Does anyone have a "Right" to my money?

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Does anyone have a “Right” to my money?

Well in common law with very few exceptions (such as the government or some sovereigns) most people own land fee simple. Fee simple land is not exempt from taxation, eminent domain, or police power it is part of the conditions of the title. So under those circumstances others do have a right to your money.

Similarly with income or other taxes. They are part of the powers of a duly constituted government.

Beyond that you may have a personal/moral obligation to help you fellow man that doesn’t necessarily translate into a right on their part though.
 
OneAugustKnight said:
During the homily yesterday, my priest said that people that have less than us have a “right” to our excesses. He said we need to give away our excess and not put it in the bank because it according to God it belongs to the poor, and I am being selfish if I keep it.
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If you are putting it away in order to save it to spend when you need it during your retirement then I would guess it could not be considered an “excess”.
If any more is left over after you die and it goes to your heirs who need it, that could not be considered an excess either.

So is your priest talking about situations where you generate way more income than can be needed by you for the rest of your life and your heirs lives?
 
Just remember what happen to the man and woman who was struck down when they lied to the holy spirit…I believe Saint Peter said to them prior to this that the money was thiers to do what they wanted to do with it. They were struck down not because they kept their money but for lying to the Holy Spirit who was speaking through Saint Peter at the time. So to sum it up…your money, do as you please with it but do not make promises to the church and poor and then do not donate, you never know when angels are visiting or as the saying goes where the wind(spirit) is blowing.:cool:
 
scm said:
If any more is left over after you die and it goes to your heirs who need it, that could not be considered an excess either.
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What if your heirs don’t need it? How do I determine how much my heirs need?
 
stinkcat_14 said:
What if your heirs don’t need it? How do I determine how much my heirs need?
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You ask a simple question, “Do I want to leave this money to the children I brought into this world, and whom I love with all my being, or do I want to leave it to a government bureaucrat who I never met?”😛
 
vern_humphrey said:
You ask a simple question, “Do I want to leave this money to the children I brought into this world, and whom I love with all my being, or do I want to leave it to a government bureaucrat who I never met?”😛
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Are those my only two choices?
 
scm said:
You don’t need to. If the money is excess to them they can give it to the poor.
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What if my heirs are greedy? Should I skip giving it to them and give it directly to the poor?
 
stinkcat_14 said:
What if my heirs are greedy? Should I skip giving it to them and give it directly to the poor?
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You can do whatever you want with it. I’m not proposing a rule.

The point I was making that the original poster’s priest said it was wrong to bank money, and I was saying it is not as clear cut as that. If you are banking money for a future need, it can not be considered an excess. If there is money left over give it to your hiers.
Maybe I used the wrong word but you certainly can will your left over money to the poor, in that case they are your heirs.
 
I think if the issue is your heirs, then it should be remember who your real brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers are, and that certainly would be the church. Rather a group of nuns(sister and mother), or priests(fathers), or brothers. Now should you give to your worldly family, well that depends, my wordly family makes my answer easy and that would be a resounding NO. So I just send out regular donations to a couple of charity, EWTN, Mother Teresa Charity and a few others. That way maybe someone who prayers might be effective in heaven is praying for me and it is solely your responsibility to take care of your family. How much more should this be true of your spiritual family.
 
**I always thought Christianity was imitating Christ, and Christ did not care about material posessions and money. **

Actually, Christ’s followers, especially the women like Mary Magdalen and Susanna provided for Christ and the Apostle’s upkeep through giving of their own resources, as the Gospels attest.

Christ promised that in the measure that WE give, it will be given back to us, a good measure, packed down, shaken together, will be poured back into our laps. We will receive houses, brothers, sisters, resources, WITH PERSECUTIONS. We have to remember that the Christian life involves carrying various crosses even though Christ promises to meet our needs if we are
  1. seeking FIRST God’s Kingdom and God’s Righteousness
    and
  2. extremely generous to the needy, especially to our
    needy Christian brothers and sisters and to the Church
    (read 2nd Corinthians chapter 9 about this).
As St. Paul taught by the Holy Spirit, our Pastors are deserving of some of our resources (Those who preach the Gospel should get their living FROM the Gospel). ( That’s why I can’t understand how middle and upper-middle class Catholics can, in good conscience, only put a dollar in the collection plate, which happens all too frequently at my fairly well-to-do parish).

Also, we have an obligation to render to Caesar the things that are Caesars. Some taxation is necessary for the common good, and that includes healthcare coverage especially for the poor who can’t afford their own insurance.

God bless,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
 
Read todays Scipture Reading (August 25)and that should solve once and for all you questions. That is spiritually inspire by the Holy Spirit and nothing anyone says can conflict with it without being cast to Satan.
The link is ewtn.com/devotionals/inspiration.htm#25
God bless you.
 
donalddon5 said:
Read todays Scipture Reading (August 25)and that should solve once and for all you questions. That is spiritually inspire by the Holy Spirit and nothing anyone says can conflict with it without being cast to Satan.
The link is ewtn.com/devotionals/inspiration.htm#25
God bless you.
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There’s a big difference between my obligation to help others and someone having a right to my money.

