Does Christ hate tradition?

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Hey everyone,

I’ve been having a discussion with a protestant, who claims that Christ hates tradition, and because of that, that Protestants can start any church they want and do whatever they want.

The verse he uses to justify this is Matthew 15:1-8.

Thank you all for your help.
-MontChevalier
 
MontChevalier said:
Hey everyone,

I’ve been having a discussion with a protestant, who claims that Christ hates tradition, and because of that, that Protestants can start any church they want and do whatever they want.

The verse he uses to justify this is Matthew 15:1-8.

Thank you all for your help.
-MontChevalier
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I haven’t read the verse, but perhaps he overlooked when Jesus observed Tradition all throughout the Gospel?
 
We know Christ is God through tradition. Unless Christ has appeared personally to your mate, and to all his family, friends, his pastor… then he relies on tradition. So if Christ hates tradition, Christ must hate His divinity, the scriptures… in fact, if your friend is right, he should stop being Christian, since Christianity relies on tradition and is a traditional religion.

Your friend should start his own Church called the “anti-traditional Church” where every day they change their beliefs… and eventually after that practice has become a tradition, they should stick to one set of beliefs, just to stop being traditional.

Your friend is making an absolutely ridiculous, self-defeating statement.
 
NewsTheMan said:
We know Christ is God through tradition. Unless Christ has appeared personally to your mate, and to all his family, friends, his pastor… then he relies on tradition. So if Christ hates tradition, Christ must hate His divinity, the scriptures… in fact, if your friend is right, he should stop being Christian, since Christianity relies on tradition and is a traditional religion.

Your friend should start his own Church called the “anti-traditional Church” where every day they change their beliefs… and eventually after that practice has become a tradition, they should stick to one set of beliefs, just to stop being traditional.

Your friend is making an absolutely ridiculous, self-defeating statement.
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But wait, if they change their beliefs everyday, that would become a tradition! So maybe they should change it every two days instead. But wait! That too would become tradition! Lord help us, there’s no escaping it! 😃
 
Jesus condemns Traditions of men, when they interfere with God’s commandments. But Apostolic Tradition is of Divine origin, and Christians are bound to comply with it. Scripture is also part of this Tradition: 2 Thessalonians 2:15 explicitly says this. More here and here.
 
Christ was criticizing men holding to traditions but have lost track of their meanings. We do for the sake of doing but not understanding why we do. We see it in the Church today when most people just do because they are told to do but not care to know why. Like for example the one hour Eucharistic fast. Most people don’t even know why its done. They know they have to do it, its a sin not to do it, but why?

Jesus opposed Phariseeism and Legalism. But Jesus was not opposed to having laws and tradition. Just as the Church stands on Scripture, Tradition and Magisterial Authority, when one of those is missing, the other lose meaning.
 
Well what a question!

Jesus was a radical change agent: He reached out to sinners, saved on the Sabbath, gave parables about (gasp) Samaritans, cleared out the temple in a fine rage, seemed to actually like women, and recruited a most unlikely band of Apostles.

On the other hand, it seems he upheld the finest traditions of the Old Testament Covemants. In fact, he was the One the OT pointed to.

So go figure?
 
I don’t know what sect of protestant this person who told you this was, but everyone is right. There can’t be religion without tradition. Just not possible. 🙂
 
NewsTheMan said:
We know Christ is God through tradition. Unless Christ has appeared personally to your mate, and to all his family, friends, his pastor… then he relies on tradition. So if Christ hates tradition, Christ must hate His divinity, the scriptures… in fact, if your friend is right, he should stop being Christian, since Christianity relies on tradition and is a traditional religion.

Your friend should start his own Church called the “anti-traditional Church” where every day they change their beliefs… and eventually after that practice has become a tradition, they should stick to one set of beliefs, just to stop being traditional.

Your friend is making an absolutely ridiculous, self-defeating statement.
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Man, your protestant friend is really stretching to come up with that statement out of Matt:15, 1-8.

Probably not much you can say that will dissuade him from how he came up with that interpretation. Which is the problem with protestants.
 
He’s not my friend. Anyone who is this stubborn could never be my friend.

Apparently, there isn’t much anyone could do when someone is like this. Believing because believing is because they’re believing is juvenile.

-MontChevalier
 
MontChevalier said:
Hey everyone,

I’ve been having a discussion with a protestant, who claims that Christ hates tradition, and because of that, that Protestants can start any church they want and do whatever they want.

The verse he uses to justify this is Matthew 15:1-8.

Thank you all for your help.
-MontChevalier
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Is this the same guy who’s on youtube ‘pray the Rosary’ video?
 
MontChevalier said:
Hey everyone,

I’ve been having a discussion with a protestant, who claims that Christ hates tradition, and because of that, that Protestants can start any church they want and do whatever they want.

The verse he uses to justify this is Matthew 15:1-8.

Thank you all for your help.
-MontChevalier
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Some protestant groups also use the following scriptural verses to justify the handling of poisonous snakes in their services

And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18)

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. (Luke 10:19)

Therein lies the problem with each individual interpreting scripture to his own understanding. Too many problems and misinterpretation can and will invariably arise.
 
Actually, the traditions of the Catholic church is one of the things that I’m drawn too. I used to wonder how Christianity jumped from it’s Jewish roots (which has so many traditions) to some Protestant denominations in which anything goes. I remember asking my mother about that and she said Jesus was the fulfillment of the law therefore we are no longer subject to those rules (which didn’t completely sit well with me).

I know some Protestant religions are similar to Catholicism (I went to an Episcopal church over the past 2 years before deciding to do RCIA and it’s very similar). I think Catholicism nicely bridges that gap between those ancient Jewish traditions and Protestant Christianity.
 
When Christ was condemning tradition, he meant corrupt tradition. You see, the Pharisees set up “fences” around the law, so no one could come close to breaking it. But these rules were much stricter than the law itself! This tradition and others were what Jesus Christ condemed
 
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