Does anyone here agree with Religious Liberty?

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I was wondering if anyone here would be willing to admit, plain and simply, that, they agree with Religious Liberty. The only reason I ask this, is because I was posting on a few other forums, whom all claim to be Catholic, and there are, basically, no one, who believes Religious Liberty is true.

Do we have any believers here? Any Priests here who will profess adherence to the doctrines of and surrounding Religious Liberty? I am basically looking for two in Jesus’ name (confirmation in two).

Everyone, thank you, blessings, prayers,
Eli
 
One more thing though. I just want to say, “I do!” It’s in the Catechism, it’s taught by our Priests, it’s taught by the Pope, whom I am with on everything.

Would please anyone say here, “Yes we believe here the doctrines surrounding and of Religious Liberty.”

Thank you everyone, and have a lovely day.,
Eli
 
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I live in a country that has historically been very intolerant of Catholics. I think it would be a little hypocritical, for me to say that I don’t, when I, as a religious minority, am protected by it. That’s not to say there haven’t been a few hiccups, here in the United States with regards to it in the last few years. I also believe, that man should not be forced to violate his conscience, but that being said, I believe as Christians, it is our duty to tell people about Jesus Christ.
 
I do. Jesus said so. No, really, He did. When he called all those following him and told them if they want to leave they can leave. And then the 12 Apostles remained. And he again insisted if they also want to leave and they didn’t. And then he said one of them is a traitor and yet no one left.
If this is not advocating for religious freedom then how else can we interpret this passage (in Luke ch 6)? Christianity cannot fully blossom without it. Christian tradition is however at stake in the face of religious freedom with everyone believing as they wish, but with God’s grace it is not lost.
On the other hand tradition is also better preserved and enriched by those who truly freely believe in its purpose and have a vision of its purpose. More even so then a society educated to preserve tradition. Christian tradition is not just a set of rules it is a living way of worship. When people just ended up following traditional rules without understanding their meaning tradition just started to fade.
In EO countries like mine people followed many traditional rules with little knowledge as to why and how. Things were great in other times or maybe they weren’t great they were spiritually easier because there was only one option - you are Orthodox. Now that society is richer and people can afford more freedom many try to figure out what do they believe in, atheism, attraction to other religions demand their natural toll. Some people leave the Church others find out they want more of her than they were raised to have.
 
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How about what the Church teaches in the Catechism?
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You mean 2108 The right to religious liberty is neither a moral license to adhere to error, nor a supposed right to error, but rather a natural right of the human person to civil liberty, i.e., immunity, within just limits, from external constraint in religious matters by political authorities. This natural right ought to be acknowledged in the juridical order of society in such a way that it constitutes a civil right.

That Catholics should not be compulsed to approve or fund contraception, abortions, same sex “marriage”, etc? That Christians should not be fined if they refuse to make wedding cakes for same sex couples, or to provide wedding photography services to same sex “weddings”?
 
Seeing as how I am typing this in a county founded by one of the earliest religious freedom advocates in USA before I go to confession at a Catholic parish that’s almost as old as the United States, it would be a bit silly for me to say I don’t support religious freedom.

It is a bedrock Constitutional principle of our nation as well as the major reason why many of my ancestors came here in the first place.

Countries that don’t have religious freedom tend to be jolly places like North Korea or Stalinist Russia.
 
Is this a trick question? There are prayers for religious liberty, novenas dedicated to the protection of religious liberty, many Catholic speakers cover this subject. What Catholic wouldn’t be for religious liberty?
 
What forums are you visiting that you’re not getting any support for religious liberty?
 
I assume by “religious liberty” you mean First Amendment Rights (ie the government can’t compel you to practice any particular religion nor can it force you not to practice a religion)?

In that case, my answer is yes, but I have some concerns.

Religion in the US has come to mean “whatever the person claims it to be in the moment”. So now you have the establishment of movements like Jedi, whose practitioners claims to be a religion.
AFAIK, the Jedis aren’t claiming any special privileges.

Now, let me relate a story that I can’t find any documentation on—it’s all word of mouth.
But even if it’s not accurate, it’s still worth thinking about.
A coworker told me that at her children’s school district, furries at the high school there claim to be a religion, and therefore bark and meow at the teacher, who can’t do anything about it because “religious freedom”.

I really don’t know what to say to something like this…
 
adamhovey1988 said:
I live in a country that has historically been very intolerant of Catholics. I think it would be a little hypocritical, for me to say that I don’t, when I, as a religious minority, am protected by it. That’s not to say there haven’t been a few hiccups, here in the United States
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The United States government has always been tolerant of minority religious groups, including Catholics, ever since its founding.

Many of our fellow citizens here certainly have had theological disputes with the Catholic Church, an argument isn’t the same as “intolerance”
 
Ok, I’m a believer in Religious liberty, as described in the Catechism. But I never like threads that kind of preach to the choir, where posters are invited to agree those other people are silly.

You could have made an interesting thread by finding a short, readable, intelligent explanation why some people have concerns about Vatican 2 teaching on Religious Liberty, what that term might mean to some people, and if (they think) it has been used to push other agendas besides sparing heretics from torture. Then invite readers to refute it or agree.
 
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I agree with this. I would like to see an intelligent argument against “Religious Liberty”, however you define it. Might be interesting from a legal perspective.

In the colonial days of USA and even a little later, many states did not have full religious liberty. Some states actively persecuted certain religions (I believe Quakers were killed) and other states only let certain religions vote. If someone could make arguments as to how state-sponsored religion is still good in view of the obvious propensity for abuse, that would be interesting. One could also argue that the state of Utah is coming pretty close today to having a state-sponsored religion and note the pluses and minuses to that.
 
I would guess the OP is likely referring to the Council declaration. The strongest opponents would be SSPX. In a way it’s a moot point because in no country is the Catholic Church really established today. At the time of the Council Spain and Portugal were.
The problem is that Religious Liberty is used as a code for Indifference. The local Jesuit college “theology” Dept presents all religions as equal. The campus has no bias in favor of the Catholic position on prolife, marriage, etc.
Some have this follow up in mind.
 
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I think just about most people agree with religious liberty; I don’t think most people agree on what that phrase means or how it should be applied or implemented vis-à-vis legislation. I also think we have a disproportionate number of people claiming their liberty is being taken or violated when in fact it isn’t.
 
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