Does Being Gay equal to being pro-'chioce'/Pro-Abortion?

[Bennie_P]

In my eyes and the why I perceive Church teaching about acting out on SSA (homosexual activity) and promoting Same Sex Marriage is part of the Culture of Death. Outside of Church teaching one of the things that reinforces this idea to me that "gays and lesbians’ are part of the “Culture of Death” is that Gay Rights/SSM movements seem to embrace a Pro-Abortion stand. Are Gays and Lesbians overwhelming Pro-Abortion?

He chuckled at his own joke, but suddenly he sobered. “You know,” he continued thoughtfully, “it is possible, isn’t it? I mean, if science could isolate the gay gene, we could be engineered out of existence – and maybe in the next thirty years instead of the next three hundred.”
And of course, we could be. The discovery of the “gay gene”, which most of us are convinced exists, will be a double-edged sword for gays and lesbians when and if it happens. On the one hand, it would demolish forever the argument that gays “choose” their orientation and are thus undeserving of protected minority status like African-Americans or the handicapped. But on the other hand, if the exact cause of our sexual orientation could be determined, it would be no time at all before science offered a “cure” for homosexuality – perhaps not for those of us who are already legally recognized as persons in our own right, but certainly for prospective parents who might be “at risk” of giving birth to a gay son or lesbian daughter. And if the cure turned out to be too expensive – well, there would be another option for parents who didn’t want the responsibility of bringing a “different” child into the world. Thanks to Roe v. Wade, they could always choose abortion. Full Article

If they are overwhelming Pro-Abortion are they in reality secretly wishing for a way to element homosexuality?

 

[jc-servant]

I don’t know why you decided to make such a sweeping generalization about what gay people believe about abortion. Having everyone abort unwanted children would kind of throw a wrench in the plans that many gay couples have to adopt, so it does not make sense that they would be overwhelmingly pro-abortion as a group of people.

Just because they are attracted to the same sex does not make them one unified group anymore than all Catholics or all Americans or any other large group of people. You can try to extrapolate from the more vocal ones, but you would likely be wrong because look at some of the loud mouthed Catholics in the media.

 

[Julianna]

jc-servant…:hug3:

 

[rlg94086]

In my eyes and the why I perceive Church teaching about acting out on SSA (homosexual activity) and promoting Same Sex Marriage is part of the Culture of Death. Outside of Church teaching one of the things that reinforces this idea to me that "gays and lesbians’ are part of the “Culture of Death” is that Gay Rights/SSM movements seem to embrace a Pro-Abortion stand. Are Gays and Lesbians overwhelming Pro-Abortion?

If they are overwhelming Pro-Abortion are they in reality secretly wishing for a way to element homosexuality?

Hi Bennie P,

I think the majority of Gay Rights advocates are certainly pro-choice. I have seen and agree with the argument posed in your link. I don’t think to many Gay Rights advocates have really thought it out…either that or they are deluded into thinking that everyone will embrace homosexuality as “normal” and equal to heterosexuality. They are counting on people with a pro-choice bent not to treat a fetus with the “gay gene” the same as they treat a fetus with Downs Syndrome. This is a miscalculation IMHO.

I think it is ironic that the groups that these advocates despise (orthodox Catholics, orthodox Jews, Evangelicals) are the people who would not abort their child, even if they are born with a “gay gene.” We may still seek other treatments (gene therapy) and call our children to chastity, but abortion is out.

Pax,
Robert

 

[melensdad]

I’m sorry but I can’t even figure out how to answer the poll, for for that matter what good a poll like that could even accomplish* (of course that assumes I understood how to answer the poll).*

 

[Publisher]

Agreed, there is no “Chief Homo” who rules the hearts and minds of all gay people. Gay men and women are as varied in their beliefs and persuasions as are other people…such sweeping generalizations and stereotypical statements reflects more concerning the ignorance of the poster than it does to the beliefs of gay men and women and it no way reflects truth in the daily life of gay men and women.

 

[rlg94086]

I don’t know why you decided to make such a sweeping generalization about what gay people believe about abortion. Having everyone abort unwanted children would kind of throw a wrench in the plans that many gay couples have to adopt, so it does not make sense that they would be overwhelmingly pro-abortion as a group of people.

