Does anyone have an answer to putrefied host?

[thomann2]

Does anyone have a answer to this? I have some ideas of my own but wanted to put it out there. It is probable simple. I was thinking in the lines of desecration?

"The Catholic Church teaches that Christ is fully present in each of the wafers—millions offered simultaneously around the world each day—for as long as they exist (even though the leftover consecrated bread/body often putrefies—in direct contradiction to the biblical prophecies that His body would never experience corruption).7 "

 

[Tom]

thomann2:

"The Catholic Church teaches that Christ is fully present in each of the wafers—millions offered simultaneously around the world each day—for as long as they exist (even though the leftover consecrated bread/body often putrefies—in direct contradiction to the biblical prophecies that His body would never experience corruption).7 "

Where are you cutting and pasting from? So we can review your next question.

 

[thomann2]

This Southern Baptist neigbhor emailed me this over. This is one of 9 attacks that I’m answering one by one.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE “LEFT-OVER” EUCHARIST?
Most evangelicals (other than former Catholics) are not aware of how Catholic beliefs and practices critically differ from the Bible’s teachings. For example, the Holy Eucharist, which Baptist Bill Clinton and Methodist Hillary received at a Catholic Church in Africa not too long ago, is the antithesis of the biblical remembrance of Christ’s death and resurrection instituted by our Lord. This Catholic ritual, referred to as “the Sacrament of sacraments,” is a total rejection of who Christ is and what He accomplished on Calvary’s hill. In the Mass the priest (and only a priest) is said to transform a wafer of bread into "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."5 “For in the sacrifice of the Mass Our Lord is immolated [killed as in a sacrifice] when `he begins to be present sacramentally as the spiritual food of the faithful under the appearances of bread and wine.’” 6 The Catholic Church teaches that Christ is fully present in each of the wafers—millions offered simultaneously around the world each day—for as long as they exist (even though the leftover consecrated bread/body often putrefies—in direct contradiction to the biblical prophecies that His body would never experience corruption).7

 

[thomann2]

I found the answer-the accidents are the bread and wine. The divinity of our Lord is not touched by any desecration.

 

[jimmy]

thomann2:

This Southern Baptist neigbhor emailed me this over. This is one of 9 attacks that I’m answering one by one.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE “LEFT-OVER” EUCHARIST?
Most evangelicals (other than former Catholics) are not aware of how Catholic beliefs and practices critically differ from the Bible’s teachings. For example, the Holy Eucharist, which Baptist Bill Clinton and Methodist Hillary received at a Catholic Church in Africa not too long ago, is the antithesis of the biblical remembrance of Christ’s death and resurrection instituted by our Lord. This Catholic ritual, referred to as “the Sacrament of sacraments,” is a total rejection of who Christ is and what He accomplished on Calvary’s hill. In the Mass the priest (and only a priest) is said to transform a wafer of bread into "the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained."5 “For in the sacrifice of the Mass Our Lord is immolated [killed as in a sacrifice] when `he begins to be present sacramentally as the spiritual food of the faithful under the appearances of bread and wine.’” 6 The Catholic Church teaches that Christ is fully present in each of the wafers—millions offered simultaneously around the world each day—for as long as they exist (even though the leftover consecrated bread/body often putrefies—in direct contradiction to the biblical prophecies that His body would never experience corruption).7

thomann2, I did not notice this till now, so here is the rest of the answer.

Many protestants claim that the Catholic Church denies the sacrifice of Christ at Calvary and that we resacrifice Christ every Sunday at the mass. This is completely false. The mass is not a new sacrifice each week. It is a representation of the sacrafice of Christ at Calvary, through time, to all of Christs church. If you deny that Christ can do this, you are denying that Christ is God.

Jesus says in John 6 that you must eat his body and drink his blood to have everlasting life. People just walked away from Christ when he said this. He then said to the apostles, “are you going to walk away from me also?” If he was not being litteral about his body and his blood people would not have walked away and he would not have had to ask the apostles if they would also walk away.

Paul says in 1Cor11

26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. 27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. 30 Therefore are there many inform and weak among you, and many sleep.

If the Eucharist is only a symbol, and Christ is not present, how can you take it unworthily and drink judgement upon yourself? The answer is you can’t.

This is not a new teaching either. The earliest Christians also believed in the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Ignatius, a disciple of Peter, said to the Smyrnians

They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer,(7) because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.

continued

 

[jimmy]

Irenaous said

“If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?” (*Against Heresies *4:33–32 [A.D. 189]).

Justin said

“We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration * and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus” (*First Apology **66 [A.D. 151]).

As you can see, three of the earliest theologians believed that the Eucharist was the body and the blood of Christ. You could go through all the other fathers of the church and they would all affirm this teaching.

