Does anyone have a "Right" to my money?

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The school that is associated with my parish is $4,500 per child per year and that’s with the home field discount (and they are K through 8 only). To just get that lowered or even eliminated would be a huge undertaking. And there needs to be a HS added.

That’s a fairly daunting task to me.
According to the news, the Diocese of San Francisco is paying a half billion dollars to the victims of sexual abuse by priests. That would educate about 8,000 children all the way from first grade to high school graduation.

We ought also to set up an endowment fund – let those who attended Catholic schools contribute that way, so eventually we will have enough money to run the schools off the interest.
 
I think this is dead on, and I’ve seen you say it before. (seen you say ??? anyway …) How do I, Joe Pew Sitter and regular working stiff, do that? I mean I give to the poor box every week, that isn’t doing anything. I know it doesn’t do anything because I’ve given to that dang box on the wall every week for ever and it’s still there, it’s not going away. I do think this idea of getting the poor educated and gainfully employed is the ticket. But doesn’t that cross over into the political realm? Or only partially? We should seek political candidates that have education and jobs in their idea bag as well as do … do what?
Well I think there are a lot of things that can be done by the ‘average’ person. Some are going to be things like educating the poor, some will be simply aiding them.

My 12 year old daughter just organized a bake sale that netted about $500 for our parish. And when I say my daughter did it, I mean she actually did it. She called up people to work, she organized a work schedule. She baked (and so did my wife). She organized other kids & parents to bake too. That is a form of direct aid.

Another form of direct aid is volunteering for the parish St Vincent DePaul society. Collecting food and distributing it to the needy.

As for politics, that to me is a very slippery issue to get involved in with education. According to our legal system, the Federal government is NOT involved in local or state education but the national candidates tend to use is as a stumping point. The reality is that most efforts on the national level are NOT effective. So if you want to get involved in schools/education, the local and state levels are the place to do it. But you could also do it at your parish. Vern offered a great series of suggestions. We are taking our parish priest out to dinner Friday night, one of the things we will discuss is raising money for the school. I will propose to him a matching fund raising effort. My wife and I will gather a few other families and we will match any money the rest of the parish raises. So if the parish comes up with $5000, then a small group of families will match that $5000 to raise the total the school gets to $10,000. Not everyone can do this type of effort, but most people can organize bake sales, or car washes, or raffles. Sometimes it takes creativity. In the case of the offer we are making to the parish school, we are asking the WHOLE parish to come up with money, NOT just the school families. It is sad, but in our parish many people don’t consider the school to be anything other than a drain on the parish. They don’t see it is as part of the MISSION of the church, part of the faith formation of 100 little Catholics who will grow up to be big Catholics someday.

We have an obligation to do what we can. In whatever way we can.

AS to the specific question of the thread, who has the “Right” to my money? Well that is a tough one because it makes someone the judge of who has too much or who has more than their needs. Some people can’t afford a big house but have a boat in the driveway. Other people can’t afford a big house but they can afford to spend money on cigarettes and beer. Seems to me that some people are smart and even if they don’t make as much as their neighbor they save some of it and spend the other part more wisely, and they end up better off in the long run.

I will never forget when I first saw food stamps being used. The lady using them had a cart full of “prepared frozen foods” things like Swanson Frozen Fried Chicken and TV dinners (remember those?) and other expensive per portion types of food. I had some boxes of noodles, some ground beef and other staples so I could make spaghetti for dinner. She had dinner all prepared, all she had to do was warm it up. I figured it out, the price for my meal (per portion) was literally under a dollar per person. Her meals were $3 to $4 per person. If we give someone foodstamps, we should also teach them HOW TO COOK AN ECONOMICAL MEAL that will stretch the value. Perhaps we should eliminate some types of food so they cannot be purchased with food stamps?
 
My family’s income is under the poverty line. How does it sound if i tell you that i have a right to your money? What kind of person am i if that is my point of view? Not a good Christian, i’ll tell you that. I am grateful that God gives me opportunities to get ahead, even if it is at a slower pace than I’d like. There is more dignity in a good job opportunity than in a WIC office with some secular humanist explaining the food pyramid to me and nagging me about my kids’ vaccinations. If we treat the poor like stupid kids who need to suckle at the teat of big government, you’ll end up with that kind of an underclass. If we give people hands up instead of handouts and EXPECT things of them, they are more likely to succeed. I don’t think it’s uncharitable to expect an attempt to better themselves because what you expect in return is for them to have a better life; you are not asking for them to do anything for you.
To the original poster: I think your priest is wrong to say that in his homily because his approach is a socialist approach. He does not use a Christ-like approach to show you compassion for those who do without. Instead he attacks you for being successful. That’s kind of liberation theology inspired. Socialism tends to spread by cultivating anger at the “haves”, which is pretty much breeding covetousness in the poor. There are a lot of socialist and communist ideas that have worked their way into the hierarchy of our Church. It infuriates me that Catholic Charities spends a good deal of time petitioning the government to build more social programs for the poor. Why are we giving money to Catholic Charities, then? The faithful used to give money to the Church for orphanages and hospitals and all sorts of fine charitable acts. Now I don’t know what they do with the money except repair the roof when it leaks. We definitely need to give of our time, talent, and treasure according to our means. Not because anyone has a right to it, but because we love our Creator and it is one of the few things we can “give” to Him.
Your priest also infuriates me because making people feel guilty about what they have does not make him a warrior for justice. It accomplishes nothing but offending the faithful. If you see him down at the soup kitchen preaching Christ’s love and giving away the coat off his back, let me know, but otherwise i assume he’s one of these people who thinks that chastising the laity for being uncharitable to unrepentant homosexuals and divorcees is more important than calling the unrepentant to conversion in Christ.:rolleyes:
 
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Do you have any idea how selfish you sound?

