Does anyone have a copy of the Awake! April 2007 editon magazine?

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Hellisreal said:
Define Angelic hierarchy to me, and

tell me if Jesus Christ is the Archangel Micheal…
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Okay, I’m sorry-- I guess that you just have no idea what I’m talking about because I didn’t define “Angelic hierarchy.”

Just forget about it then.

E: And no, Jesus Christ isn’t the Archangel Micheal; glad I could clear that up.
 
faelpsanfeel said:
Okay, I’m sorry-- I guess that you just have no idea what I’m talking about because I didn’t define “Angelic hierarchy.”

Just forget about it then.

E: And no, Jesus Christ isn’t the Archangel Micheal; glad I could clear that up.
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Why would you leave it here like this?

I seriously don’t know what you are saying. I would like to know, but you must brush off anyone who is not as smart as you want them to be to understand you when in fact, you are simply not clear.

Is that my fault, or yours?
 
By Angelic Hierarchy, I meant that there’s a hierarchy of angels. As in “angels exist.”

This is pertinent because angels are supernatural beings who exert some degree of influence over humanity.

Sorry for being rude; I thought you were being condescending, but it seems I was wrong.
 
faelpsanfeel said:
By Angelic Hierarchy, I meant that there’s a hierarchy of angels. As in “angels exist.”

This is pertinent because angels are supernatural beings who exert some degree of influence over humanity.

Sorry for being rude; I thought you were being condescending, but it seems I was wrong.
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No problem, no need to apologize. I never doubted angels existed! Of course they do, and yes, the Catholic Church teaches this we know. And we know there are some angels that are Archangels. And fallen ones too.

But, I am curious about their exerting influence “over” humanity.

Could you elaborate? And again, thank you for responding.
I have an interest in this subject, and an open mind.
 
Hellisreal said:
No problem, no need to apologize. I never doubted angels existed! Of course they do, and yes, the Catholic Church teaches this we know. And we know there are some angels that are Archangels. And fallen ones too.

But, I am curious about their exerting influence “over” humanity.

Could you elaborate? And again, thank you for responding.
I have an interest in this subject, and an open mind.
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Not influence over humanity in the sense that humans emanate from angels (as would be the case in true pantheism I believe,) but influence over humans in the sense that they have powers derived from God to affect human affairs (to be messengers, guardians, etc.) I brought it up because I’ve had occassion to see Catholics vehemently deny that Christianity contains any elements of paganism or pantheism, yet this seems at odds with the idea that angels somehow exist in between humans and God.

I know this might seem silly because Christianity is clearly monotheistic, but I’m not sure people realize that even pantheists often believe that all of their gods emanate from a prime source.

I just don’t see why this isn’t viewed as a rather forgiveable misunderstanding. (Upon reflection, though, it seems obvious that most people wouldn’t have such a conversation with a Catholic unless it were in a fairly derogatory tone. I’m slightly (slightly) guilty of that myself here, I must admit.)

Also-- I’m afraid to ask this, because I know that Catholics really don’t like it, but how is the trinity not a pantheistic arrangement? I know that the trinity is, in a way, simply three aspects of God, but I’m pretty sure that this makes it even more pantheistic (as opposed to pagan) because emanation is present in this case (the trinity emanates from the same source.)

I’m assuming that the angel thing doesn’t count so much because the angels are closer to humans than they are to gods (now that I’ve thought about it.)
 
Ahh who cares what a magazine says… bugger that
We all know that if a religion is out to slander us Catholics, its a sign of weakness on their behalf.
They cant prove they are the truth, so they slander… :rolleyes:
 
Funny that the Awake! April 2007 magazine showed up at my door yesterday, and when I saw this topic, there was the Awake! right next to this PC im typing at. The article is just a 2 page one, and doesn’t seem to really say much. Didn’t seem very Anti, but seemed interesting.

On the front cover it mentions “What does the MORAL Breakdown mean?” and "ALSO: What does it mean to be a Christian? Page 26"
 
Montalban said:
Is there an on-line version?:confused:
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The online stuff is dated for the Awake. But, trust me you will see this one somewhere. Check your grocery stores, I always see stuff like the Watchtower there, but this Awake one I dont see as often, but I think since it really singles out the Catholic Church in this one they may spread them in areas where there are lots of Catholics.
 
I thought it was quite anti. Read the last few paragraphs of the article.:eek:

I typed out that part earlier here.
Geocacher said:
Funny that the Awake! April 2007 magazine showed up at my door yesterday, and when I saw this topic, there was the Awake! right next to this PC im typing at. The article is just a 2 page one, and doesn’t seem to really say much. Didn’t seem very Anti, but seemed interesting.

On the front cover it mentions “What does the MORAL Breakdown mean?” and "ALSO: What does it mean to be a Christian? Page 26"
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I guess I’m pretty lucky. The JWs haven’t been around for about 20 - 25 years. Have spoken to people in other parts of the city and they haven’t seen JWs for about as long.

I haven’t seen any figures, but my guess is that their membership is going down.
 
Membership in the US has been fairly constant for a while - though the percentage of hispanic in the US has increased signfiicantly - so the demographic has changed. If they haven’t visited you recently, it’s probably because they caught you when you weren’t at home and they are less likely to leave behind literature now. Technically, they are supposed to followup on any door that doesn’t have an answer, but that often doesn’t happen.

The JWs are really anti-any religion that is not them. Hence the whole “religion is a snare and a racket” campaign they did a long while back. This is most evident in their book “Mankind’s Search for God” - a “study” of various religions which tells why they are all wrong.

There are a couple causes for the intense anti-Catholic nature of the JWs. That’s where their major source of conversion if from currently. Also, there are some rather large similarities between the culture and organization of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and the Catholic church. Obviously, not so much doctrinal, but side-issues. The wild thing is that these side issues are some of the things that the JWs use to define themselves as “the truth”. Things like - being organized, worldwide, promoting consistant standards…

Anyway, according to the doctrine of the JWs, the whore of Babylon consists of all false religion - Christian, non Christian, everything - so it is more than just the Catholic church.

If you think that Awake article was anti-Catholic, then you clearly haven’t read a lot of other stuff they have written. I won’t repost here, but let’s just say that article was mild.
 
Dear Fate,

If that was mild, I dont know if I have the fortitude to read any more of it!
 
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