Does contraception prevent sex from being unitive?

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To unite with your spouse in the marital embrace is to give of yourself totally to them. Free, totally, faithfully and fruitfully. Eliminating a part of this giving is to make this an act that is not complete. If you do not give your fertility to your spouse, you are not uniting with your spouse as we are called to, thus disrupting the act. It becomes a selfish act and not a selfless act, no longer an act of giving of oneself.
I really have a problem as to how NFP fits in under this type of thinking. Sure, I understand that NFP does not alter the act at all, and so the marital act is completed as intended, with its natural tendency toward procreation still in tact–so the church’s current definition of “procreative” is still met by NFP sex.

However, the description you give above:"…free, faithfully, and fruitfully. If you do not give your fertility to your spouse,you are not uniting with your spouse as we are called to…"

Christcnection1 speaking of contraception says, "It is as if they say to one another: “I will not give myself to
you entirely. You can have all that I am except my fertility. This
you cannot have and so I will hold it back from you.” Was not the
vow an expression of total giving? With this reservation, the
sexual union fails to be an expression of total giving, and
therefore of total love.
"

Earlier in this thread, You said about contraception, “You cannot unite with your spouse in the marital act by withholding a part of yourself in that act. You are withholding your fertility.”

If all of these statements are true, then how does the Church accept the practice of NFP!? Again, I understand that NFP does nothing to alter the sexual act, and therefore keeps the “procreative” look to the conjugal union in tact; but choosing to engage in marital relations only during infertile time is absolutely withholding fertility from one another. It is most certainly not a complete self giving which most in this thread are saying is essential for the conjugal act.
–Rico
 
I really have a problem as to how NFP fits in under this type of thinking. Sure, I understand that NFP does not alter the act at all, and so the marital act is completed as intended, with its natural tendency toward procreation still in tact–so the church’s current definition of “procreative” is still met by NFP sex.

However, the description you give above:"…free, faithfully, and fruitfully. If you do not give your fertility to your spouse,you are not uniting with your spouse as we are called to…"

Christcnection1 speaking of contraception says, "It is as if they say to one another: “I will not give myself to
you entirely. You can have all that I am except my fertility. This
you cannot have and so I will hold it back from you.” Was not the
vow an expression of total giving? With this reservation, the
sexual union fails to be an expression of total giving, and
therefore of total love.
"

Earlier in this thread, You said about contraception, “You cannot unite with your spouse in the marital act by withholding a part of yourself in that act. You are withholding your fertility.”

If all of these statements are true, then how does the Church accept the practice of NFP!? Again, I understand that NFP does nothing to alter the sexual act, and therefore keeps the “procreative” look to the conjugal union in tact; but choosing to engage in marital relations only during infertile time is absolutely withholding fertility from one another. It is most certainly not a complete self giving which most in this thread are saying is essential for the conjugal act.
–Rico
Rico,

I believe that what you have brought up is a topic for another thread, however, I will give it it’s just due and provide an brief explanation to the question that you are posing. Basically your question is (as I undertand it) how can the Church endorse NFP when there are times that the woman (biologically) cannot get pregnant, basically the infertile times.

What you need to understand is that NFP aka Natural Family Planning does nothing to disrupt the unitive and procreative aspects of the marital embrace. You withhold nothing from your spouse. With contraception, artificial contraception, you do that.

The confustion lies within the infertile times. It bewilders me sometimes that when someone thinks of a Catholic marriage in which the couple practices NFP they automatically assume that they just have sex when they can have a baby. That is not the case. Let’s look at the Catechism for more clarification:

*2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality*

What can be taken from that is that we, in a Catholic marriage, are free to engage in the marital embrace with our spouse whenever we want to. We know that we must always remain open to life. It may not happen after a certain act, we may know that going into that act, but we are open to new life.

Within a Catholic marriage we are called to be open to life when we engage in the marital act. But we are also taught to know the limitations of our family. If the time is not right for another child we have to either remain abstinent or make love during the infertile times.

