Does Darwin's theory of evolution contradict Catholicsm?

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Here’s my origin of life. It involves Mass Transcription. Like Elijah and Enoch were transcripted I believe all life originated in Eden/Paradise and was transported here. Like when Adam and Eve were kicked out onto Earth. Likewise the three days of darkness will be another Mass Transcription Event (MTE)
 
Glark: Your understanding of science is very poor
Perhaps you’re right. Nevertheless, can you give me an example please, that has led you to this conclusion.
even if you basically claim to understand it better than almost all of the world’s scientists
You must be confusing me with someone else. In post # 1263, I stated that “I only know the basics” of ToE.
your cherished fundamentalist worldview
The Church teaches that the faithful can believe in literal interpretation of Genesis. If you think it’s ok to malign a Church teaching with the pejorative, “fundamentalist”, then perhaps that is something you need to do some soul-searching about.
 
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Now tell me, what observation can you imagine which would falsify “God did it”?/
Pray tell me. Nested hierarchies?
And what exactly does evolution have to do with atheism?
If you lived pre-Darwin, where might you imagine life came from?
that all life on Earth descended from populations of primitive molecular replicators is true.
How can an untestable theory be “true”?
 
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Humans have always been “male and female”. Simple. And they were not made “at the beginning” but at the very least hours after the beginning. There is obvious flexibility round the word “beginning”. “In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth and Adam and Eve.” Your Bible obviously differs from the one I have on my shelf.
Evo-Catholics believe that in “the beginning of creation”, God created only simple forms of life (maybe unicellular organisms) and that billions of years of evolution later, human beings came into existence (except for Eve, who for some mysterious reason was created instantaneously). But Mark 10:6 says human beings were present at the “BEGINNING of creation”. I can’t see how your post in any way reconciles the Scripture with evolution.
Your Bible interpretation is wrong here. Large animals can be, and often are, herbivores: elephants, mammoths, Apatosaurs, hippos, rhinos and others for example.
You seem to have missed the point of the Scripture. It says the creature Behemoth was “made” (ie, created) at the same time as man. Evolution says man didn’t exist (evolve) until millions of years AFTER such a creature came into existence.
 
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False. We know that there are genes in the general bird population that can grow black feathers: crows, blackbirds etc. It might take some time, or some help from CRISPR, but in principle a budgie with black feathers is observably within the bounds of possibility.
The fact that black feathers exist in other birds doesn’t suggest budgerigars will one day have black feathers. Has anyone ever seen a sky-blue raven or a green-and-yellow magpie? There is no reason to expect that such birds will ever exist.

Over a period of centuries, dog breeders managed to produce a sausage dog from a wolf. Evolutions regard this fact (which they euphemistically call “evolution”) as evidence that a non-dog can eventually evolve from the dog line. Such a prediction is what I would call an unreasonable extrapolation. All that can be concluded from the fact that a wolf produced a sausage dog is that a wolf produced a sausage dog. Anything more than that is pure speculation.
 
I just think the cavalier way one can imagine a thinking, feeling, self-aware creature without a soul is… Disgusting is the only word I can use to describe it. Like something out of a horror movie. A walking corpse.
 
Here is some video of a Coelacanth swimming1. Have a close look at its front fins. They are unlike the fins on most fish; they are fins-on-stumps. They work perfectly well as a fin but those stumps are what evolved into our legs. A fin-on-a-stump can function both as a fin and as a leg. There was no sudden jump from fin only to leg only. There was an intermediate fin-on-a-stump stage between the two. Yes, we are descended from some very close relatives of Coelacanths, which is why there was quite a lot of excitement when they were found not to be extinct.
A seal has “fins on a stump” too - excellent fodder for another “missing link” fairy tale. Evolution rewards a vivid imagination like no other sphere of science.

Colin Patterson: " It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test." (from a letter written to Luther Sunderland, 1979)
 
My understanding is, Darwin wasn’t the first to propose evolution by natural selection. But he was the first to claim it could happen without any help form a supernatural being, which is why the many atheist intellectuals of the day (many of whom were scientists) jumped on it and held it dear to their hearts. Nothing has changed … except that a theory that should have been confined to the lunatic fringe has managed to infect the entire scientific community and even the Church. In a civilization where faith is weak, Satan easily deceives the masses.
 
The very earliest organisms were the simplest; they were barely across the line between non-life and life.
Even the simplest form of life requires immense functional complexity. One essential function is reproduction. How “simple” do you imagine that might be? All this talk about “primordial simple cells” is science fiction invented by deluded atheists. They have to believe this unscientific nonsense because there is no alternarive.

You also need to expalin why a mindless biological machine would reproduce in the first place. Oh, wait, there’s no reason - it was all a lucky accident.
 
