Does Darwin's theory of evolution contradict Catholicsm?

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Rau said:
Huh?? Could you elaborate?
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I found this on a site regarding quantum physics and it’s relation to some Bible passages.

Here is the first relation:

In essence, quantum physics is the study of matter and energy at very small, nanoscopic levels, beginning within nuclei, atoms and molecules. Modern science declares that “quanta particles” (light particle wave packets) form atoms. These atoms form molecules and molecules form objects—everything that we can see is made up of these quanta particles. What makes these quanta particles so special is that they do not behave in ways according to known laws of physics, thus making them more of a series of probabilities, rather than something we can scientifically define and observe. Everything that we can see is made up of things that we cannot see—unseen particles. It is in this unexplained, fundamental discovery in science that we find our first Biblical evidence of this phenomenon in Hebrews 11:3 “By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.” (NLT)
 
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Joe1 said:
What are these interpretations? I assume you have a link or two
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Certainly. Here is Augustine referencing scripture on the non-existence of Australia:
Augustine on the Antipodes
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“As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets on us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours, there is no reason for believing it. Those who affirm it do not claim to possess any actual information; they merely conjecture that, since the earth is suspended within the concavity of the heavens, and there is as much room on the one side of it as on the other, therefore the part which is beneath cannot be void of human inhabitants. They fail to notice that, even should it be believed or demonstrated that the world is round or spherical in form, it does not follow that the part of the earth opposite to us is not completely covered with water, or that any conjectured dry land there should be inhabited by men. For Scripture, which confirms the truth of its historical statements by the accomplishment of its prophecies, teaches not falsehood; and it is too absurd to say that some men might have set sail from this side and, traversing the immense expanse of ocean, have propagated there a race of human beings descended from that one first man.”

Augustine (De Civitate Dei, xvi, 9)
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And here is part of the abjuration Galileo made, before being placed under house arrest:
I, Galileo Galilei, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei of Florence, aged 70 years, tried personally by this court, and kneeling before You, the most Eminent and Reverend Lord Cardinals, Inquisitors-General throughout the Christian Republic against heretical depravity, having before my eyes the Most Holy Gospels, and laying on them my own hands; I swear that I have always believed, I believe now, and with God’s help I will in future believe all which the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church doth hold, preach, and teach.
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But since I, after having been admonished by this Holy Office entirely to abandon the false opinion that the Sun was the centre of the universe and immoveable, and that the Earth was not the centre of the same and that it moved, and that I was neither to hold, defend, nor teach in any manner whatever, either orally or in writing, the said false doctrine; and after having received a notification that the said doctrine is contrary to Holy Writ, I did write and cause to be printed a book in which I treat of the said already condemned doctrine, and bring forward arguments of much efficacy in its favour, without arriving at any solution: I have been judged vehemently suspected of heresy, that is, of having held and believed that the Sun is the centre of the universe and immoveable, and that the Earth is not the centre of the same, and that it does move.
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I, GALILEO GALILEI, have abjured as above, with my own hand.
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Another excerpt from the site

So we understand that quantum physics defines that everything is made up of little bits, but what is the force holding the quanta particles, atoms and molecules together? The answer is LIGHT. Light keeps electrons tied to the nuclei of atoms, and atoms tied together to make molecules and objects. All forms of matter are actually made up of solidified light. Here we find our second Biblical evidence of God’s perfect design in the creation of this world, “Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw the light was good.” (Genesis 1: 3-4, NLT) Throughout the rest of Genesis, God continued creating the splendor of the world–the sky, they earth, the ocean, the sun, the moon, the creatures and finally, man. Light was the first thing He made before all else. Light was essential to create these things, since His design requires the light force to bind our particles together.
 
rossum said:
Certainly. Here is Augustine referencing scripture on the non-existence of Australia:

Augustine on the Antipodes

“As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets on us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours, there is no reason for believing it. Those who affirm it do not claim to possess any actual information; they merely conjecture that, since the earth is suspended within the concavity of the heavens, and there is as much room on the one side of it as on the other, therefore the part which is beneath cannot be void of human inhabitants. They fail to notice that, even should it be believed or demonstrated that the world is round or spherical in form, it does not follow that the part of the earth opposite to us is not completely covered with water, or that any conjectured dry land there should be inhabited by men. For Scripture, which confirms the truth of its historical statements by the accomplishment of its prophecies, teaches not falsehood; and it is too absurd to say that some men might have set sail from this side and, traversing the immense expanse of ocean, have propagated there a race of human beings descended from that one first man.”

Augustine (De Civitate Dei, xvi, 9)

And here is part of the abjuration Galileo made, before being placed under house arrest:

I, Galileo Galilei, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei of Florence, aged 70 years, tried personally by this court, and kneeling before You, the most Eminent and Reverend Lord Cardinals, Inquisitors-General throughout the Christian Republic against heretical depravity, having before my eyes the Most Holy Gospels, and laying on them my own hands; I swear that I have always believed, I believe now, and with God’s help I will in future believe all which the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church doth hold, preach, and teach.

