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I did say:I believe in the United States white is the preferred color, with violet as an alternative.
The following is a basic start. It doesn’t give all options; it’s basic!
I did say:I believe in the United States white is the preferred color, with violet as an alternative.
The following is a basic start. It doesn’t give all options; it’s basic!
Or black, according to the ancient usage.I believe in the United States white is the preferred color, with violet as an alternative.
I agree.I would love to see blue vestments be approved and used on marian feasts. Certainly not during advent though… except December 8 and 11!
I’ve never seen blue vestments. Well, I shouldn’t have.I agree.
I like the thought of a light blue for Marian feasts. I’ll put out some light blue on the altar or the side altar our Mary statue is on for Marian feasts (and the priest obviously wears white).I’ve never seen blue vestments. Well, I shouldn’t have.I have seen, on Marian feasts, white vestments with the decorative colours being blue. They looked good and I’d like those retained rather than all blue; just my humble opinion.
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Why does the Church tell us it should be purple.I actually like the use of blue during Advent too. It helps distinguish it from Lent.
I know purple is the official color of the season, but I don’t know the basis for why it’s purple vs blue (or any other color). Or for that matter, I don’t know what caused some churches (more on the Protestant side than Catholic) to switch from purple to blue. I’d imagine the reason purple was chosen is it has to do with the penance and reconciliation tones of the season, which are the same as Lent. Though Advent’s focus is more on Jesus’ coming, and more importantly his second coming and the preparation for it, to which obviously forgiveness is a necessary preparation. While Lent’s focus is primarily on forgiveness itself.Why does the Church tell us it should be purple.
Actually the older tradition is the use of dark blue as a Marian color, because of the connection of the color to royalty. Light blue has been used more recently, presumably because it can strike people as more feminine.I like the thought of a light blue for Marian feasts. I’ll put out some light blue on the altar or the side altar our Mary statue is on for Marian feasts (and the priest obviously wears white).
I actually like the use of blue during Advent too. It helps distinguish it from Lent.
I think we could distinguish Advent and Lent by changes in hues, shades, or whatever the appropriate term may be. In Lent we could continue to use purple, which I believe should be a short of reddish hue. Then in Advent use violet which has a bluish hue. I like white vestments decorated in blue for Marian feasts but, on a personal note, I don’t like blue as a colour.I know purple is the official color of the season, but I don’t know the basis for why it’s purple vs blue (or any other color). Or for that matter, I don’t know what caused some churches (more on the Protestant side than Catholic) to switch from purple to blue. I’d imagine the reason purple was chosen is it has to do with the penance and reconciliation tones of the season, which are the same as Lent. Though Advent’s focus is more on Jesus’ coming, and more importantly his second coming and the preparation for it, to which obviously forgiveness is a necessary preparation. While Lent’s focus is primarily on forgiveness itself.
I have to disagree with you on two counts. First, I don’t think it is necessary for blue to be limited to only one association, any more than red must be limited to only the Gospel writers, or only feasts of the Holy Spirit, or only martyrs. Second, I don’t think there is any momentum on the issue because most faithful Catholics are completely unfamiliar with this minor controversy over the use of blue vestments.I’d like tasteful dark blue for Advent, but I really think we need to locally settle on one or the other lest the symbolism be confused, and I think the momentum for most faithful Catholics seems to be on the side of use for Marian feasts due to 20th and 21st century cultural factors, like the partial Hispanisation of the American Church (especially in the South and West) and association of blue for Advent with Protestantism and “Liberal Catholicism” (following Protestant and unapproved Catholic adoptions of the custom originally revived by High Church Angicans, again from old English Catholic use).
I have heard discussion of your idea in the past, although often it is by those on this forum who feel such an approach is an unwelcome innovation and a watered-down acceptance of blue vestments. I think your suggestion is practiced widely in the US, if not by a majority of parishes than certainly by a sizable chunk. However, I don’t think there is any “official” recognition of this practice. I seem to remember a page on the Canadian bishops’ website a few years ago that mentioned it, and I came across the suggestion in an Ordo as well. For now it seems to simply be a widespread custom.I think we could distinguish Advent and Lent by changes in hues, shades, or whatever the appropriate term may be. In Lent we could continue to use purple, which I believe should be a short of reddish hue. Then in Advent use violet which has a bluish hue.
This could be seen as a way of trying to get around the rules. Of course, using white vestments with a lot of blue on them for Marian days could be interpreted the same way.I think we could distinguish Advent and Lent by changes in hues, shades, or whatever the appropriate term may be. In Lent we could continue to use purple, which I believe should be a short of reddish hue. Then in Advent use violet which has a bluish hue. I like white vestments decorated in blue for Marian feasts but, on a personal note, I don’t like blue as a colour.
This is what I’m talking about. Too many people would see it as an adoption of a Protestant custom or an affirmation of something the “liberals” in the Church have been doing, rather than as a restoration of an old Catholic tradition.I would not like to see blue used for Advent. That is a widespread Protestant practice.