Does attending Low Mass on a Sunday fulfill the Obligation?

[Rocky24]

My FSSP parish offers a Sung Mass in the morning, but I can’t make it this Sunday. So would attending the Low Mass later in the evening fulfill the obligation?

 

[SteveVH]

My FSSP parish offers a Sung Mass in the morning, but I can’t make it this Sunday. So would attending the Low Mass later in the evening fulfill the obligation?

Did it consist of the liturgy of the Word and the liturgy of the Eucharist? It was Mass. I didn’t realize Catholics distinguised between High and Low Masses anymore.

 

[Zekariya]

Did it consist of the liturgy of the Word and the liturgy of the Eucharist? It was Mass. I didn’t realize Catholics distinguised between High and Low Masses anymore.

There is high/low distinguishing in the Extraordinary Form. Both are equally the Mass.

 

[thistle]

My FSSP parish offers a Sung Mass in the morning, but I can’t make it this Sunday. So would attending the Low Mass later in the evening fulfill the obligation?

If its a Mass it fulfills the obligation.

 

[mymamamary]

My FSSP parish offers a Sung Mass in the morning, but I can’t make it this Sunday. So would attending the Low Mass later in the evening fulfill the obligation?

Of course. The only difference is that a Sung High MASS is for Chant lovers like me, and for those who love the Bells and Smells (Me). A Low MASS is very beautiful in that it is humble, yet grand and very contemplative. I’ve been to a few FSSP Low MASSES. Unbelievably Beautiful. Very contemplative. I love a mixture of Both. Some Sundays I feel like Having the whole 10 yards of Catholic Worship, some Sundays, I feel like I want some private heart to HEART time with Our LORD. However, the answer to yourr question is that it is of course valid. Low MASS and High MASS are both the HOLY SACRFICE. One has Chant, the Other doesn’t.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

Yes, Low Mass fulfills your obligation. The FSSP priest in my diocese had to start out with only Low Mass because there weren’t enough people who knew how to do all the server positions (acolytes, thurifer, etc.) or provide the Greg. chant. Now it is a booming parish with many altar boys and multiple choirs.

 

[aemcpa]

My FSSP parish offers a Sung Mass in the morning, but I can’t make it this Sunday. So would attending the Low Mass later in the evening fulfill the obligation?

Really? Come on, people. And we wonder why the average Catholic thinks traditionalists are nuts.

 

[VirtusTransitus]

Really? Come on, people. And we wonder why the average Catholic thinks traditionalists are nuts.

Perhaps a little charity is in order for an honest question posed on a forum meant to answer honest questions…?

 

[porthos11]

Perhaps a little charity is in order for an honest question posed on a forum meant to answer honest questions…?

While the phrasing of the question above your post may be poor, I did have the same question raised in my head, and I’m having difficulty figuring it out. Why indeed does a question like this arise, honest though it may be?

 

[VirtusTransitus]

While the phrasing of the question above your post may be poor, I did have the same question raised in my head, and I’m having difficulty figuring it out. Why indeed does a question like this arise, honest though it may be?

Because out of 1 “beeelyun” Catholics (my best Carl Sagan…), more than a plurality probably don’t know enough to ask that question much less answer it?

We all need to be smarter about our faith. One way to do that is to ask questions?

Of course, if it’s not an honest question and there’s some agenda I’m not privy to, then I withdraw all comment…

 

[Spudbynight]

Of course. The only difference is that a Sung High MASS is for Chant lovers like me, and for those who love the Bells and Smells (Me). A Low MASS is very beautiful in that it is humble, yet grand and very contemplative. I’ve been to a few FSSP Low MASSES. Unbelievably Beautiful. Very contemplative. I love a mixture of Both. Some Sundays I feel like Having the whole 10 yards of Catholic Worship, some Sundays, I feel like I want some private heart to HEART time with Our LORD. However, the answer to yourr question is that it is of course valid. Low MASS and High MASS are both the HOLY SACRFICE. One has Chant, the Other doesn’t.

There are three forms of Mass in the Extraordinary Form.*

Low Mass - No music, no incense, 2 candles
Missa Cantata - Sung mass, incense, no deacon or subdeacon, 4 candles
High Mass - Sung mass, incense, WITH deacon & subdeacon, 6 candles

It is the presence of the deacon and subdeacon that makes a Mass a High Mass - not the presence of music or incense.

*Technically there are four forms if you include the Pontifical High Mass which is celebrated by a Bishop

 

[Spudbynight]

Did it consist of the liturgy of the Word and the liturgy of the Eucharist? It was Mass. I didn’t realize Catholics distinguised between High and Low Masses anymore.