You have to remember that there are two aspects to the marital embrace. Procreative AND unitive. Too often, those that take the position that you are forget the unitive. In the unitive apsect of the act this is the part where we give ourselves to the other completely. This is the part where we renew our wedding vows. This is the part where we mirror Christ. Remember “this is my body…give up for you.”

Why should we forget that part of this act. If the wife is infertile at a given time during that month, should the couple not be allowed to unite and come together to share their love for each other and to renew their wedding vows. When they come together, they are still open to new life. Biologically it does not happen, but there is a possibility and they are open to that. NFP does not frustrate that option.

Please take the time to read books by Christopher West. Read “Holy Sex”, read anything on Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II. A lot of these books will help to explain things.
 
mirror mirror:

I appreciate the thoughtful reply,
Basically your question is (as I undertand it) how can the Church endorse NFP when there are times that the woman (biologically) cannot get pregnant, basically the infertile times.
No, that is not really my question.

I am asserting that the replies in this thread used to defend positions about the nature of the conjugal union, and why contraception is wrong, apply equally to NFP. That is to say that you cannot condemn contraception as such…

“:”…free, faithfully, and fruitfully. If you do not give your fertility to your spouse,you are not uniting with your spouse as we are called to…"

“It is as if they say to one another: “I will not give myself to
you entirely. You can have all that I am except my fertility. This
you cannot have and so I will hold it back from you.” Was not the
vow an expression of total giving? With this reservation, the
sexual union fails to be an expression of total giving, and
therefore of total love.”

“We know that we must always remain open to life. It may not happen after a certain act, we may know that going into that act, but we are open to new life.”

…without at the same time condemning NFP. The intention of practicing NFP is to avoid pregnancy, which is by definition to not be open to life. The NFP couple is absolutely witholding their fertility from each other. The contraceptive couple is no less open to life than the NFP couple. I don’t see how you can see it any differently…it is plain as day. I have made this argument before and everyone mostly dances around it or ignores it. (except gardenswithkids)

Again, I understand that with NFP the act itself is not altered and looks the same (retains is procreative tendency), so it is distinctly different than abc in application. I get it. In fact, it is consistent for the church to say that changing the act is evil and that is what is intrinsically wrong with abc and why NFP is ok 9this is in fact what I believe the church’s position is)…but it is not consistent to say that contraception is evil b/c the couple is not open to life, or to say that it is evil b/c the couple is not giving completely of themselves…fertility and all… in the act. This is b/c the same can be said of NFP by any reasonable definition at all.

I hope that makes more sense.

–Rico
 
Unity, unitive means child. A child is the manifestation of the unity.
If you don’t want a child you don’t want unity. It is probably self-gratification in one form or an other.
It start in the heart. If you want a child but does not get one, it is still unitive because the heart was disposed for unity, may be God did not want it for his reasons. But if your heart is opposed to child, then even if you think you want unity, I think this concept of unity is incomplete or corrupt.

God bless
Ahh I think I get it now. To be fair though a lot of people that do it to have a child probably have their own pleasure in mind as well. And even then it doesn;t mean a person isn;t thinking about their husband or wifes gratification as well know what I mean?
 
mirror mirror:

I appreciate the thoughtful reply,

No, that is not really my question.

I am asserting that the replies in this thread used to defend positions about the nature of the conjugal union, and why contraception is wrong, apply equally to NFP. That is to say that you cannot condemn contraception as such…
To compare contraception to NFP is a stretch, they are not similar. You seem to be looking past a lot of the thing that were pointed out in my post. NFP is fully accepted by the Church, contraception is called intrinsically evil. They are polar opposites. One method is following the teachings of Christ and His Church, the other is a blatant disregard for it.
“:”…free, faithfully, and fruitfully. If you do not give your fertility to your spouse,you are not uniting with your spouse as we are called to…"

“It is as if they say to one another: “I will not give myself to
you entirely. You can have all that I am except my fertility. This
you cannot have and so I will hold it back from you.” Was not the
vow an expression of total giving? With this reservation, the
sexual union fails to be an expression of total giving, and
therefore of total love.”

“We know that we must always remain open to life. It may not happen after a certain act, we may know that going into that act, but we are open to new life.”

