in the manner that He did. So in a way, Judas shouldn’t have such a bad press.

on the other hand - according to some accounts was a thief, he had a mercenary attitude to the money Jesus’ followers had, and above all, he betrayed Our Lord to His death - and then despaired of the forgiveness which even he must have heard from Jesus, could be assured for all, and took his own life.

If the Bible was ‘just a story’ (which it isn’t, but bear with me!), then Judas would certainly be one of the most interesting characters in it.

Should we hate Judas? I don’t think so. (We shouldn’t hate anyone, really). Does he deserve to be celebrated or vindicated? probably not, either…

interesting question, though !
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
So was Judas “predestined” for his betrayal? Because if he hadn’t, if he changed his mind at the last minute, what would have become of the plan of salvation, the atoning sacrifice of the Cross?
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Yes, because God knows our decisions in advance.
 
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