Just because they are attracted to the same sex does not make them one unified group anymore than all Catholics or all Americans or any other large group of people. You can try to extrapolate from the more vocal ones, but you would likely be wrong because look at some of the loud mouthed Catholics in the media.

I think it is fair to say that the majority of Gay Rights advocates are pro-choice. Your link to adoption is a weak one. While it is true that if every “unwanted child” was aborted there would be no adoption, I don’t think that people make the leap in logic that they can’t adopt and be pro-choice.

 

[melensdad]

there is no “Chief Homo”

:bigyikes: next thing I’m going to learn is that there is no Tooth Fairy either

 

[Bennie_P]

I think it is fair to say that the majority of Gay Rights advocates are pro-choice. Your link to adoption is a weak one. While it is true that if every “unwanted child” was aborted there would be no adoption, I don’t think that people make the leap in logic that they can’t adopt and be pro-choice.

Adoption? This is about being Pro-Life or pro-abortion among gays. Yes I messed up on the poll I should have stated it "I am… "’ I allowed multi-choices so Gays/Bi/Lesbians could also be indentified by religion conserning their stand also. If you haven’t voted yet only choose what applies to yourself - OK.

The link is to an op-ed from plagal.org is a Gay and Lesbian Pro-Life group. The op-ed is not my personal opinion.
I also want Gays/Bi/Lesbians to have a honest chance to dispute my perception and find out what Gays/Bi/Lesbians on this forum (and there are lot of them) stand on the abortion issue.

Give me a break, please:blush:

 

[rlg94086]

Adoption? This is about being Pro-Life or pro-abortion among gays. Yes I messed up on the poll I should have stated it "I am… "’ I allowed multi-choices so Gays/Bi/Lesbians could also be indentified by religion conserning their stand also. If you haven’t voted yet only choice what apllies to yourself OK.

The link is to an op-ed from plagal.org is a Gay and Lesbian Pro-Life group. The op-ed is not my personal opinion.

I understand Bennie P…I was responding to jc-servant’s attempt to link it to adoption.

 

[Bennie_P]

I understand Bennie P…I was responding to jc-servant’s attempt to link it to adoption.

Sorry, I miss understood your post

 

[Bennie_P]

I’m sorry but I can’t even figure out how to answer the poll, for for that matter what good a poll like that could even accomplish* (of course that assumes I understood how to answer the poll).*

So you are the one that voted 10 times

 

[rlg94086]

I don’t know why you decided to make such a sweeping generalization about what gay people believe about abortion. Having everyone abort unwanted children would kind of throw a wrench in the plans that many gay couples have to adopt, so it does not make sense that they would be overwhelmingly pro-abortion as a group of people.

Just because they are attracted to the same sex does not make them one unified group anymore than all Catholics or all Americans or any other large group of people. You can try to extrapolate from the more vocal ones, but you would likely be wrong because look at some of the loud mouthed Catholics in the media.

Did some research…

The “gay” vote in 2004 split 23% Bush, 77% Kerry.
washblade.com/blog/index.cfm?blog_id=155

And, the voting participation is quite high - ~92%
tcf.org/list.asp?type=NC&pubid=1658

So, I think it is safe to say that over 75% of people who identify themselves as “gay” are Democrats. The majority of Democrats are pro-choice. Therefore, the majority of gays and lesbians are pro-choice.

Majority does not mean all, so please don’t get upset with the facts. From my own anecdotal experience, I had a lesbian neighbor who had kids from her marriage before choosing the gay lifestyle - she was a pro-life, Christian Republican. I met another lesbian couple who adopted two children who were physically abused and otherwise could not be placed in a home - they were pro-choice Democrats. Most of the gay aquaintances I had (no kids) in the Bay Area were pro-choice Democrats, but then…most of the Bay Area is pro-choice Democrat.

Also, Rosie O’Donnell is very pro-adoption and *very *pro-choice. She doesn’t seem to have a problem holding both positions.

 

[Mirdath]

Bennie, without even bringing homosexuality into it, you’re making the fatal mistake of assuming that if one is not absolutely pro-life, one actively encourages abortion for any and all reasons – or indeed for no reason at all. Being pro-choice is just that: a choice, not a mandate ‘thou shalt abort’. Nobody goes out and pays hundreds of dollars to have an abortion just for the hell of it. It’s a common error for many pro-lifers – they assume, whether out of ignorance or active malevolence, that everybody on the other side of the fence thinks of abortion as a fun weekend activity.