…without at the same time condemning NFP.
Why would I condemn NFP?
The intention of practicing NFP is to avoid pregnancy, which is by definition to not be open to life.
No that is not the intention of NFP, where did you get this? Is this merely an opinion? The intention of Natural Family Planning is just what is says it is. Again, you seem to have read what I had posted, but not completely understood it.
The NFP couple is absolutely witholding their fertility from each other.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! Please tell me how they are withholding their fertility? They are open to life. Again if the woman is not fertile, they are still open to life. We are taught that when we unite with our spouse we give all of ourself to them.
The contraceptive couple is no less open to life than the NFP couple. I don’t see how you can see it any differently…it is plain as day. I have made this argument before and everyone mostly dances around it or ignores it. (except gardenswithkids)
So what I perceive your position is on this subject is that a Catholic marriage can only entail a sexual encounter if the woman is fertile? If that is the case then you have misread and misinterpreted many, many teachings of the Catholic Church.
Again, I understand that with NFP the act itself is not altered and looks the same (retains is procreative tendency), so it is distinctly different than abc in application. I get it. In fact, it is consistent for the church to say that changing the act is evil and that is what is intrinsically wrong with abc and why NFP is ok 9this is in fact what I believe the church’s position is)…but it is not consistent to say that contraception is evil b/c the couple is not open to life, or to say that it is evil b/c the couple is not giving completely of themselves…fertility and all… in the act. This is b/c the same can be said of NFP by any reasonable definition at all.
With ABC there is something that will not allow fertilization to occur, whether that be a condom preventing sperm from entering the vagina, or a pill that hardens will not allow implantation, how is that similar to NFP which allows the sperm to be inside of the wife, possibly conceiving a new life? They are not the same.
I hope that makes more sense.

–Rico
Rico.

I do not think that the opinions that you present hold any weight. To think that NFP and ABC are on the same playground is so far from the truth it amazes me that you are even trying to make that stretch.

As of this point, I have explained how they are different and the meaning behind what NFP actually is. If you do not want to go deeper into this subject and do some reading that is up to you. I for one am finsihed explaining this. I do hope and pray that you continue to search for the truth.
 
Hi Mirror,

I think contraception begins in the heart just like other sins. Just as you don’t have to sleep with a woman to commit the sin of adultery so you may not have to go as far as practicising contraception to be guilty of it.

Unitive and procreative aspect of sex are as related as truth, life, and love are. You can’t have one without the other. So I think pure unity in sex means a desire to have a child.

I understand that they may be moments when a couple may make use of infertile period, for example when they are not too much into desiring a child but wouldn’t mind having one.

But if you have a case of an absolute no desire to have an other child for various reasons like the health of the mother. I think it is loving not to have sex, than to have it and risk endangering her health (and/or even the healthy of the baby who may be conceived), I don’t see any love in this sex. In this case the couple is most likely in a strong no desire of childreen mode, if they have sex in infertile periods, they will be contracepting. They can’t pretend that they are open to life while even their body is not open to life. This would be a plain self-deception and a deception to God who can not be deceived.

That is just one example when NFP can be used in attempt to be contraceptive which would equaly qualify for evil. The love celebrated in the conjugal act of sex is for the spouses and the whole family. There is good reasons to avoid having an other child for the well being of the family and its members. And this reasons have to be included in the decision to renew marital love by sex or not. SEX SHOULD ALWAYS BE OPEN TO LIFE, this is what the Church is simply saying. If you are not truly open to life, just don’t do it (because you can have a child if you do it), this is the loving act for the family, assuming that the reason for not having an other child is out of love for the family and God.

That’s why my interpretation of that part of the CCC is that this is also a case of evil. Just because ARTIFICIAL contraception is not used, it does not mean that contraception did not happen.

The fact is NFP can be used to be contraceptive. So I think we just should examine our hearts and see if we are really open to life. Sin start from the heart.