Liturgy of the Word and Liturgy of the Eucharist only apply in the Ordinary Form of the Mass

 

[ProVobis]

I don’t know why the Anglos did this. They did the same for Low Sunday. It has nothing to do with “low,” implying inferior.

The Mass is officially *Missa Lecta *(read Mass), as opposed to *Missa Cantata *(sung Mass) and *Missa Solemnis *(solemn Mass).

And yes, it fulfills the Sunday Obligation, even if it’s said after Saturday vespere (evening).

 

[Mike30]

Really? Come on, people. And we wonder why the average Catholic thinks traditionalists are nuts.

I find this statement to be rather offensive and I would think reflects the posters own personal views on the subject as I doubt the “average Catholic”, whatever that nebulous term means, knows much about traditionalists at all even if they have heard of them.

Just curious, what would an average Catholic be?

And to the question posted by the OP, there are a lot of people who are relatively new to the Extraordinary Form and really don’t know the intricacies of it yet.

 

[corsair]

Yes, your obligation is fullfilled.

 

[porthos11]

Because out of 1 “beeelyun” Catholics (my best Carl Sagan…), more than a plurality probably don’t know enough to ask that question much less answer it?

We all need to be smarter about our faith. One way to do that is to ask questions?

Of course, if it’s not an honest question and there’s some agenda I’m not privy to, then I withdraw all comment…

Well, yes, but High Mass vs. Low Mass for Sunday obligation? I’m just trying to understand why such a question would even arise.

 

[dshix]

There are three forms of Mass in the Extraordinary Form.*

Low Mass - No music, no incense, 2 candles
Missa Cantata - Sung mass, incense, no deacon or subdeacon, 4 candles
High Mass - Sung mass, incense, WITH deacon & subdeacon, 6 candles

It is the presence of the deacon and subdeacon that makes a Mass a High Mass - not the presence of music or incense.

*Technically there are four forms if you include the Pontifical High Mass which is celebrated by a Bishop

I’m not sure what you mean by those three types. At my parish (and all the parishes around) we have:

Low mass - No music, no incense, 2 candles
High Mass - Sung mass, incense, no deacon or subdeacon, 6 candles
Solemn High Mass - Sung mass, incense, with deacon and subdeacon, 6 candles.

 

[porthos11]

I’m not sure what you mean by those three types. At my parish (and all the parishes around) we have:

Low mass - No music, no incense, 2 candles
High Mass - Sung mass, incense, no deacon or subdeacon, 6 candles
Solemn High Mass - Sung mass, incense, with deacon and subdeacon, 6 candles.

This is our understanding too. The “High Mass = Deacon and Subdeacon” was postulated in the old Catholic Encyclopedia (Fortescue), but it doesn’t seem to be the accepted terminology for anglophones today, i.e. High Mass = six candles, singing, incense; Solemn High Mass = High Mass + Deacon and Subdeacon.

 

[aemcpa]

This is our understanding too. The “High Mass = Deacon and Subdeacon” was postulated in the old Catholic Encyclopedia (Fortescue), but it doesn’t seem to be the accepted terminology for anglophones today, i.e. High Mass = six candles, singing, incense; Solemn High Mass = High Mass + Deacon and Subdeacon.

The Missa Cantata (what many people call High Mass) was a relatively recent innovation, a sort of Via Media for places that were able to sing Mass but didn’t have sufficient clergy to be able to regularly celebrate Mass with a deacon and subdeacon.

 

[ProVobis]

The Missa Cantata (what many people call High Mass) was a relatively recent innovation, a sort of Via Media for places that were able to sing Mass but didn’t have sufficient clergy to be able to regularly celebrate Mass with a deacon and subdeacon.

It seems that way. According to wiki

The Missa Cantata came into use during the 18th century and was intended for use in non-Catholic countries where the services of a deacon or a subdeacon (or clergy to fill these parts in the ceremony of the Mass) were not easily had. It was intended to be used in place of Solemn Mass on Sundays and major feast days.

The Catholic Encyclopedia (1913 ed.) stated: “Only in churches which have no ordained person except one priest, and in which high Mass is thus impossible, is it allowed to celebrate the Mass (on Sundays and feasts) with most of the adornment borrowed from high Mass, with singing and (generally) with incense. The Sacred Congregation of Rites has on several occasions (9 June 1884; 7 December 1888) forbidden the use of incense at a Missa Cantata; nevertheless, exceptions have been made for several dioceses, and the custom of using it is now generally tolerated.”[3]

Any remaining doubt about the full legitimacy of using incense at a Missa Cantata was cleared up by the 1960 Code of Rubrics, which stated: “The incensations that are obligatory in Solemn Mass are permitted in every Missa Cantata”.[4]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missa_Cantata