I am pro-choice; I also hope with all my heart that abortions become as rare as possible. And I’m hardly the only person who thinks like this.

One also has to wonder which is worse: dying unborn, or growing up with a family that wanted to abort you for being gay, having Downs, being too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, having too long a nose, a predisposition to alcoholism – where does eugenics end?

Yes, many gay and bi people are pro-choice. So are many straight people who would also have been aborted under a eugenics program like what you’re suggesting. There are plenty of conservatives among both groups too. Perhaps the conservative GLBT people may be quieter because other social conservatives tend to abhor their very nature; but they do indeed exist.

“Chief Homo”

 

[Publisher]

:bigyikes: next thing I’m going to learn is that there is no Tooth Fairy either

I’m sure the fact of there not being a Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus has shocked as many who learn there is no “gay agenda” or “Cheif Homo”…I hear a lot of the “gay agenda” but I have never seen it published anywhere.

The only “gay agenda” I know of is of a friend of mine…

Rise at 7:00 am

Gym at 8:00

work at 9:00 am

Lunch at 12:00

go home 6:00

dinner at 7:30 pm

bed at 10:00 pm

WHEW!!! Some gay agenda…STOP THE MADNESS!!!

 

[Mirdath]

The only “gay agenda” I know of is of a friend of mine…

Rise at 7:00 am

Gym at 8:00

work at 9:00 am

Lunch at 12:00

Plot downfall of Western civilization at 1:00 meeting

go home 6:00

dinner at 7:30 pm

bed at 10:00 pm

Fixed that for you

 

[TOP]

I voted Catholic / Pro-life. I don’t know anyone who claims to be gay, so I don’t know their beliefs to comment on even if I would. And I also don’t see a connection with abortion. See , Thats why I live in a cabin in the woods. Tim

 

[Bennie_P]

I’m sure the fact of there not being a Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus has shocked as many who learn there is no “gay agenda” or “Cheif Homo”…I hear a lot of the “gay agenda” but I have never seen it published anywhere.

The only “gay agenda” I know of is of a friend of mine…

Rise at 7:00 am

Gym at 8:00

work at 9:00 am

Lunch at 12:00

go home 6:00

dinner at 7:30 pm

bed at 10:00 pm

WHEW!!! Some gay agenda…STOP THE MADNESS!!!

Didn’t you get the Memo?
Here, it is published - The Overhauling of Straight Americahttp://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/archives.php?id=9778353
by Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill
First Published in Guide Magazine, Nov 1987

and the Book that grew from the article …

After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s (Paperback)
by Marshall Kirk (Author), Hunter Madsen (Author)

Why you catch up on your reading, Let the rest of us concentrate on the subject and issues of Gays and abortion/choice/Life.

 

[rlg94086]

I am pro-choice; I also hope with all my heart that abortions become as rare as possible. And I’m hardly the only person who thinks like this.

One also has to wonder which is worse: dying unborn, or growing up with a family that wanted to abort you for being gay, having Downs, being too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, having too long a nose, a predisposition to alcoholism – where does eugenics end?

I think growing up adopted by a loving family after you were put up for adoption would be preferred. However, growing up in adverse conditions would still be better than dying unborn IMHO. Killing the unborn should not be a choice.

Many people who make the decision to abort a Down’s baby (would also apply to “gay” babies, handicapped, etc.) are doing so out of a screwed up sense of compassion, not just selfishness. They think the most “loving” thing they can do is abort them, rather than subject them to a life as a Down’s child in this world. It is a sick thought process that only someone with a pro-choice outlook could have.

 

[melensdad]

So you are the one that voted 10 times

Nope. I did not vote 10 times. But if I could have figured out how to . . .

But I still don’t think the poll is very clear.

I am a Pro-Life Catholic. That is pretty clear.
Poll Question:

does sexual orientation and/or religion make a difference?

However your question/statement about sexual orientation is the part that seems to be completely unclear to me. I was unsure if you were asking if we felt that people of same sex orientation or of different beliefs might be pre-disposed to some beliefs.