But since I, after having been admonished by this Holy Office entirely to abandon the false opinion that the Sun was the centre of the universe and immoveable, and that the Earth was not the centre of the same and that it moved, and that I was neither to hold, defend, nor teach in any manner whatever, either orally or in writing, the said false doctrine; and after having received a notification that the said doctrine is contrary to Holy Writ, I did write and cause to be printed a book in which I treat of the said already condemned doctrine, and bring forward arguments of much efficacy in its favour, without arriving at any solution: I have been judged vehemently suspected of heresy, that is, of having held and believed that the Sun is the centre of the universe and immoveable, and that the Earth is not the centre of the same, and that it does move.

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I, GALILEO GALILEI, have abjured as above, with my own hand.
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And so what am I supposed to say? Has the Church not changed its verdict on Galileo’s theory which he wasn’t a 100% sure of? Augustine didn’t completely deny what they were saying, he said they didn’t give absolute proof so therefore we were not obligated to believe it at the time.
 
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Joe1 said:
And so what am I supposed to say? Has the Church not changed its verdict on Galileo’s theory which he wasn’t a 100% sure of?
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You asked for examples of scriptural interpretations that were wrong and I provided two. Augustine did not have the data, while Galileo’s accusers ignored the data from the real world.

A scriptural interpretation that is at variance with the real world is wrong.

rossum
 
I tried to elaborate before you quoted me. Just to let you know the people of the Church condemned him falsely. Please read what Pope John Paul II said about Galileo:

www.nytimes.com

Vatican Science Panel Told By Pope: Galileo Was Right (Published 1992)

www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Here’s an excerpt from it:

"John Paul said the theologians who condemned Galileo did not recognize the formal distinction between the Bible and its interpretation.

“This led them unduly to transpose into the realm of the doctrine of the faith, a question which in fact pertained to scientific investigation.”

I understand if you have no mercy for the people of the Church for doing something wrong to someone (which is rare) but please know that men in that time period were fallible as they are today.

God’s church is not in error, and God is truth and will protect his Church.

Matthew 16:18. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
 
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Joe1 said:
Light was essential to create these things, since His design requires the light force to bind our particles together.
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The atheist will just say the light came from some kind of chemical reaction. 😡
 
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Joe1 said:
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Techno2000:
The atheist will just say the light came from some kind of chemical reaction.
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We don’t know what he may say. Let’s not assume anything
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Well I mean in general.
 
Techno2000 said:
Joe1:
Light was essential to create these things, since His design requires the light force to bind our particles together.
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The atheist will just say the light came from some kind of chemical reaction. 😡
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Only a very stupid atheist. Light comes from photons, though photons can be produced in chemical reactions.

And why is it exactly that you’re so angry?
 
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Rau:
Huh?? Could you elaborate?
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I found this on a site regarding quantum physics and it’s relation to some Bible passages.

Here is the first relation:

In essence, quantum physics is the study of matter and energy at very small, nanoscopic levels, beginning within nuclei, atoms and molecules. Modern science declares that “quanta particles” (light particle wave packets) form atoms. These atoms form molecules and molecules form objects—everything that we can see is made up of these quanta particles. What makes these quanta particles so special is that they do not behave in ways according to known laws of physics, thus making them more of a series of probabilities, rather than something we can scientifically define and observe. Everything that we can see is made up of things that we cannot see—unseen particles. It is in this unexplained, fundamental discovery in science that we find our first Biblical evidence of this phenomenon in Hebrews 11:3 “By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.” (NLT)
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I’m not really drawing the line between QM and the scripture. This seems an example of a rather tortured attempt at interpreting verse to somehow make it seem like it’s making a scientific statement. The scripture is clearly talking about the unseen in a supernatural sense; the hand of God. I can’t see how it can be interpreted as referring to subatomic particles.
 
niceatheist said:
The scripture is clearly talking about the unseen in a supernatural sense; the hand of God. I can’t see how it can be interpreted as referring to subatomic particles.
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You are aware that in those days subatomic particles were not discovered yet. Therefore how would God be able to describe something scientifically that wouldn’t be discovered thousands of years later if it weren’t simple to understand. Let’s not treat the Bible as a science textbook
 
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Not angry… that was supposed to represent angry atheist, but I guess it didn’t work.But you did prove my point that atheist can explain away anything that has to with God.
 
niceatheist said:
I don’t even understand the fundamental problem. Nothing in biology, or any science for that matter, speaks at all to whether God was involved or not. It’s not even a question for science, any science. You’re not going to find God showing up in biology, climatology, hydrology, cosmology, geology, physics, chemistry, epidemiology or any of the other hundreds of areas of research. The fundamental problem appears to be that some people just cannot fathom that they are wrong in their Biblical interpretation.
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Fortunately, this is not a problem for Catholics, because the Church sees no contradiction between evolution and the Catholic faith. But we seem to have forgotten that was supposed to be the point of this thread.
 
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niceatheist:
I don’t even understand the fundamental problem. Nothing in biology, or any science for that matter, speaks at all to whether God was involved or not. It’s not even a question for science, any science. You’re not going to find God showing up in biology, climatology, hydrology, cosmology, geology, physics, chemistry, epidemiology or any of the other hundreds of areas of research. The fundamental problem appears to be that some people just cannot fathom that they are wrong in their Biblical interpretation.
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Fortunately, this is not a problem for Catholics, because the Church sees no contradiction between evolution and the Catholic faith. But we seem to have forgotten that was supposed to be the point of this thread.
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You summed it up,now we’re talking about the problems with Darwin’s theory, there’s like a 10,000 post limit and we’re not even close. 🤣
 
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