When the Eucharist changes to the body and blood of Christ all apearances of bread and wine remain. These apearances are called the accidents. They would include color, shape, texture, etc. The deterioration of the Eucharist over time is another one of these accidents. Even though it is the body and blood of Christ all appearances remain and it will deteriorate.

This basically says that the Eucharist is actually the body and blood of Christ. The Lutherans use the term Consubstantiation. Which means that the bread is also present. In the gospels, it does not say this contains my body. It says this is my body. Transubstantiation is the process of the bread and the wine turning into the body and the blood of Christ. This does not affect the doctrine of the true presence at all.

 

[JimG]

First of all, consecrated hosts are routinely used up either in one day’s Masses or in the next day’s Masses. They are not stored long enough to spoil.

Secondly, if they do spoil, they no longer have the appearances of bread, and consequently are no longer the body of Christ.

 

[JimG]

The Mass is not a “re-sacrifice” of Christ. Christ died once only. The Mass is that one sacrifice. The Mass makes that one sacrifice present in the here and now.

 

[yinekka]

thomann2, this Southern Baptist neighbour must have been busy sending you her cutting and pasting. Perhaps if you look up some of the references I gave you in your similiar post in another forum it would save us some time which we might be better spending on our formation and spiritual development.

 

[tru_dvotion]

thomann2,

Here is one other detail regarding the Eucharist.

Any part is treated with reverence. Great care is taken NOT to desecrate. When someone drops a piece during mass, it is set aside and will be consumed by the priest or one of the extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist before the end of the mass. Sometimes when I take communion to the dying and someone ends up choking up a partially dissolved host, we have to retrieve it, place it in a clean glass of water, allow it to dissolve and pour it on a living plant either inside or outside.

The petrified host is a lie. I have never come across petrified hosts, on the contrary. Some days when I do my visitations I have to run around from one church to the next, because the Tabernacle does not have enough hosts left in it. With a large hospital and several extended care facilities in town, some days there is a definite shortage.

 

[pnewton]

tru_dvotion:

Sometimes when I take communion to the dying and someone ends up choking up a partially dissolved host, we have to retrieve it, place it in a clean glass of water, allow it to dissolve and pour it on a living plant either inside or outside.

After the host is dissolved in water there is a specialized place to dispose of it in the sacristy. There a sink has a drain that bypasses the sewer system and goes straight into the ground. I can’t recall the name right now, though it might be “sacrarium” (if not that is a good made-up name).

 

[stbruno]

members.aol.com/bjw1106/euchmir.htm

If you can open this link, this tells you many Eucharistic miracles occuring in the 20th century. I hope you can particularly read about the Miracle of Lanciano,Italy. The actual Eucharist has survived over 1200 years. Then you decide.
I already believe in the Real Presence of the Body and Blood of our Lord in the Eucharist. First Commandment tells me so!

 

[tru_dvotion]

pnewton:

After the host is dissolved in water there is a specialized place to dispose of it in the sacristy. There a sink has a drain that bypasses the sewer system and goes straight into the ground. I can’t recall the name right now, though it might be “sacrarium” (if not that is a good made-up name).

That is correct. But there are no sacrariums in the hospitals.

 

[Timidity]

thomann2:

In the Mass the priest (and only a priest) is said to transform a wafer of bread into…

Don’t let this attack go unanswered! The purpose of reiterating “only a priest” is a subtle way of claiming that Catholics are superstitious occultists.

The priest does not transform anything. We do not believe that our priests have magical powers.

God is the one who does the transformation.

 

[QuicumqueVult]

I don’t agree that once a Host has the appearance of putrefaction it is no longer the Substance of Christ: Body, Soul and Divinity. Who is qualified to make an objective determination of the integrity of its Accidents? If Canon Law can correct me then I will certainly defer to it.

I would never do anything with a Host, or a suspected Host, but consume it, or if it had an appearance of putrefaction, I would put it down a piscina.

We Anglicans call the place where consecrated Species are disposed of a “piscina” (also from the Latin) Here’s a relevant article from an old favourite":

newadvent.org/cathen/12115a.htm

Piscina

(Lat. from piscis, a fish, fish-pond, pool or basin, called also sacrarium, thalassicon, or fenestella)

The name was used to denote a baptismal font or the cistern into which the water flowed from the head of the person baptized; or an excavation, some two or three feet deep and about one foot wide, covered with a stone slab, to receive the water from the washing of the priest’s hands, the water used for washing the palls, purifiers, and corporals, the bread crumbs, cotton, etc. used after sacred unctions, and for the ashes of sacred things no longer fit for use. It was constructed near the altar, at the south wall of the sanctuary, in the sacristy, or some other suitable place. It is found also in the form of a small column or niche of stone or metal.