Does Buddhist recognize/address sin?

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Living in Japan as a Christian, it does seem that Buddhism has been put to the way side in mainstream living (Technology seems to be the god of most). How does Buddhism address the decline of their state in Japan when it comes to the daily sins that occur? Is it just me or do the majority of Japanese people only regard religion when it comes to weddings and funerals? Just a question from my observations, not meant to stir up any trouble.

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Living in Japan as a Christian, it does seem that Buddhism has been put to the way side in mainstream living (Technology seems to be the god of most). How does Buddhism address the decline of their state in Japan when it comes to the daily sins that occur? Is it just me or do the majority of Japanese people only regard religion when it comes to weddings and funerals? Just a question from my observations, not meant to stir up any trouble.
I have never been to Japan, so I cannot speak about Japan.

Sin is a Christian concept, not a Buddhist one. The closest equivalent in Buddhism is unskilful (or unwise) actions.

rossum
 
What are some examples that would be considered unlearned/unskilled actions that would effect karma (Adultery, murder, sexual immorality, etc)?

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed
 
What are some examples that would be considered unlearned/unskilled actions that would effect karma (Adultery, murder, sexual immorality, etc)?
All of those are unskilful. The five moral rules are:* to avoid injuring living things.
  • to avoid taking what is not given.
  • to avoid sensual misconduct.
  • to avoid false and malicious speech.
  • to avoid intoxicants.
Those cover pretty much the same ground as the Ten Commandments, if you take out the ones about God and the Sabbath. Buddhists generally place more emphasis on ‘You shall not kill’ and less emphasis on ‘You shall not commit adultery’ than Christians do but the difference is one of emphasis not of substance.

Most conscious actions cause karma - giving to charity causes good karma, killing someone causes bad karma:Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with an evil mind then suffering will follow you,
as the wheel follows the draught ox.

Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with a pure mind then happiness will follow you,
as a shadow that never leaves.

Dhammapada 1:1-2
The unskilful nature of wrong actions is that in trying to pursue happiness the person performs actions that bring suffering upon them.

rossum
 
If you live in Tokyo why don’t you just go to a temple and ask some monk? They don’t bite.
 
To answer the question of the OP, Buddhism has no concept of sin. Siddhartha Gautama taught that life is a state of deep suffering. To destroy suffering and attain Nirvana, which is essentially a state of annihilation and non-self, a person must destroy attachments and the notion of the ego, the “I” in our human equation. There is no “I” there is no “self” but just energies, bundles, perceptions combining with our daily lives that create false notions of attachments, needs, desires, and an ego. Right thinking is the crux of Buddhism, destroying attachments and the illusion of the self. There is no sin, no god to offend, no theology as there is no theos. Sin isn’t a factor, only wrong thinking and wrong action that leads to further illusion and loss of reality.
 
Well said. Doesn’t this fall under deception from satan? No sin, only self inflicted suffering from uncontrolled human emotions and desires? Well, how did this moral code come about if no higher being set a standard and how did humans get this instinct/emotion of right and wrong? Confusing to say the least.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed
 
If you live in Tokyo why don’t you just go to a temple and ask some monk? They don’t bite.
Good question. Here is my answer. I will become involved in how sin does exsist and how a persons decisions can be affected by evil influence (a decision a person has to make/reject sinful weakness or accept/justify the sinful act). Then by requirement, I will ask him if he knows who Jesus is and has he accepted him as his Lord and Savior. Then I will point out the mircles that Christ performed in the Gospels as written by the witnesses who saw them (not written by himself), especially the resurrection. This is where the Buddhist Monk will shut down and try to explain to me how human suffering is due to only self human desires, then I will say where do these selfish desires for evil come from if the self doesn’t exsist? It is a battle that I want the monk to win through Christ, but he would have to be released from the deception of no sin/evil. Again, the greatest deception the devil has, is convincing people he and sin don’t exsist.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed
 
Well said. Doesn’t this fall under deception from satan?
That seems like a question for other Christians.
Well, how did this moral code come about if no higher being set a standard and how did humans get this instinct/emotion of right and wrong? Confusing to say the least.
Let me try to explain it for you. Humans suffer because we are egotistical. Everything is about what we want. We want beautiful women, cars, houses, televisions. We want that new promotion. We want to be able to live forever, because we are clearly too important for this world to go on without us.

The Buddha was able to overcome all of this – the ignorance, the egoism, the “wants” of our lives. The moral code comes from his teachings. He was able to overcome the egoism and wanted to help others overcome egoism. To do this, the Buddha began teaching. The Buddhist ethical system comes from these teachings. The Buddha did not so much teach of what is right and wrong – rather, he taught in the terms of actions that either help or hamper our way to overcoming egoism. For instance, stealing something would hamper our way because it is an action that can cause suffering and also bring negative kamma.

The Lord Buddha was not god or prophet or any other supernatural type of being. He was, however, someone who was able to discover the way that things really were (reality). Because of this, his teachings are the “higher power” in which moral conduct is derived from.
 
That seems like a question for other Christians.

