Does Current Pope "believe In Evolution"

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Care to explane?

O and yes, Im well aware that Copernicus was a bishop.
Well now tell us-how does Copernicus being a member clergy square with your contention that the Church held up the advancement of science? And for bonus points when did Gallelio first witeabotu the Sun being the center of the universe and WHO was his patron?
 
This is exactly why i prefer science. It provides answers. Even if the answers arent perfect. Science is always working towrds finding those answers. With god its just “because its god”. And im sorry, but that is not good enough.
Why do you think that I am not providing an explanation based on reason and science? 350 years BC Aristotle was able to come to this conclusion by logically following the closely observed phenomenon of the material world (i.e. observational data). He considered the rules of the material such as cause and effect, substance etc (the things that the study of the world (science) is based upon. To my knowledge he was not influenced by religion. Especially not Judaism.
Since his time science has continually reinforced these findings by continuing to prove that the material world is based on laws and universal principals such as cause and effect. If there is something unknown and unseen that could falsify this explanation I do not think science is capable of revealing it. To this point all findings seem to reinforce this conclusion with not a glimmer of anything appearing to contradict it.
I just threw in the Exodus reference because I think it’s really cool. I hope it didn’t mislead you.
I am sorry if it did.

Jim
 
After he was a canon he was a prince-bishop, governor of the Archbishopric of Warmia.
As was already pointed out, your statement is false. Copernicus was never a bishop. Please do not continue to make this claim without providing a source.
 
As was already pointed out, your statement is false. Copernicus was never a bishop. Please do not continue to make this claim without providing a source.
Correct. He was a Priest. Which , even though he was not a Bishop, does kinda destroy Nydas’s argument that the Catholic Church stopped the advance of Scinece.
 
Bigee,

There is a book that the holy father wrote when he was
still a cardinal, it’s called “In the Beggining…”, and from
what I understand it deals with the book of Genesis and
the theory of Evolution. It’s a old book now so I don’t
know if it’s still in print but you could try looking around
for it.

Pax Tecum,
Rocco
 
Not only does the current pope believe in evolution but so did John Paul ll. Pius Xll was in support of the Big Bang theory also, so Popes believing in scientific discoveries of this magnitude is not all that unusual of a thing.

For those who may hold true to the YEC stance (young earth creationists), consider this quote:
" In maters that are so obscure and far beyond vision, we find in Holy Scripture passages which can be interpreted in very different ways without predujice to the faith we have received. In such cases, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search for truth justly undermines this position, we too fall with it."

Now from a modern point of view the above quote may seem like back pedalling on the Church’s part, however when in fact the above quote was made by St. Augustine it becomes an insightful one. The problem is that until recent times the Church failed to heed Augustine’s advice when it came to science.

Now science can neither prove nor disprove God’s existence conclusively. Let’s face it, Augustine and Aquainas couldn’t even do that so what makes anyone think a scientist can? It is still strictly a matter of faith as to whether believe or not believe. However, in science’s push to explain the Big Bang and the evolutionary theories, what has happened is the more they discover the greater the indicator points towards the distinct possibility of a creator or supernatural force/entity behind it all.

As a sidenote here, there is a difference between scientific theory and phiolosophical theory. The former is law, the latter is educated conjecture. If a scientist has a possibility to explain that has not been proven, the word hypothesis is used to describe the possibility.

How does all of this affect the believer? Take the possibility of a creator. Such an entity could not be part of or the result of our present universe. That entity would need to exist outside the scope of space or universe. Further such an entity would have to exist at least one second prior to the creation in order to have been able to create. Such an assumption would indicate another creator though so a safer assumption would be that such a being existed with no boundaries of time or limits or area. Which boils down to the being having to have the ability to exist outside and independent of our universe and our time. Hmmmm sounds like a description of the Almighty to me. Of course that is within the scope of the theistic evolutionist. The atheistic evolutionist merely clings to the belief that all that just happened out of accident and that because of some very lucky events, we came to be and are enjoying the benefits of such a lucky break. Now if I were to go to Las Vegas to visit the casinos with a mere 5 dollars in my pocket and had no idea of how to play the various games of chance or even how to work a slot machine I would have a better chance of walking out of those casinos richer than Bill Gates than the odds were of the Big Bang and the Theory of Evolution just all happening as the result of one very lucky accident. Both scenarios are possible but the probabilities skirt just at the edge of the impossible.

All in all there is no sacriledge in believing in the Big Bang or Evolution. The sacriledge comes in not believing God orchestrated the whole thing from beginning to end.
Take care
Dennis
 
Correct. He was a Priest. Which , even though he was not a Bishop, does kinda destroy Nydas’s argument that the Catholic Church stopped the advance of Scinece.
The confusion here may be in the fact that Copernicus was appointed as administrator by the Holy See to the diocese after the death of his uncle. Now while a bishop is an administrator, an administrator may not nec. be a bishop. It appears to be a technicality of sorts. For further info. click on the below link. The article on Copernicus will also have a link in it for administrator which will take you to another article which will explain the term as it is used by the Church. If the link here doesn’t work, go to NewAdvent.org and look for the article on Copernicus in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Sorry, I’m not all that good at some of these computer things. lol

Copernicus, Nicolaus
 
I know there are people who think the Church has limited scientific inquiry - they are generally wrong. Perhaps a bit of cogitation on why the Calendar is called the “Gregorian Calendar” (all those English “scientific” folks rejected it for about 150 years) in addition to the works by Copernicus, Mendel, and others is in order. Like it or not the great majority of educated folks in the 16th century were clerics.

Have there been clerics who tried to supress learning? - sure. But that is a phenom not limited to the Church. Religion throughout history and the world has usually been the engine for learning - written language, astronomy, philosophy, math, etc., etc. It’s a “scientific” myth that religion is anti-learning.
 
Archbishop Fulton Sheen discussed evolution/evolutionary principles as a “fact” on his TV show. Since this was pre-VII, I would think that he would have had his hand slapped and recanted if the Vatican/Pope(s) disagreed. I think they were a little less accepting of dissent back then.
 
This is exactly why i prefer science. It provides answers. Even if the answers arent perfect. Science is always working towrds finding those answers. With god its just “because its god”. And im sorry, but that is not good enough.
I agree. I do not like making things that I believe are scientific facts comply to the rules of any religion. and because some-one said ‘because its God’ doesn’t mean that it is.
Cya,
Wammy
 
This is exactly why i prefer science. It provides answers. Even if the answers arent perfect. Science is always working towrds finding those answers. With god its just “because its god”. And im sorry, but that is not good enough.
Nydas,

Unfortunately for your faith in science, there are some things that it does not and cannot provide answers for. At the very bottom, the question of why things behave in a way that science can describe is totally unanswerable by science. The only answer that can be given is that this is just the way things are. (As Paul Dirac’s grave marker says, "Because God made it that way.)
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As a catholic, is it therefore OK is you believe in a common ancestor aka people evolved from apes for example?

Thank you and God bless! 🙂
 
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