Does Being Gay equal to being pro-'chioce'/Pro-Abortion?

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I still don’t see a connection other then it is a sin either way. It could be abortion/ masturbating, abortion/ drinking heavily. I think that same sex marriage is not in accord to proper traditional family structure, but either is beating your wife/ husband. Should read “does being a sinner equal to being pro-choice” or “does being gay equal being a sinner” as a poll. There could be a debate about the op, a shallow one, but I don’t see a clear poll. Tim
 
melensdad said:
Nope. I did not vote 10 times. But if I could have figured out how to . . . :rolleyes:

But I still don’t think the poll is very clear.

I am a Pro-Life Catholic. That is pretty clear. However your question/statement about sexual orientation is the part that seems to be completely unclear to me. I was unsure if you were asking if we felt that people of same sex orientation or of different beliefs might be pre-disposed to some beliefs.
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Sorry I didn’t make it clearer:o But as I stated in an earlier post, the poll should have stated “I am pro-…” and I gave the option for GBLs to voice thier selection both by gender and by religion. And I should of been more clear with the poll question, if you haven’t answered the poll just answer for what you are “Gay and pro-choice” “Catholic and pro-choice”, whatever you claim to be and your position. But just check off what you are, sorry hetersexuals have basically only one choice. Except the one person I know on the forums that claims to be agnostic and Catholic, but I didn’t agnostics a choice at all. Well I did under non-Christian, so shoot me - 🤷 this is not scientific:rolleyes: .

Sorry for the false accusation,😊 Now I wonder who really tried to mess the poll up?:hmmm:
 
Bennie_P said:
just answer for what you are “Gay and pro-choice” “Catholic and pro-choice”, whatever you claim to be and your position. But just check off what you are, sorry hetersexuals have basically only one choice.
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I guess that is what confused me.

If I was both Gay & Catholic or Gay & Non-Catholic . . . then I would vote twice, but being a married hetrosexual Catholic I only get to vote once, etc.
 
melensdad said:
I guess that is what confused me.

If I was both Gay & Catholic or Gay & Non-Catholic . . . then I would vote twice, but being a married hetrosexual Catholic I only get to vote once, etc.
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I wasn’t insinuating anything, I just didn’t want to bias your vote.😃
 
Bennie_P said:
Didn’t you get the Memo?
Here, it is published - The Overhauling of Straight Americahttp://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/archives.php?id=9778353
by Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill
First Published in Guide Magazine, Nov 1987

and the Book that grew from the article …

After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s (Paperback)
by Marshall Kirk (Author), Hunter Madsen (Author)

Why you catch up on your reading, Let the rest of us concentrate on the subject and issues of Gays and abortion/choice/Life.
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Oh my goodness. Two men wrote a book. Woopee… does that mean all people with SSA think like them?

On the topic… I would think that if you took a poll of every gay person in America, you would find different beliefs. Just as you do in the straight community. My guess on their voting practices, as well, are more about Gay Rights issues than they are about abortion.

Kim
 
I watched a show once on surrogate parenting. A lesbian woman was a surrogate for two gay men. She told the men she would not reduce should there be more than one baby. The men had been considering trying more than one implant(not sure if that is the correct word for a human being). Anyway the entire show struck me as odd, but I remember thinking that was about the only thing made sense in the entire scenario. I don’t know that the lesbian was in fact “pro all life” or just pro a life that she helped create.
 
Bennie_P said:
In my eyes and the why I perceive Church teaching about acting out on SSA (homosexual activity) and promoting Same Sex Marriage is part of the Culture of Death. Outside of Church teaching one of the things that reinforces this idea to me that "gays and lesbians’ are part of the “Culture of Death” is that Gay Rights/SSM movements seem to embrace a Pro-Abortion stand. Are Gays and Lesbians overwhelming Pro-Abortion?

If they are overwhelming Pro-Abortion are they in reality secretly wishing for a way to element homosexuality?
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No, not at all. There is no correlation even before you could debate (which I will not do there) on the meanings of “pro-life” and “pro-choice”.
 
mesquite_magic said:
Oh my goodness. Two men wrote a book. Woopee… does that mean all people with SSA think like them?

On the topic… I would think that if you took a poll of every gay person in America, you would find different beliefs. Just as you do in the straight community. My guess on their voting practices, as well, are more about Gay Rights issues than they are about abortion.

Kim
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No one on this thread…OP included…has stated that gay people all have the same beliefs. The words “majority” and “overwhelming majority” have been used in regards to the view of gay people on abortion rights.

Clearly, there are some pro-life gays, but I don’t think it is a stretch at all to say that the majority are pro-choice, based on party affiliation and voting patterns (3-1 Democrat). While not all Democrat gays are pro-choice, I think it is safe to say that most are (as are most Democrat heterosexuals). While not all Republican gays are pro-life, I think it is safe to say many are (as are many Republican heterosexuals).

Certainly, the most vocal gay rights advocates have supported abortion rights as well. If you can find something showing that there is a large, pro-life gay contingent, please post it.
 
rlg94086 said:
No one on this thread…OP included…has stated that gay people all have the same beliefs. The words “majority” and “overwhelming majority” have been used in regards to the view of gay people on abortion rights.