Let me try to explain it for you. Humans suffer because we are egotistical. Everything is about what we want. We want beautiful women, cars, houses, televisions. We want that new promotion. We want to be able to live forever, because we are clearly too important for this world to go on without us.

The Buddha was able to overcome all of this – the ignorance, the egoism, the “wants” of our lives. The moral code comes from his teachings. He was able to overcome the egoism and wanted to help others overcome egoism. To do this, the Buddha began teaching. The Buddhist ethical system comes from these teachings. The Buddha did not so much teach of what is right and wrong – rather, he taught in the terms of actions that either help or hamper our way to overcoming egoism. For instance, stealing something would hamper our way because it is an action that can cause suffering and also bring negative kamma.

The Lord Buddha was not god or prophet or any other supernatural type of being. He was, however, someone who was able to discover the way that things really were (reality). Because of this, his teachings are the “higher power” in which moral conduct is derived from.
So it sounds more like a higher human philosophy than a religion based on a higher deity. Yet, Buddhism is considered a religion? Interesting.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed
 
I will become involved …], I will ask him …] Then I will point out …] This is where the Buddhist Monk will shut down …] It is a battle that I want the monk to win through Christ, but he would have to be released from the deception of no sin/evil.
I see. So you don’t want to know but to convince.
 
So it sounds more like a higher human philosophy than a religion based on a higher deity. Yet, Buddhism is considered a religion? Interesting.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed
Most religions are both religions and philosophies. The main reason that Buddhism is a religion is that it takes faith. Not a lot of faith but still, you have to believe that the Buddha was truly enlightened. You don’t have to believe anything about Plato, Sorengaard, Marx, etc.
 
Most religions are both religions and philosophies. The main reason that Buddhism is a religion is that it takes faith. Not a lot of faith but still, you have to believe that the Buddha was truly enlightened. You don’t have to believe anything about Plato, Sorengaard, Marx, etc.
Also, Buddhism accepts that higher spiritual realms (heavens, hells, spirit worlds, etc.) and beings with spiritual bodies (gods, demons, spirits, etc.) do exist. But belief in such things is not necessary for Awakening. In fact, “too much” belief in such things (i.e., superstition) is downright spiritually harmful.
 
That seems like a question for other Christians.

Let me try to explain it for you. Humans suffer because we are egotistical. Everything is about what we want. We want beautiful women, cars, houses, televisions. We want that new promotion. We want to be able to live forever, because we are clearly too important for this world to go on without us.

The Buddha was able to overcome all of this – the ignorance, the egoism, the “wants” of our lives. The moral code comes from his teachings. He was able to overcome the egoism and wanted to help others overcome egoism. To do this, the Buddha began teaching. The Buddhist ethical system comes from these teachings. The Buddha did not so much teach of what is right and wrong – rather, he taught in the terms of actions that either help or hamper our way to overcoming egoism. For instance, stealing something would hamper our way because it is an action that can cause suffering and also bring negative kamma.

The Lord Buddha was not god or prophet or any other supernatural type of being. He was, however, someone who was able to discover the way that things really were (reality). Because of this, his teachings are the “higher power” in which moral conduct is derived from.
My understanding though is that he did not really deny that there was a God, or that there might be some underlying basis for morality. More that we are, in the state we exist, in no position to really begin to think about such things.
 
Living in Japan as a Christian, it does seem that Buddhism has been put to the way side in mainstream living (Technology seems to be the god of most). How does Buddhism address the decline of their state in Japan when it comes to the daily sins that occur? Is it just me or do the majority of Japanese people only regard religion when it comes to weddings and funerals? Just a question from my observations, not meant to stir up any trouble.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed
Oh boy, let me try to tackle this one.

Your actually asking two separate questions.

1.) The Status of Religion in Japan (which is different from your Buddhist question)

Well, more often than not people tend to point to it as in a state of decline. Though it also depends on what region of Japan your talking about. Furthermore, even those who espouse no particular belief in things beyond a material life still go through the Shinto rituals of birth and Buddhist rituals for death because its a part of their culture. Its meaningful in that sense, not necessarily in the sense that those who originated such practices took those rituals to be.

2.) Buddhism and Sin

Well, it depends. How do you define Sin? If you define it as an offense against the pre-established laws of a Creator deity, then no. There is not concept of sin.

Of course, you can’t take that to mean that there is no gradient of judgment for actions.

In place of a Deity with a Scorecard, you have what would be deemed a universal law = Karma. Karma should not be understood as mere luck, rather there is a causal relationship between the actions you do and the events of your life.

3.) Buddhism, Deities, and whatnot.

And here’s were to gets really messy.

Because Westerners are so focused on the concept of God, they have an unfortunate tendency to judge all other religious configurations based on that concept.

When Buddhism first came West, it was done via the Pali Canon of the Theravada tradition. And the work was primarily completed during the Victorian era by the sanskrit scholar Eugene Burnouf. At the time, Buddhism was interpreted by the Victorian scholars and interested scientists of the time as a tradition that saw the universe governed by natural laws sans divine intervention. There was nothing Supernatural about Buddhism, or so the claim went.

