Does anyone may suffer because of someone else sin?

[hasantas]

This is a typical Muslim or Islam question to try to divide or bring in christains.

Faith must be protected from all suspecions. I think and try much to find truth about faith. Christianity is religion of God. I have to learn much about.

 

[hasantas]

Of course. If you think about it you’ll find that pretty well all bad things in the world are the result of someone’s sin in one way or another, whether it occured 500 years ago, 50 years ago, or last night.

I mean why would God charge and blame us because of our father sin on Judgement Day but not on the world. God is Most Merciful. A question: İf someone have never learnt of Jesus than how would God treat with them. İsn’t there any grace and mercy of God for them?

 

[QNDNNDQDCE]

One way to think about original sin is to consider humanity as a family. When an ancestor commits a heinous crime, he tarnishes the family name and his descendants suffer disgrace even though they did not commit the crime personally. When Adam sinned he brought disgrace on the human family.

God offers salvation to all men. Ad Gentes states, for example, “God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him…” St. Paul writes to Titus, “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.”

 

[GEddie]

One way to think about original sin is to consider humanity as a family. When an ancestor commits a heinous crime, he tarnishes the family name and his descendants suffer disgrace even though they did not commit the crime personally. When Adam sinned he brought disgrace on the human family.

God offers salvation to all men. Ad Gentes states, for example, “God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him…” St. Paul writes to Titus, “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men.”

Except that disgrace isn’t such a big deal, particularly when shared by everybody (no one loses “face” relative to anybody else).

Physical death is worse than the worst nightmare!

ICXC NIKA

 

[Isaiah45_9]

I have red that Christians have a think that Adam ate banned fruit so all humanbeings are sinfull because of that. As much as ı know God forgived Adam. Also should we must be liable because of our father mistake? Life is an exam so mankind is responsible for his decision which he does by his free will.Original sin is not a free will. I wonder how this issue being explained in Gospels.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The consequences of Adam’s sin for humanity

402 All men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as St. Paul affirms: “By one man’s disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners”: "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."290

403 Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam’s sin and the fact that he has transmitted to us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the “death of the soul”.291 Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.292

404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

406 The Church’s teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine’s reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God’s grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam’s fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).297

 

[Isaiah45_9]

I have red that Christians have a think that Adam ate banned fruit so all humanbeings are sinfull because of that. As much as ı know God forgived Adam. Also should we must be liable because of our father mistake? Life is an exam so mankind is responsible for his decision which he does by his free will.Original sin is not a free will. I wonder how this issue being explained in Gospels.

On a more empirical way:

If we look at sin (Against God) in contrast to crime (Against Society):

A crime is not only against a person or an institution, but agains society. For example, if someone murders a 12 y/o child, that crime is not only against the child - but:

1. 
   *]against the family (Dad, Mom, Brothers, Sisters, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, Siblings),
   *]against the school (Friends, Teachers),
   *]against the sports team (Coach, Team players),
   *]against the Church (Pastors, Teachers, Friends),
   *]against the community (Neighbors, Neighborhood friends)
   
   So the crime of one person affects many other persons.
   
   In the case of Adam and Eve, they just not only disobeyed the Living God but they “ate” from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Clearly forbidden by God. God clearly Just and all Knowing must have had a really good reason to prohibit the eating from that tree.
   
   Ask yourself this one question:
   
   How can any of us, finite creatures, created beings – truly understand the knowledge of good and evil?
   
   Simple: We cannot understand it on our own.
   
   This “knowledge” corrupted our understanding. We cannot truly comprehend Good and Evil without God. In the attempt of Adam and Eve to “be like” God in “eating” from the fruit - our human essence is corrupted and we “think” we can understand good and evil on our own.
   
   This is the biggest hoop for scientists and non believers — What is the causality of morality without it being relative?
   
   The only source of this understanding, the only cause for any and all Good is God. He is the cause of Good, while we are the cause of Evil. And only He fully understands the difference.

 

[ready]

As the Baltimore Catechism teaches, God did not abandon man after Adam’s sin, but promised to send into the world a Saviour to free man from his sins and to reopen the gates of heaven. Adam’s sin had its consequences like all sin does, but his “happy fault” gave to us a Saviour who came down and walked the earth among us. God bless you.

 

[fhansen]

I have red that Christians have a think that Adam ate banned fruit so all humanbeings are sinfull because of that. As much as ı know God forgived Adam. Also should we must be liable because of our father mistake? Life is an exam so mankind is responsible for his decision which he does by his free will.Original sin is not a free will. I wonder how this issue being explained in Gospels.

Our free will remains even with OS. We’re here now to be tested: was Adam right, or wrong, in his decision?

 

[hasantas]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The consequences of Adam’s sin for humanity

**

as ı see this issue is being explained by saints and traditional in Church more than from Gospels and Christ Jesus. But faith is so high that only must/can be defined by God with revelations. Faith must be so obvious to everyone can understand but there are many mysteries which make difficult to grasp. There are obvious facts and these are God and Jesus and his miracles.

Let us look at positon of Adam in İslam.

Adam is the first humanbeing and prophet. Devil tempted them and they got expelled from Heavens. This expelling was also an appointment but not only a penalty. This duty was the examing humanbeing on the world which God had purposed. Adam repent and God forgave him. Adam will go Heavens with other prophets and good people. So there is no a lasting transmission sin with heritage. But there is a heritage that weakness and frailty to sin. So upon every times God sent prophets and messiahs.

Adam is not source of sin. Adam did not want to be like God but He wanted a ever lasting life without death. İf everyone look at themselves body and essense they can feel this. no one wants to die. We have been created for a endless life but not on this world.

 

[concretecamper]

I have red that Christians have a think that Adam ate banned fruit so all humanbeings are sinfull because of that. As much as ı know God forgived Adam. Also should we must be liable because of our father mistake? Life is an exam so mankind is responsible for his decision which he does by his free will.Original sin is not a free will. I wonder how this issue being explained in Gospels.

My sin, if serious enough, could have lasting effects on my family or others for generations. Even if I am forgiven, the effects could be devastating. I wonder how you could even ask such a question.

 

[QNDNNDQDCE]

Except that disgrace isn’t such a big deal, particularly when shared by everybody (no one loses “face” relative to anybody else).

Physical death is worse than the worst nightmare!

ICXC NIKA

I took the example from St. Thomas so I hope you don’t think it’s too bad! Of course, the analogy is only limited, but I think it is a good example. In the analogy, the family in question is the human family, so while those in the family might not condemn each other, those outside (viz. God) do.