Clearly, there are some pro-life gays, but I don’t think it is a stretch at all to say that the majority are pro-choice, based on party affiliation and voting patterns (3-1 Democrat). While not all Democrat gays are pro-choice, I think it is safe to say that most are (as are most Democrat heterosexuals). While not all Republican gays are pro-life, I think it is safe to say many are (as are many Republican heterosexuals).

Certainly, the most vocal gay rights advocates have supported abortion rights as well. If you can find something showing that there is a large, pro-life gay contingent, please post it.
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plagal.org/

I don’t know how large it is, but it’s a start.

Kim
 
My granddaughter is gay, after seeing these posts I asked her what her opinion was on this matter,I kind of knew what it would be, and I was right,she is not pro-choice and is not pro abortion,so there’s a vote.
 
mesquite_magic said:
plagal.org/

I don’t know how large it is, but it’s a start.

Kim
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900 members…but you are correct, it is a great start. 👍
bustedhalo.com/GayProudandPro-LifePart1.htm
[btw…you may notice in the article, that the president of PLAGAL is a far left, Green party member…yet, still pro-life]

The larger Gay Rights groups generally side with the pro-choice side - NGLTF has been around since 1973 and has over 17000 members:
Damn right we support a woman’s right to choose

By Matt Foreman, Executive Director, May 14, 4:53 pm

http://www.thetaskforce.org/files/pictures/picture-29.jpg
To the Editors:
James Kirchick accuses the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force of speaking out on an issue that is “at best tangential to the community” when we criticized the Supreme Court’s recent decision upholding legislative bans on late-term abortions.
Kirchick says “the only way in which abortion could ever be tied to gay political concerns is in the rare case when a surrogate or lesbian mother decides, for whatever reason, to abort the fetus that she agreed to carry prior to insemination.”
It is difficult to discern in what universe he’s living: the one full of men, gay and not, where the unwanted sexual violence of rape and incest could never result in unwanted pregnancy, or the one where the unwanted sexual violence of rape and incest magically never results in unwanted impregnation of women.
Either universe is far away from the place where women — lesbian, bisexual and straight — live today. Moreover, nature dictates that even wanted pregnancies can produce deformed and diseased fetuses. Any woman needs to be able to terminate a pregnancy when her life will be degraded on account of it, no matter her sexual orientation, no matter how she became pregnant.
This is about much more than access to abortion, as important as that is. It is about who controls our bodies and our sexualities. Reproductive freedom and gay rights are inextricably intertwined. Simply put, we would not have Lawrence but for Roe.
Longer than any other national LGBT organization — more than 34 years to be exact — we’ve been advocating equality within a larger social justice framework. Do we support a woman’s right to choose? Damn right. Always have. Always will. No apologies. No regrets.
Matt Foreman
Executive Director

National Gay and Lesbian Task Force​
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mesquite_magic said:
Oh my goodness. Two men wrote a book. Woopee… does that mean all people with SSA think like them?
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Personally I hope they don’t, because if you read my first link they presented a clear cut agenda, which in someways appears in some circles to be working. I would rather for the flamboyant drag queens, butch lesbians, and the hatefilled neo-Nazis types to be in the public eye instead of lurking in the dark waiting to take over. In 1989 Kirk and Madsen where saying the “gay rights” movement had failed - 18 years later with the push for SSM I wonder? It appears some people did read their book and :eek: time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,958116,00.html
To that end, Kirk and Madsen assert, gays need to project an unthreatening, respectable image to the straight world. They advise curbing flamboyant excesses and keeping drag queens and butch lesbians out of the public eye. Explains Madsen: “If you want to stop the fire of bigotry, don’t put it out with gasoline.” The authors advocate a calculated national media campaign $ using clean-cut types, an idea they first suggested in 1985.
While praising the book’s analysis of anti-homosexual sentiment, many gays reject its arguments. Self-acceptance is still a major hurdle for gay men and women, critics insist. But they are most riled by the suggestion that gays need to tone down and blend in: that would slash at the heart of the gay- rights movement, they charge. Says Sherrie Cohen of the Fund for Human Dignity: "We’re for embracing diversity and for protecting the civil rights of anyone who is perceived as ‘different.’ " Toby Marotta, a sociologist in San Francisco, finds the book’s thesis the same “homophile argument used before Stonewall and abandoned afterward.” Some gays believe, too, that the conservative approach may actually encourage homosexuals to remain invisible; the better gays succeed in blending in, they suggest, the easier and more tempting it may be to hide their sexuality
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mesquite_magic said:
On the topic… I would think that if you took a poll of every gay person in America, you would find different beliefs. Just as you do in the straight community. My guess on their voting practices, as well, are more about Gay Rights issues than they are about abortion.
Kim
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Personally, I never meet a “gay” activist that wasn’t pro-abortion.
 
I am happy and content with my same sex attraction. Therefore I consider nyself gay. But I am against abortion. Therefore I consider myself prolife. One can be gay and prolife.
 
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