However, the Buddhism which so fascinated the Victorian mind (and later on portions of the modern Western mind) is deemed by both modern scholars of Buddhism in the West and by those lineage holders of the various Buddhist traditions in its indigenous Asian milieu as simply a Construct. It was a “Buddhism of the Texts” without any recourse to how it was actually practiced “on the ground” in its environment.

The narrative progresses something to the effect of “We Westerners saved Buddhism from its native environment since it developed cultural baggage that flooded the religion with superstition.” etc. etc.

So does Buddhism believe in deities? Sort of.

Theravada Buddhism holds no belief in an independent Creator who rules the world. However, it has countless references to various deities ~ who are ALL subject to the universal law of karma. They live, they love, and they die - and get reincarnated.

So they exist, but they are not exactly relevant to bringing one out of dukkha/suffering. Primarily because the bad things that happen to you in your life aren’t the judgments of the divine hurling thunderbolts down on your head (although these gods can help/hurt you since they too are sentient beings who have their own agendas).

Rather the ground state of consciousness from which all mental activities arise (bhavanga) is the source of karma and hence of the phenomenal world experienced by a person. Defiled and unclear, you are bound to make mistakes and push yourself into the endless cycle of death and rebirth.

Now this is where the Victorian strain of thought would dismiss those deities as “cultural add-ons” that infected “pure Buddhism.” And this is where the Sri Lankan and Thai buddhist monks would put their foot down and say that’s complete hogwash.

The game completely changes when we start considering Mahayana Buddhism.

Long story short, the Mahayana considering the Theravada Buddhists to be absorbing the “idiot’s Guide to Buddhism.” This is not to say what they learned is “false,” rather its more for people who are not ready to absorb the more advanced teachings of the Buddha.

The Mahayana in its various forms (which is probably what your dealing with in Japan, unless your hanging around Nara these days), teaches the “trikaya” doctrine ~ three bodies.

So Buddha was an Enlightened being, but the Buddha we saw “Siddartha Gautama” is only an Emanation of a higher being. This was its Physical Body, the Nirmanakaya.

Skipping to the 3rd body, the Dharmakaya is “beginningless, unborn, undying, permanent, etc. Nondually pervading the minds of all unenlightened and enlightened beings alike.”

So while there are numerous Buddhas preaching the Dharma to various worlds, all of these are simply Nirmanakaya bodies of the One Dharmakaya which transcendent of all conceptual elaborations and existent throughout all Space and Time.

Now is that a God? Depends on how you look at it i suppose. IMHO, it seems resonant with the “God of the Philosophers” that the Greek philosophers posited existing above and beyond the petty squabbling gods that inhabit their worldview.

The thing that must be, in order for other things to Exist (or, exist Impermanently at least).
 
IMHO, it seems resonant with the “God of the Philosophers” that the Greek philosophers posited existing above and beyond the petty squabbling gods that inhabit their worldview.
It’s also resonant with Ayn Sof, the Ultimate Reality of Jewish mysticism.
 
Thanks for your kind words, ronin. I agree, this is deception. I do NOT for one minute embrace Buddhist dogma or thinking at all. I have studied it in depth and have visited Buddhist countries like Thailand where I studied it first hand. It’s a fascinating way of life, but by no means possessing the truth of Christianity or the person of Jesus. I feel that life is suffering, but it is something to be embraced head-on and only the divine person of Christ and the grace He gives us saves us when combined with our effort to love and obey Him. I believe in the salvation history of the Scriptures, and I do not accept the revelations of Siddhartha Gautama. It flatters the human condition way too much. It gives human beings the notion that they can self-help themselves into salvation. It denies the ego but paradoxically feeds it, IMO. It also shows there is no meaning to life and all the destiny we have is an empty void of nothing substantial or permanent. I disagree with it as much as you do. I flirted with it in my youth in high school and thank the Lord Jesus Christ He brought me back to Catholicism by the time I was 20…
Well said. Doesn’t this fall under deception from satan? No sin, only self inflicted suffering from uncontrolled human emotions and desires? Well, how did this moral code come about if no higher being set a standard and how did humans get this instinct/emotion of right and wrong? Confusing to say the least.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed
 
It also shows there is no meaning to life and all the destiny we have is an empty void of nothing substantial or permanent
Um, you might want to look again if that’s what you think Buddhism is about, again depending on the form of Buddhism that your looking at.

There’s nothing nihilistic about it, although perhaps it gets interpreted that way since a key Mahayana doctrine tends to be translated as “void” or “emptiness.”
 
Um, you might want to look again if that’s what you think Buddhism is about, again depending on the form of Buddhism that your looking at.

There’s nothing nihilistic about it, although perhaps it gets interpreted that way since a key Mahayana doctrine tends to be translated as “void” or “emptiness.”
The emptiness of emptiness is the fact that not even emptiness exists ultimately, that it is also dependent, conventional, nominal, and in the end it is just the everydayness of the everyday. Penetrating to the depths of being, we find ourselves back on the surface of things and so discover that there is nothing, after all, beneath those deceptive surfaces. Moreover, what is deceptive about them is simply the fact that we assume ontological depth lurking just beneath.

Jay Garfield, “Empty words, Buddhist philosophy and cross-cultural interpretation.”

rossum
 
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