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But Mark 10:6 says human beings were present at the “BEGINNING of creation”. I can’t see how your post in any way reconciles the Scripture with evolution.
And I cannot see how Mark 10:6 reconciles with Genesis 1 which clearly says that humans were not present at the “BEGINNING” but only came on the scene days later. And you also have to reconcile your Mark quote with 2 Peter 3:8 where a day is a thousand years. That puts thousands of years between the beginning and the origin of man.

There are many different ways to interpret the Bible. The Catholic Church allows flexibility in interpretation, within limits. Specifically it allows flexibility on dates and timescales.
It says the creature Behemoth was “made” (ie, created) at the same time as man.
New animals evolved before man. New animals evolved at the same time as man. New animals have evolved since man. Tell me what exact species “Behemoth” is, and I will look up the date it originated. You also need to nail down your “at the same time”. Are we in the same area as your Mark quote where two thing described as being simultaneous in one part of the Bible are definitely not simultaneous in a different part of the Bible?

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A seal has “fins on a stump” too - excellent fodder for another “missing link” fairy tale. Evolution rewards a vivid imagination like no other sphere of science.
Seals are a “fairy tale”? You have a very strange idea of what constitutes a “fairy tale”. Do you expect to go to an aquarium and see Tinker Bell in an enclosure next to the seals?
Colin Patterson: " It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test." (from a letter written to Luther Sunderland, 1979)
Oh look, an out of context quote. I can do out of context quotes as well:
“There is no God” – Psalm 14:1
I can also quote Dr. Patterson:
“In several animal and plant groups, enough fossils are known to bridge the wide gaps between existing types. In mammals, for example, the gap between horses, asses and zebras (genus Equus) and their closest living relatives, the rhinoceroses and tapirs, is filled by an extensive series of fossils extending back sixty-million years to a small animal, Hyracotherium, which can only be distinguished from the rhinoceros-tapir group by one or two horse-like details of the skull. There are many other examples of fossil ‘missing links’, such as Archaeopteryx, the Jurassic bird which links birds with dinosaurs (Fig. 45), and Ichthyostega, the late Devonian amphibian which links land vertebrates and the extinct choanate (having internal nostrils) fishes. . .”

– “Evolution” Colin Patterson (1978)
Did my Bible quote convince you? No, nor does your out-of-context Patterson quote convince me. You need to find a better way of arguing that a creationist quote-mine.

rossum
 
One essential function is reproduction. How “simple” do you imagine that might be?
Very. A Lipid bilayer bag with some chemicals inside splits into two smaller lipid bilayer bags with the same mix of chemicals inside. Both bags then absorb more chemicals from the surrounding water and grow bigger, making more chemicals in the process. Then they split again. Rinse, lather, repeat.
All this talk about “primordial simple cells” is science fiction invented by deluded atheists.
Numerically you are closer to an atheist than I am. My scriptures have tens of thousands of gods in them. By insulting atheists here, you are insulting yourself more than you are insulting me.

rossum
 
Evo-Catholics believe that in “the beginning of creation”, God created only simple forms of life
People receptive to the evidence for evolution are likely to be receptive to the Big Bang theory or similar models for the history of the universe. Perhaps the Big Bang is the manifest sign of the initial work of creation? And the evidence is that the conditions of the universe at the time of creation, and for a considerable length of time thereafter, were not suitable for any form of life. Life appeared much later.
 
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Perhaps you’re right. Nevertheless, can you give me an example please, that has led you to this conclusion.
I don’t have time to go through this thread, but you basically declare that evolution is not even in the domain of science because you can’t do it in a test tube and a labcoat (well, you can, actually, but the results will never satisfy the requirements of a creationist because speciation cannot occur that quickly). And this in spite of the fact that:

“Evolution by natural selection is one of the best substantiated theories in the history of science, supported by evidence from a wide variety of scientific disciplines, including paleontology, geology, genetics and developmental biology.” --livescience.com

You claim to know what qualifies as science better than the people who do science for a living! You might want to bring that hubris to the confession booth.
 
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No. It’s just a theory. However like anything it can be hijacked and used to rationalize just about anything humanist. Essentially degrading man to mere animals and defending our fallen behavior.
“The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence.”

http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html
 
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Gorgias:
Have you read Miller’s book? Can you provide us the context of these quotes? (Without context, we can’t tell if he’s espousing these views or merely reporting that others hold these views.)
Fair point. But why does Miller oppose the concept of Intelligent Design?
I dunno. I haven’t read the book, either. 😉
 
It’s a theory that will be substantially revised after the three days of darkness or another mass extinction where all your precious plants and animals will cease to exist. Up to 90% of life has been wiped off of this rock due to mysterious catastrophes! That would take forever to regenerate through random evolution. Maybe if the magic occurred in a lab for billions of years I could see it working. However there is no way evolution could survive multiple mass extinction events and produce the abundant variety we enjoy today. Instead I believe all life originated in Eden and migrated here through Mass Transcription.
 
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