I totally agree. What’s with that? So - Proletarian, are you living under a bridge, working 40 hrs a week, and giving it all away? I think the OP is asking a very legitimate question here - I for one am interested in hearing the responses.

~Liza
I’m not going to comment about my own living conditions, or my contributions to the poor; as i will inevitably be accused of self righteousness. So let’s keep this conversation on a theoretical level.
 
Every human being has the right to a minimum standard of life, otherwise known as human rights. Yet 90% of the world’s population lives in poverty.

Money can provide the desperately poor with safe drinking water, food, medical care, and education. Therefore by living in excess and choosing to retain our wealth instead of donate to aid programmes we are denying many people of funds, and are thus contributing to the deprivation of their human rights.
 
Not so much a right, as a practical obligation that society and sucessive governments have made to make sure every child has access to education and that people don’t die from treatable illnesses (depending on where you live of course)
 
oneaugustnight…have a question…forget what your pastor’s homily; how specifically do you think yesterday’s Gospel reading applies to you? What did you think it meant and do you think it is only meant for other people?
 
Can someone define “excess” for me? 🤷
Just what I was thinking – who’s to say what is “excess”? Is it “excessive” to put some of your extra money in the bank (or into investments), so that when you are too old to work anymore, you can at least have some sort of dignified retirement?

Does God (or the Church) require me to give away all of the money that I am investing for retirement, so that when I am old, I will end up having to live under a bridge and beg for scraps? I don’t think so.

Nor do I think that everyone who has more money than I do is required to “even things up” by giving some to me. That does sound sort of like socialism.

I believe it is perfectly possible to help the poor (several other posters in this thread have stated how that can be done) without needing to impoverish oneself, and there is nothing at all selfish about that.
 
Has anyone heard of distributism? I am not sure how it works but it is an economical theory endorsed by G.K. Chesterton and other great catholics. Aside from that I don’t know much.
 
Just what I was thinking – who’s to say what is “excess”? Is it “excessive” to put some of your extra money in the bank (or into investments), so that when you are too old to work anymore, you can at least have some sort of dignified retirement?

Does God (or the Church) require me to give away all of the money that I am investing for retirement, so that when I am old, I will end up having to live under a bridge and beg for scraps? I don’t think so.
I think the question of “what is excess” is something that each of us has to spend some time in prayer contemplating that question. I think that as we get wealthier our definition of excess gets farther out and we get spoiled by our largess. For example, if the A/C broke in my car I would probably consider that to be a source of major suffering, whereas 30 years ago having a car with A/C was never even a thought in my family. So if the A/C in my car part of my excess?

Now, it is possible that God is calling you to give up all of the money that you invested for retirement. I wouldn’t say that it is probable, but it is not like God has never asked anyone to give up their wealth.
 
So if the A/C in my car part of my excess?
Not if you have respiratory problems. Not if you are expected to arrive at work not dripping with sweat and/or smelling like a pig.

It is one thing to spend time in prayerful discernment, but I do have a problem with other people deciding for me (or for anyone else) what constitutes “excess”. Individuals can only discern that for themselves, not for others.
Now, it is possible that God is calling you to give up all of the money that you invested for retirement.
Considering my particular situation (of which you don’t need the details 😉 ), I very much doubt it. 🙂 And my “wealth” will just about allow me to keep a roof over my head, and eat people-food, instead of cat tuna. 😃
 
Not if you have respiratory problems. Not if you are expected to arrive at work not dripping with sweat and/or smelling like a pig.
It does make you wonder though, how did people who worked in offices 50 years ago make it to work without A/C in their car?
It is one thing to spend time in prayerful discernment, but I do have a problem with other people deciding for me (or for anyone else) what constitutes “excess”. Individuals can only discern that for themselves, not for others.
I don’t disagree with you, I just think that as a nation many of us tend to neglect the prayerful discernment part of deciding how we will use our money. I live in a prosperous area and 60% of the catholics where I live don’t bother to go to mass, so I think it is reasonable to assume that there is not much discernment going on. And the result is, many people are living empty lives because of it.
Considering my particular situation (of which you don’t need the details 😉 ), I very much doubt it. 🙂 And my “wealth” will just about allow me to keep a roof over my head, and eat people-food, instead of cat tuna. 😃
I don’t doubt that is the case, my only point was that we can’t rule out the fact that God might ask us to give up everything.
 