God bless
 
Ahh I think I get it now. To be fair though a lot of people that do it to have a child probably have their own pleasure in mind as well. And even then it doesn;t mean a person isn;t thinking about their husband or wifes gratification as well know what I mean?
The pleasuse is not bad. I think it is bad when it is not properly oriented. I think God gave us the gift of pleasure so we can precisely give others pleasure or receive it when doing various things. So It is not evil to try to give pleasure to my spouse while making love in hope of having a child as a result of all that experience. I think this is real love making and true celebration.

On the other hand. Yes, perverted intentions can just do thing for pleasure and this is when sex is not unitive because, this pleasure is idolized. It is being made into a god itself and being sought for itself. There is selfishness also. And a partner can help me to be selfish. That’s why the presence of partner doesn’t mean that I am not being selfish. So I think a couple can help each other to be selfish. And this selfishness is manifested in contracepting which disable the complete self-giving, breaking unity, and maintaing the self.

God who is love is thre persons. If our love making is truly in his image, I believe it should include three persons. If one persons is intentionally avoided (sex but hopefully no child), then the image of God in us is not complete, and we are intentionally corrupting it.

Sometimes it can be hard to live up to this, but I think pure sex is a simply a prayer for a child.
 
Well how do we unite?

😊

So if we put a barrier between us,either plastic or latex, are we really uniting? Its a barrier that keeps a part of ourselves from uniting with our spouses.We’re holding a part of ourselves back. We’re not giving of our whole self.

I have this mental picture of a wife asking for a kiss. Her husband puts a piece of plastic on his mouth before he kisses her.

I don’t know about you but I would first be hurt then offended that my husband felt the need to “protect” himself from me.🤷

Even just taking a medicine that keeps one person’s beloved’s seed from planting in one sounds so like rejection.You know what I mean?
 
Hi Mirror,

I think contraception begins in the heart just like other sins. Just as you don’t have to sleep with a woman to commit the sin of adultery so you may not have to go as far as practicising contraception to be guilty of it.

Unitive and procreative aspect of sex are as related as truth, life, and love are. You can’t have one without the other. So I think pure unity in sex means a desire to have a child.

I understand that they may be moments when a couple may make use of infertile period, for example when they are not too much into desiring a child but wouldn’t mind having one.

But if you have a case of an absolute no desire to have an other child for various reasons like the health of the mother. I think it is loving not to have sex, than to have it and risk endangering her health (and/or even the healthy of the baby who may be conceived), I don’t see any love in this sex. In this case the couple is most likely in a strong no desire of childreen mode, if they have sex in infertile periods, they will be contracepting. They can’t pretend that they are open to life while even their body is not open to life. This would be a plain self-deception and a deception to God who can not be deceived.

That is just one example when NFP can be used in attempt to be contraceptive which would equaly qualify for evil. The love celebrated in the conjugal act of sex is for the spouses and the whole family. There is good reasons to avoid having an other child for the well being of the family and its members. And this reasons have to be included in the decision to renew marital love by sex or not. SEX SHOULD ALWAYS BE OPEN TO LIFE, this is what the Church is simply saying. If you are not truly open to life, just don’t do it (because you can have a child if you do it), this is the loving act for the family, assuming that the reason for not having an other child is out of love for the family and God.

That’s why my interpretation of that part of the CCC is that this is also a case of evil. Just because ARTIFICIAL contraception is not used, it does not mean that contraception did not happen.

The fact is NFP can be used to be contraceptive. So I think we just should examine our hearts and see if we are really open to life. Sin start from the heart.

God bless
I understand what you are trying to say and the logic that you are getting at but we must remember what the Church teaches:

*2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality. *

When a couple engages in the marital embrace they must do so with the intention that it is unitive and procreative no matter what time of the month it is.

Again, I understand the point that you are making, I get it, but the way in which you are presenting it is that if my wife and I decide to make love on a night that we know she is infertile then we are intentionally contracepting and intentionally sinning. That is where you are wrong. If you want to say that using NFP during the infertile times is contracepting then fine, but it is (by your words) contracepting that is acceptable based upon Church’s teachings. I choose to not call it contracepting as I associate that with ABC of all kinds. Contracepting means that you are not open to life. It means that you are not allow the egg and sperm to fertilize and create a new life, you are disrupting that process. With NFP, the husband will always ejaculate inside his wife’s vagina and there will be no barrier to the possibility of conception, fertile or infertile times.
 
