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“…when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son…”- Vatican Council II, pg 420

A poster on my of my boards threw it out. I know It came from an anti-catholic site and she has more where that came from.
 
“…when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son…”- Vatican Council II, pg 420

A poster on my of my boards threw it out. I know It came from an anti-catholic site and she has more where that came from.
I can’t help you out on where it came from, or even if it’s an authentic quote, but I do know that the traditional meaning of the word “worship” just meant praise – not adoration we give to God. In past centuries it was common to refer to higher-ups as “your worship” --just meaning they were someone worthy of honor.
 
“…when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son…”- Vatican Council II, pg 420

A poster on my of my boards threw it out. I know It came from an anti-catholic site and she has more where that came from.
These are all the Vatican II documents. Ask the poster which document his/her quote is supposed to have come from.

Pope John XXIII’s Address to Open the Council
On the Church in the Modern World
Dogmatic Constitution on the Church
Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation
Declaration on Religious Freedom
Decree on Ecumenism
Decree on the Churches of the Eastern Rite
On the Relation to Non-Christian Religions
Guidelines on Religious Relations with the Jews
Decree on Mission Activity of the Church
Declaration on Christian Education
Declaration on Religious Liberty
Decree on the Pastoral Office of Bishops
Decree on Apostolate of Lay
Constitution on Sacred Liturgy
Decree on Renewal of Religious Life
Decree on Ministry of Priests
Decree on Priestly Training
Decree on Means of Social Communication
Pope Paul VI’s Address to Last General Meeting
 
“…when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son…”- Vatican Council II, pg 420

A poster on my of my boards threw it out. I know It came from an anti-catholic site and she has more where that came from.
The quote doesn’t exist in the Second Vatican Council’s only real treatment of Mary, which is in Lumen Gentium. It sounds awfully made up, given that it is listed with a page number. The second Vatican council does not have page numbers. It has 16 primary documents and a variety of other lesser ones. They are sometimes published together in books, but the layout of all of these different editions is different, and nobody would quote one of them by a page number in a third party book publication like this anyways. This quote is going to have to be assumed to be fabricated unless this poster is able to provide a verifiable citation. If they object, point out that what they are doing would be equivalent to if you said, “The Bible says that Mary was born without original sin on page 732.” Obviously, they would assume the citation to be false unless you could provide them a more accurate reference.

Now it is possible that that quote has come from somewhere. If it did, we’d have to look at the original language as well as the time from which it came, because there are Latin words one might translate as worship that do not mean what we think of when we use the term, and which even if they currently do would not have centuries ago in the time when kings were called things like ‘your worship’ with no intention of ascribing divinity or offering adoration.
 
I found it. It is in Lumen Gentium…

“Having entered deeply into the history of salvation, Mary, in a way, unites in her person and re-echoes the most important doctrines of the faith: and when she is the subject of preaching and worship she prompts the faithful to come to her Son, to his sacrifice and to the love of the Father. Seeking after the glory of Christ, the Church becomes more like her lofty type, and continually progresses in faith, hope and charity, seeking and doing the will of God in all things. The Church, therefore, in her apostolic work too, rightly looks to her who gave birth to Christ, who was thus conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin, in order that through the Church he could be born and increase in the hearts of the faithful. In her life the Virgin has been a model of that motherly love with which all who join in the Church’s apostolic mission for the regeneration of mankind should be animated.”
 
This is the translation on the Vatican website:

“65… For Mary, who since her entry into salvation history unites in herself and re-echoes the greatest teachings of the faith as she is proclaimed and venerated, calls the faithful to her Son and His sacrifice and to the love of the Father. Seeking after the glory of Christ, the Church becomes more like her exalted Type, and continually progresses in faith, hope and charity, seeking and doing the will of God in all things. Hence the Church, in her apostolic work also, justly looks to her, who, conceived of the Holy Spirit, brought forth Christ, who was born of the Virgin that through the Church He may be born and may increase in the hearts of the faithful also. The Virgin in her own life lived an example of that maternal love, by which it behooves that all should be animated who cooperate in the apostolic mission of the Church for the regeneration of men.”

What remains is to examine it in Latin, which I will now do.
 
Excellent work Lazer!!! I actually took the first translation as an admonition. If anyone were to worship Our Lady she would point them in the right direction… but that was just my thought at first glance. But then it is much more clear in the second translation with the word veneration.

Maybe it was meant both ways… either way it does seem to make sense in the entirety of the section.
 
It’s just different translations. I am no Latin expert, so if one were to come here it would be of great help. The phrase in question is “dum praedicatur et colitur.” Praedicatur is that part being translated as ‘preaching’ or ‘proclaimed,’ and colitur is the word which the real question is over.

From what I can tell, the word can mean anything from cherish to honor to worship. Here is where it gets a bit tricky, because Latin words often mean several things for which we would use different english words, and so determining the proper translation is not always a science so much as an art.

However, in this case the situation is a bit different because we are dealing with a Church document. The Church does not use Latin as it is learned in high school or college, but a slight variant known as ecclesiastical latin. This is not so much a different language in and of itself that was chosen, but rather the result of centuries of development. Over the past two millenium, the Church has selected to use certain words to refer to certain things. In other words, at one point the Church decided that whenever they wanted to refer to Heaven, they would use Latin word X, whereas that word may normally refer merely to the sky. In order to know for certain what it means, someone would have to have an ecclesiastical Latin dictionary, which I unfortunately do not.

The point to all of this is that ‘colitur’ most likely means ‘honor’ or ‘venerate,’ and some people simply failed to translate it appropriately. Or, the Church may have no special use for the word, and it may simply mean anything from cherish to honor to worship, and whoever translated your version preferred to render it as ‘worship’ in the traditional sense (which was, as was explained below, not reserved for divinity); many people prefer this traditional usage to words like venerate, particularly traditional Latin Mass only style Catholics (as well as others, of course).

Fortunately, the question is not that difficult, and does not require documenting the usage of Latin over the ages to respond to. All that is required is to provide a basic explanation of the traditional usage of the english word ‘worship,’ explain the possible meanings in Latin, and then point them to read the rest of Lumen Gentium, which makes it clear that Mary is not divine and is subordinate to Christ. They will then have to either abandon their attack or make the ridiculous assertion that the authors of a document teaching not to worship Mary then indicate within the same document that we are to do just that.
 
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