It does make you wonder though, how did people who worked in offices 50 years ago make it to work without A/C in their car?
They smelled bad. 😃 But that was the norm then. Everyone always thinks that people in the olden days stayed sweet and dry in the heat – I just read a reminiscence from a woman who was around then, and she said that they just suffered – for example, by the time they got home from church, their clothes were so sweat-soaked that it was like they had been underwater.
I don’t disagree with you, I just think that as a nation many of us tend to neglect the prayerful discernment part of deciding how we will use our money. I live in a prosperous area and 60% of the catholics where I live don’t bother to go to mass, so I think it is reasonable to assume that there is not much discernment going on. And the result is, many people are living empty lives because of it.
I guess I have a different point of view, living in an area that isn’t very prosperous, where it seems that practically everyone goes to Mass. 😃
 
Just what I was thinking – who’s to say what is “excess”? Is it “excessive” to put some of your extra money in the bank (or into investments), so that when you are too old to work anymore, you can at least have some sort of dignified retirement?

Does God (or the Church) require me to give away all of the money that I am investing for retirement, so that when I am old, I will end up having to live under a bridge and beg for scraps? I don’t think so.
I second that thought. As one who has no spouse, no children, and only one sibling in the whole world, I will be completely on my own financially when it comes to my retirement years. The charitable organizations will get a healthy share of what’s left when I am gone – if there IS anything left – so until then, they will get the amount that my conscience dictates, and that amount is between me and God. There is a huge difference between saving/investing for a safe and modest retirement vs. hoarding money so that one can support an extravagant lifestyle. As I see it, I am simply trying to anticipate my future needs so that I don’t wind up as a recipient of charity rather than a donor.
 
The priest didn’t define excess so I won’t.
oneaugustnight…have a question…forget what your pastor’s homily; how specifically do you think yesterday’s Gospel reading applies to you? What did you think it meant and do you think it is only meant for other people?
Specifically, as I reflected on possessions, I realized the greatest thing I have is a relationship with Jesus Christ, and the treasure of being able to receive him in Holy Communion. I owe God everything I think, everything I do, and everything I have to further His glory.

I wish we could give every dime we have to the Church for being instrumental in bringing the light of our Lord into my life. Even then it would not be enough. But my husband says we shouldn’t give more than 20 % (to Church and charity) so that we do not become impoverished.

So the treasure I should be sharing ? The fruits of the graces I receive in the Sacraments aren’t for me alone, they need to be shared with my family and friends and everyone else that I come into contact with. If I can be instrumental in bringing them to heaven, then I will have treasures in heaven. The souls of people I love will be there.

Since this is me thinking about what I think is meant, I don’t think it is for other people, unless I told someone what I thought and it meant something to them. Is this a correct understanding.?
 
I second that thought. As one who has no spouse, no children, and only one sibling in the whole world, I will be completely on my own financially when it comes to my retirement years. The charitable organizations will get a healthy share of what’s left when I am gone – if there IS anything left – so until then, they will get the amount that my conscience dictates, and that amount is between me and God. There is a huge difference between saving/investing for a safe and modest retirement vs. hoarding money so that one can support an extravagant lifestyle. As I see it, I am simply trying to anticipate my future needs so that I don’t wind up as a recipient of charity rather than a donor.
:amen: 👍

That’s pretty much my situation, too. Wouldn’t it be irresponsible to give away my retirement funds (not to mention putting God to the test)? It’s not as if I’m young enough or able-bodied enough to roam from town to town seeking food and shelter.

And my lifestyle after retirement will certainly not be extravagant (it isn’t extravagant now, either). If day-to-day needs don’t eat it all up, I will be in a position to give what’s left to charity, as I won’t be leaving any descendants.
 
:amen: 👍

That’s pretty much my situation, too. Wouldn’t it be irresponsible to give away my retirement funds (not to mention putting God to the test)? It’s not as if I’m young enough or able-bodied enough to roam from town to town seeking food and shelter.
Let me make it clear that I am not suggesting that everyone must give away all their retirement money, all I am suggesting is that we can’t rule out the possibility that God might ask us to give it all away. After all, how much retirement money did Mother Teresa have? I would certainly say she did put God to the test, because she was truly dependent on him for her daily existence.
 
There was actually a warning in our misselette before the Gospel that this Gospel was one of the hardest for Americans to accept with their abundance of wealth and excess of material goods.
I actually don’t have air conditioning in my car. I hope you all don’t think less of me for arriving smelly to work. Truth is, early in the morning on the way to work it’s not that hot yet so you don’t need it as much as you do when you leave work at 5pm, the hottest part of the day.
 
Let me make it clear that I am not suggesting that everyone must give away all their retirement money, all I am suggesting is that we can’t rule out the possibility that God might ask us to give it all away. After all, how much retirement money did Mother Teresa have? I would certainly say she did put God to the test, because she was truly dependent on him for her daily existence.
I would not say that Mother Teresa was putting God to the test. “Putting God to the test” is not a good thing (see Matthew 4:7). Mother Teresa had a very special calling, with special graces attached to it.
 
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