So what I perceive your position is on this subject is that a Catholic marriage can only entail a sexual encounter if the woman is fertile?
Again, no. I don’t know how I can be anymore clear.

I know you are done with this thread and that is fine–I don’t think you are really listening to what I am trying to say. But here is one last question, which, if answered honestly (and the answer is completely obvious) should turn the light on for you.

Assume my wife’s life will be in grave danger if she were to become pregnant again. I am sure you, I, and any priest would agree this is sufficient reason to delay or avoid pregnancy. My wife and I decide to use NFP to avoid pregnancy…so we are following the church teachings and using one of the church’s approved methods to do so. Are my wife and I open to life? Are we giving our full selves completely, fertility and all, to each other?

-Rico
 
When a couple engages in the marital embrace they must do so with the intention that it is unitive and procreative no matter what time of the month it is.
Yes, this is basically my point.
What I am saying is that NFP can be used to contracept when a couple intentionally look up that infertile time and try its best not to conceive when making love by counting on that infertile time.
but the way in which you are presenting it is that if my wife and I decide to make love on a night that we know she is infertile then we are intentionally contracepting and intentionally sinning
It is possible that I am not presenting it well. But no, I don’t think having sex during infertile period is contracepting itself.
 
The pleasuse is not bad. I think it is bad when it is not properly oriented. I think God gave us the gift of pleasure so we can precisely give others pleasure or receive it when doing various things. So It is not evil to try to give pleasure to my spouse while making love in hope of having a child as a result of all that experience. I think this is real love making and true celebration.

On the other hand. Yes, perverted intentions can just do thing for pleasure and this is when sex is not unitive because, this pleasure is idolized. It is being made into a god itself and being sought for itself. There is selfishness also. And a partner can help me to be selfish. That’s why the presence of partner doesn’t mean that I am not being selfish. So I think a couple can help each other to be selfish. And this selfishness is manifested in contracepting which disable the complete self-giving, breaking unity, and maintaing the self.

God who is love is thre persons. If our love making is truly in his image, I believe it should include three persons. If one persons is intentionally avoided (sex but hopefully no child), then the image of God in us is not complete, and we are intentionally corrupting it.

Sometimes it can be hard to live up to this, but I think pure sex is a simply a prayer for a child.
Yeah you are right it is hard to live up to that. And if you are all right about this…then I hope God will forgive me because I can;t live up to that. 😦
 
Assume my wife’s life will be in grave danger if she were to become pregnant again. I am sure you, I, and any priest would agree this is sufficient reason to delay or avoid pregnancy. My wife and I decide to use NFP to avoid pregnancy…so we are following the church teachings and using one of the church’s approved methods to do so. Are my wife and I open to life? Are we giving our full selves completely, fertility and all, to each other?
Yes. As you said several times before the act is not altered.

That conception is unlikely does not mean the act is changed. The act is correctly ordered.
 
…but it is not consistent to say that contraception is evil b/c the couple is not open to life,…
Exactly. Married couples sometimes have compelling reasons to avoid pregnancy. Catholicism teaches this.
…or to say that it is evil b/c the couple is not giving completely of themselves…fertility and all… in the act.
This is precisely the problem with contraception, according to Catholic teaching. The willful holding back of *anything *during the marital embrace makes it impossible for a couple to image the totally self-donating love of the Trinity.
This is b/c the same can be said of NFP by any reasonable definition at all.
But sharing very low fertility is not the same as withholding fertility.

I’m withholding my fertility from my husband at this very moment. Why is that okay? Because we’re not having sex.

I’m also currently avoiding pregnancy. On any day that I observe “more fertile” bodily signs, I withhold my fertility from my husband. I withhold the marital embrace too, by mutual consent.

On any day that I observe “less fertile” bodily signs (with bodily signs, I’m wary of the term “infertile” :D), I may participate in the marital embrace with my husband, able to share my fertilty with little concern for pregnancy, precisely because I know that fertility is naturally low.

Cyclical fertilty lows are not only part of God’s design for the female body, they are the norm. Low fertility can be shared. Most of the time, it’s all we’ve got.
 
