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Cruciferi
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Elijah and Enoch were both transcripted into paradise alive. Why can’t the reverse be true?
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niceatheist
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There are a lot of different combinations of genitals in the natural world, including some that are little more than ducts. Though I do appreciate the neat twist on the “what good is half an eye” critique. As it turns out, as with eyes so with genitals, even a simple system that marginally improves the rate of fertilization is going to have a significant impact on the long-term survival of population.
So yes, half a genital is much better than no genital.
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niceatheist
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The reality is, in biomass, bacteria rule the world. If there were another extinction event at that level, then yes, lots of more complex organisms would be wiped out, but the blue algae mats and other bacterial colonies would survive.
But if you look at the last major extinction event, the K–T event that wiped out the dinosaurs (well sort of, a good many members of class Aves made it), there were still plenty of plants, still many animals, and within a few million years those survivors were filling in ecological niches. That’s still huge timescales from a human point of view, but so what? Is there some reason the Universe should speed things up for humans?
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Cruciferi
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Absolutely. We deserve it!
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Techno2000
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How long did it take for the other half to evolve ?
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niceatheist
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The idea generally put forward is that primitive replicating molecules (the progenitors to cellular life) existed in an environment with a good deal of organic matter and energy. There was no “why” to it, any more than there is a “why” to why crystals grow or fire spreads. It is a natural feature of certain kinds of chemical constructs to grow, absorb surrounding matter, and really all that metabolism and excretion are are simply more complex forms of matter interactions we see throughout the universe.rossum:
Even the simplest form of life requires immense functional complexity. One essential function is reproduction. How “simple” do you imagine that might be? All this talk about “primordial simple cells” is science fiction invented by deluded atheists. They have to believe this unscientific nonsense because there is no alternarive.
You also need to expalin why a mindless biological machine would reproduce in the first place. Oh, wait, there’s no reason - it was all a lucky accident.
As to primitive reproduction, well, why not just simply mechanical separation? If we’re talking about life evolving in tidal pools or deep sea vents, you have water currents that would split molecules apart, and we can see from many organic substances that broken sequences will quickly begin reintegrating new material. We might call it reproduction, but really, very early on that’s all it was.
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And who exactly says the earliest life evolved that way? You do understand that even in the evolution of the first life, there were stages, and that the first primitive replicators may very well have been little more than naked molecules, no cells involved at all. But forming lipid walls, the sort of “proto-cells” that have been made in labs for years, shows how you could have a primitive “cell” that’s little more than cell wall, ribosomes and some genetic material. Early on it probably wouldn’t have even reproduced on its own, but rather mechanical motion would have been involved in reproduction.
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Techno2000
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It will be ok, he’ll just grow legs and find a better life.
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Cruciferi
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Praying for him. He’s only got a few minutes to evolve 
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Aloysium
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“Mass transcription” isn’t a term i have heard before. Transcription in biochemistry involves the production of RNA, which goes on to produce proteins, from the template contained in DNA. In general, to transcribe I understand to mean making a copy. So mass transcription might have to do with the reproduction of an idea, perhaps more real because they are God’s ideas and ontologically closer to Existence itself, translated in material form on earth. I’m not sure we need to create new terms, which sometimes impede communication, but they can enable us to see things in a new, clearer light.
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Desperate speculationTechno2000:
And who exactly says the earliest life evolved that way? You do understand that even in the evolution of the first life, there were stages, and that the first primitive replicators may very well have been little more than naked molecules, no cells involved at all. But forming lipid walls, the sort of “proto-cells” that have been made in labs for years, shows how you could have a primitive “cell” that’s little more than cell wall, ribosomes and some genetic material. Early on it probably wouldn’t have even reproduced on its own, but rather mechanical motion would have been involved in reproduction.
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Cruciferi
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Mass Translation Event?
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Techno2000
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Are you talking about the so-called Rapture?
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niceatheist
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I answered your question well enough. But if you want research on the origins of life from the horses mouth, I urge you to actually listen to an abiogenesis researcher on how far they’ve gotten, and where the problems are. This is a series of lectures by Jack Szostak from Harvard which serve as a fairly good introduction to the evolution of the first cells, and he’s quite honest about where the problems remain.niceatheist:
Desperate speculationTechno2000:
And who exactly says the earliest life evolved that way? You do understand that even in the evolution of the first life, there were stages, and that the first primitive replicators may very well have been little more than naked molecules, no cells involved at all. But forming lipid walls, the sort of “proto-cells” that have been made in labs for years, shows how you could have a primitive “cell” that’s little more than cell wall, ribosomes and some genetic material. Early on it probably wouldn’t have even reproduced on its own, but rather mechanical motion would have been involved in reproduction.
The point of what I was saying was that there is nothing in the theory that demands a fully formed cell as the first step. In fact, quite the opposite. The underlying assumption is that you’re starting with discrete molecules, probably no cell at all, and that’s where you start. Naked molecules, if you will. Now you can reject that, but you shouldn’t misrepresent what the researchers are actually claiming.
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Cruciferi
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Enoch was translated into paradise. Sounds like teleportation to me.
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Techno2000
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let me guess … he’s firm believer in evolution.
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niceatheist
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Yes, as pretty much every biologist is. But if you want to actually understand where the research is, rather than just shutting your eyes and covering your ears, watch the videos. You don’t have to agree with it, but it could at least inform your criticism.
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The biblical terms are archaic but the idea is that it might be possible for creatures to be transported between dimensions. Eden still exists and Elijah and Enoch are there. So maybe other things can cross between the barrier?
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I bet if you mentioned God to him it would be like throwing Holy water on the devil.
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