Does anyone know if St. John of the Cross prayed the rosary?

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@JimR-OCDS I though as a Carmelite you may know.

I read he prayed the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary on his knees every day but I’ve never read that he prayed the rosary and I couldn’t find it on Google.

According to GabiAfterHours on YouTube, St. Teresa of Avila prayed fifteen decades daily, but I couldn’t find that on Google either.

Another question for @JimR-OCDS and any other Carmelites or those who are knowledgeable about Carmelites: when I read St. John of the Cross it is so profound and sublime that it makes other saints seem “simple” and “unmystical”. Is that the wrong way to think?

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Ps: I’m logging off for a day in 10min I will reply tomorrow night
 
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Your question led me to this article:
https://dynamiccatholic.com/rosary/history-of-the-rosary
which suggests that the Rosary may not have been called the Rosary when St. John of the Cross was alive (and St.Teresa of Avila likewise). It is quite possible that he prayed something like the Rosary. In his writings, does he mention prayer beads (or knots) or repetitive prayer or a prayer like the Hail Mary?
 
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Okay, I was just taking that article’s word that the first recorded use of the word “rosary” was from 1597, although now that I look it up, I see that Merriam-Webster dictionary puts it in 1547.

I think my point was that St. John of the Cross in his writings may not have called it by that name, but may have mentioned it in some other way.
 
I have the Collected Works of Saint John of the Cross on my hard drive, indexed. Let me pull up a couple of references.
 
In order to provide an authoritative answer to the question in this topic, we need to understand the Teresian charism, because St Teresa had already established the reform when she met John, who was planning to leave the Ancient Observance (“Calced” Carmelites) and enter the Carthusians. She convinced him to join her and another interested O.Carm. friar in establishing a similar reform for the friars.

Nowhere in the Teresian Constitutions is there a mandate to pray the rosary. The devotion is certainly permitted. St Teresa mentions the rosary as an aid to mental prayer, reminding the nuns (and us, too) that when we recite the Hours or pray the rosary, we need “to consider whom we are going to speak with, and who we are, so as to know how to speak with Him”. But her mention of the rosary, beyond that, is limited to a reference to her childhood, an incident with another person, and two mystical experiences.

St John of the Cross mentions the rosary only once in his collected works, in the Ascent of Mount Carmel: Book Three, Chapter 35, nn. 7-8; here he discusses vain attachment to statues, paintings of saints, etc.
  • Although on this subject of statues you may have some objection caused by lack of a clear understanding of the nakedness and spiritual poverty demanded for perfection, at least you will not be able to defend through your objections the imperfection commonly found in the use of rosaries. You will hardly meet anyone who does not have some weakness in this matter. They want the rosary to be made in one style rather than another, or that it be of this color or that metal rather than another, or of this or that particular design. One rosary is no more influential with God than is another. His answer to the rosary prayer is not dependent on the kind of rosary used. The prayer he hears is that of a simple and pure heart that is concerned only about pleasing God and does not bother about the kind of rosary used unless in regard to indulgences.
  • Our vain covetousness is such that it clings to everything. It is like the wood borer that gnaws at what is sound and performs its task in both good and bad objects. What else is your motive in carrying around an overdecorated rosary with the desire that it be this kind rather than another and in wanting to choose this statue instead of that other, if not the joy you find in the instrument? And in your concern about their preciousness and artistry, you neglect to consider their faculty for awakening divine love in you…
Therefore, in terms of the Constitutions of St Teresa’s reform, we know that the rosary as an exercise of community prayer was not prescribed. Yet, the rosary is an important part of the habit for Discalced Carmelite friars and nuns, not necessarily worn like costume jewelry. Perhaps it is best to say, based on the testimony we have from friars and nuns over the centuries, that the devotional practice of praying the rosary depends upon each individual. And since we have no record of St John of the Cross counseling one of his directees to pray the rosary, it may have been an intensely personal devotion for him.
 
Considering that he was a reformer of Spanish monasticism, and monasticism has had the LOTH in one form or another, it may be more likely that the LOTH was more prevalent in his prayer life.
 
St John of the Cross was an intellectual who came to learn from St Teresa about interior prayer, which he of course grasped onto quickly and became a great spiritual teacher.

Did he pray the Rosary ? I don’t believe so, but his works aren’t about himself, but about spiritual guidance for those he wrote to. Both St Teresa and St John were more into interior prayer. Verbal prayer was something they taught beginners, before moving toward interior prayer. However, in all cases St Teresa emphasized “mental prayer.”

Much of what he wrote was in poetic form, with commentary following it.

Note, the word, “contemplation,” was not known during St Teresa and St John’s time. They used words like “mental prayer,” or “interior prayer.” Contemplative prayer means the same thing but is a more contemplative term for the same thing.

The Living Flame of Love St John wrote for a woman who had asked him about interior prayer and he actually wrote the prayer while in prison and committed it to memory.

Carmelite spirituality is focused on contemplation, where as other Saints like St Francis, although contemplative, poverty is their focus.

Centered In Christ

Jim
 
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FYI, “Rosary Beads,” predate Christianity, and were used even in the East.

Of course different focus of intention, but they were part of the Orthodox Church using the Jesus Prayer. Not sure how far back that goes however.

In the book, “The Way of the Pilgrim,” the peasant is taught the Jesus Prayer by the Abbots and monks in monasteries he meets along the way, and he uses the Rosary to pray this prayer.
 
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