We can do more good by investing in businesses that employ people and make them self-sufficient than we can by simply handing over our money to the government or some faceless agency.
 
I am an investor myself (howbeit-a small one). Yes, I believe we should do things that will increase capitalism. Such as investing in business and starting our own businesses. Should we give our money to some faceless government agency. As I see it, we have no choice, it is call taxes and unless you pay them they will take everything you own and throw you in jail; we can however write our representatives and elect those we believe will be in our best interest and form groups that can lobby congress. If your issue is that we should not just be giving money to other country in need and just start businesses in the third world country. Well, as I see it, that argument is certiantly well beyound my ability or education to argue, however I rather them carry a barge full of grain(which I know they do because I work off shore on boats) than to carry a ship full of marines because people are oppress by their own government. I much rather see the Central Intelligence over seas trying to figure out how to help the local than trying to figure out how our businesses can get one up on a foreign country and take what is theirs at a unfair price just so U.S. businesses can maintain a digusting rich nation status. Which government agency are you particularly taking about or is this a Roman Catholic agency you are talking about. This is a very very broad subject.
 
vern_humphrey said:
There’s a big difference between my obligation to help others and someone having a right to my money.

We can do more good by investing in businesses that employ people and make them self-sufficient than we can by simply handing over our money to the government or some faceless agency.
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I believe we do this in just about in every country in the world already as a nation and we do it through our government policies and private businesses. I am sure you have heard of Walmart. The Roman Catholic Church also do this through Social Programs and Their Agencies (I guess you can call them that). Like I mention before Mother Teresa Sisters of Charity is a great example and I am sure there are many more wonderful agency and do they have a right to your money? In the government case you have no choice but in the Roman Catholic case you do. You choice, I done made my choice. God bless you. Respectfully, Donald W.:cool:
 
donalddon5 said:
I am an investor myself (howbeit-a small one). Yes, I believe we should do things that will increase capitalism. Such as investing in business and starting our own businesses.
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Then we are in agreement.
donalddon5 said:
Should we give our money to some faceless government agency. As I see it, we have no choice, it is call taxes and unless you pay them they will take everything you own and throw you in jail; we can however write our representatives and elect those we believe will be in our best interest and form groups that can lobby congress.
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If your issue is that we should not just be giving money to other country in need and just start businesses in the third world country. Well, as I see it, that argument is certiantly well beyound my ability or education to argue, however I rather them carry a barge full of grain(which I know they do because I work off shore on boats) than to carry a ship full of marines because people are oppress by their own government.
The problem is, what do you do when that grain is hi-jacked by thugs, despotic governments, or rival tribes who are using hunger as a weapon?
donalddon5 said:
I much rather see the Central Intelligence over seas trying to figure out how to help the local than trying to figure out how our businesses can get one up on a foreign country and take what is theirs at a unfair price just so U.S. businesses can maintain a digusting rich nation status.
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That’s a pretty broad indictment. Do you have any evidence that this is what we do?

Because your remarks imply we deliberately keep poor nations poor.
donalddon5 said:
Which government agency are you particularly taking about or is this a Roman Catholic agency you are talking about. This is a very very broad subject.
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I am talking about the difference between charity (fulfilling our duties under the Corporal Works of Mercy) and Social Justice – re-wiring the system so most people no longer need charity – to which this particular forum is dedicated…
 
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“I am talking about the difference between charity (fulfilling our duties under the Corporal
Works of Mercy) and Social Justice – re-wiring the system so most people no longer need
charity – to which this particular forum is dedicated”…unquote

I would think that by international trade we could eventually get most people out of charity. It has been a while since I have been to the united nations web site but I believe they probablely are working toward your expectations. And I am aware of a few Roman Catholic international organization that is striving toward peace and feeding the hungry(they certaintly have the “Right” to my money and I am very proud when they accept it. By commiting ourselves to these organization I am sure we will share in their rewards in heaven for the suffering and persecution they endure for the rest of us.

As far as my indictment, that was more of a broad statement, I have not got the legal requirements in order to bring indictments, I think that is an attorney general that does that, and no I can not prove it. However, with internet access today you can come to your own conclusions after reading foreign newspaper that is translated in english. Start with Mexico. Again my opion.

As far as hijacking, etc. well may I turn your own accusation against you and ask if you can prove it, surely you are not a hypocrite and can take your own bashing. But my real answer
should be, " I will pray for them and hope that ever who is sending the grain will continue to try, and that justice and peace will prevail, because that is what the Lord Jesus is about (Justice, Peace).
 
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