Assume my wife’s life will be in grave danger if she were to become pregnant again. I am sure you, I, and any priest would agree this is sufficient reason to delay or avoid pregnancy. My wife and I decide to use NFP to avoid pregnancy…so we are following the church teachings and using one of the church’s approved methods to do so. Are my wife and I open to life? Are we giving our full selves completely, fertility and all, to each other?
No, you’re not open to life but you are keeping your marital embace ordered toward life, following the authentic teaching for Catholic marriage.

Yes, in your marital embrace you are giving your full selves completely, fertility and all, to each other. Your fertility (as designed by God) is simply low.
 
No, you’re not open to life but you are keeping your marital embace ordered toward life, following the authentic teaching for Catholic marriage.
Thank you!!! Finally someone understands what I have been saying. (or is at least courageous enough to admit it).

Yes, practicing NFP to avoid conception is most clearly not being open to life, (even while the act is unchanged to ensure that it looks the same and retains its procreative tendency). This is the exact reason why NFP can be used to avoid conception only for grave reasons.

It logically follows that if the church teaches that it is ok to not be open to life for just reasons, then abc cannot be condemned as evil for not being open to life…otherwise NFP would be as well. It is really quite simple. This is my point.
Yes, in your marital embrace you are giving your full selves completely, fertility and all, to each other. Your fertility (as designed by God) is simply low.
Ok. Sure, we aren’t changing anythign or holding anything back during the actual act…so I understand that we are fully giving our fertility to each other. I can accept that. But surely you see that intentionally only egaging in relations during infertile times is definitly withholding something from each other, even if the act itself is ordered properly and our fertility is not impaired, changed, inhibited.

Thanks for posting, good daughter.
–Rico
 
Yes. As you said several times before the act is not altered.

That conception is unlikely does not mean the act is changed. The act is correctly ordered.
Then why can my wife and I not practice NFP to avoid pregnancy indescriminately according to the Church?

–Rico
 
Then why can my wife and I not practice NFP to avoid pregnancy indescriminately according to the Church?

–Rico
Children are a blessing and we are called to be generous. How can we be generous while avoiding children for no legitimate reason?

The problem you bring up is not one of NFP use, it is a problem of not wanting children. The sin is not in using NFP. The sin is in not wanting kids.

If NFP is “closed to life”, depending on how that is intended to be understood, then why are Catholics not obligated to only have sex during times when conception is likely? Following your reasoning other times during the cycle should not be used as they are “closed to life”.
 
What is needed here as has been noted in multiple threads on this subject is a study on the sacramental meaning of the marital act. You are going to have to study some Theology of the Body to understand it and understand why we have to keep each and every marital act “open to life” as it is called or more importantly non contraceptive.

The Christopher West stuff is relatively easy to understand , start there . Here are some articles-

catholiceducation.org/articles/sexuality/se0112.html
 
Children are a blessing and we are called to be generous. How can we be generous while avoiding children for no legitimate reason?
hmm. Well that is true and one way of saying it. I would say the reason we can’t practice NFP indescriminately is b/c we are called to be open to new life as the fruit of married life/love? Is this the same thing you are saying?
The problem you bring up is not one of NFP use, it is a problem of not wanting children. The sin is not in using NFP. The sin is in not wanting kids.
I agree. However, not wanting kids is not necessarily a sin. We can avoid pregnancy for serious reasons, the Church teaches this. When we want to avoid pregnancy the Church says NFP is ok to accomplish this.

Now, we cannot condemn contraception as not being open to life b/c we just established that being closed to life…that is not wanting kids…is ok in certain circumstances. It cannot be the “open to life” issue that makes the use of contraception evil.
If NFP is “closed to life”, depending on how that is intended to be understood, then why are Catholics not obligated to only have sex during times when conception is likely? Following your reasoning other times during the cycle should not be used as they are “closed to life”.
It doesn’t logically follow at all! There is a big difference in intentially engaging in the marital act ONLY during infertile times and simply engaging in the martial act during an infertile time. Surely this is obvious?

–Rico
 
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