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Oh dear ! :crazy_face:
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fisherman_carl
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Your responses just show how you twist what I say. As I said before I am not interested in conversing with you. I was not talking with atheists here (although the atheist’s here have been nicer to me than you have), but with you. I thought I was talking with a fellow Christian who lives by some kind of ethical code as well as intellectual honesty. But apparently I was mistaken.
Oh and sites where atheists insult you I am all too familiar with. This is one reason I did like th CA site because the people here tend to reasonably discuss things in a charitable manner including the atheists. Because insults don’t actually settle anything. Its the arguments that need to be discussed. But we forget there is a person on the other end which I tried to point out to you and you ignore at your own peril. If you want to go making insults to others to try and ‘win’ your arguments then feel free to go to those sites where people insult each other. But I think you will find it will not be very fruitful if both sides can not respect each other enough to engage in friendly dialogue.
Oh and sites where atheists insult you I am all too familiar with. This is one reason I did like th CA site because the people here tend to reasonably discuss things in a charitable manner including the atheists. Because insults don’t actually settle anything. Its the arguments that need to be discussed. But we forget there is a person on the other end which I tried to point out to you and you ignore at your own peril. If you want to go making insults to others to try and ‘win’ your arguments then feel free to go to those sites where people insult each other. But I think you will find it will not be very fruitful if both sides can not respect each other enough to engage in friendly dialogue.
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Birds are literally dinosaurs.
It makes a lot of sense, actually; the bone structure of birds looks a lot more like the bone structure of some dinosaurs than some other dinosaurs’ bone structures do. You look at the skeletons of a Tyrannosaurus, a sparrow, and a Stegosaurus and you tell me which two look the most similar.
My position is that natural selection works way too well to be false. Incomplete, yes – there is no Grand Unified Theory of the Entire Universe just yet. (GUTEU? Is that a kind of cheese? An obscure Windows update?) But it answers most if not all of the questions it sets out to and – if you ignore all of the spurious philosophy that people attach to it for some reason – is a good scientific theory.
And that’s what it sets out to be.
It makes a lot of sense, actually; the bone structure of birds looks a lot more like the bone structure of some dinosaurs than some other dinosaurs’ bone structures do. You look at the skeletons of a Tyrannosaurus, a sparrow, and a Stegosaurus and you tell me which two look the most similar.
My position is that natural selection works way too well to be false. Incomplete, yes – there is no Grand Unified Theory of the Entire Universe just yet. (GUTEU? Is that a kind of cheese? An obscure Windows update?) But it answers most if not all of the questions it sets out to and – if you ignore all of the spurious philosophy that people attach to it for some reason – is a good scientific theory.
And that’s what it sets out to be.
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XndrK
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I think that evolution by natural selection happened because (in part) the film Zootopia wasn’t creepy to watch.
If you look at the structures of most if not all mammals, they share a lot – 4 limbs (even whales!), similar hip structure, ribs, roughly similarly shaped skulls (there may be some stretching and squishing, not to mention swapping out teeth, but nothing radically different), mammaries (hence the name), etc. That’s why the animators of the film could make a fox, rabbit, antelope, etc all look like the animals they’re supposed to be but still have them walking around and talking on cell phones with their hands – paws?
But the farther away you go on the animal “family tree”, the more disturbing it gets. Again, it’s really easy to do an anthropomorphic fox or bear or whatever, but once you start leaving that safe zone, things get weird. The penguins in Madagascar look kinda “off” when they talk because birds don’t have teeth (or anything even faintly resembling lips, for that matter), the Lizard (from Spider-Man) is a bad guy for a reason, neither Kermit nor Pepe looks all that much like an actual frog, and we do not talk about Barry Bee Benson.
There’s a reason for that. It’s because we are more closely related to other mammals than to birds or reptiles, and we’re more closely related to them than to amphibians, and we’re way more closely related to them than to bees.
That’s how evolution by natural selection works. Things become more and more and more and more different over vast periods of time.
This is not to say that God didn’t have a guiding hand in the universe – of course He did; He made the universe and its physical laws to begin with. But I don’t recall any doctrinal statements that say that this can’t be how He did it, and the science lines up pretty well.
Though admittedly, by my logic, our presidential contenders the last time around came from completely different planets.
If you look at the structures of most if not all mammals, they share a lot – 4 limbs (even whales!), similar hip structure, ribs, roughly similarly shaped skulls (there may be some stretching and squishing, not to mention swapping out teeth, but nothing radically different), mammaries (hence the name), etc. That’s why the animators of the film could make a fox, rabbit, antelope, etc all look like the animals they’re supposed to be but still have them walking around and talking on cell phones with their hands – paws?
But the farther away you go on the animal “family tree”, the more disturbing it gets. Again, it’s really easy to do an anthropomorphic fox or bear or whatever, but once you start leaving that safe zone, things get weird. The penguins in Madagascar look kinda “off” when they talk because birds don’t have teeth (or anything even faintly resembling lips, for that matter), the Lizard (from Spider-Man) is a bad guy for a reason, neither Kermit nor Pepe looks all that much like an actual frog, and we do not talk about Barry Bee Benson.
There’s a reason for that. It’s because we are more closely related to other mammals than to birds or reptiles, and we’re more closely related to them than to amphibians, and we’re way more closely related to them than to bees.
That’s how evolution by natural selection works. Things become more and more and more and more different over vast periods of time.
This is not to say that God didn’t have a guiding hand in the universe – of course He did; He made the universe and its physical laws to begin with. But I don’t recall any doctrinal statements that say that this can’t be how He did it, and the science lines up pretty well.
Though admittedly, by my logic, our presidential contenders the last time around came from completely different planets.
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You are still talking monogenism and introducing incest. It is an arguable point whether “bestiality” is the correct description, since compatible DNA means that such relations were ‘open to life’ in the theological sense. Most cross-species relations are not open to life, what I am proposing is. In the scientific sense it would not be cross-species but within the same species: Homo sapiens.
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Aloysium
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Thank you for your response which clearly demonstrates the issue between the truth (not meaning it to be, but annoying isn’t it) as revealed through the Holy Spirit in the teachings of the Catholic Church, and the Theory of Evolution. We can’t say that the Theory works if we just add that God created it all. There exist fundamental differences in how the world is understood. Among these are that the DNA does not make one human. It is merely one aspect of a complex mechanism whereby what began with an embryo, incorporates matter into itself to form an eventually adult human body, capable of maintaining itself more or less as it ages. The reality of the person is the unity of this body with the spirit, which is unique, each created by God. Whether a creature has similar DNA has nothing to do with its being human. There are a number of genetic disorders that can befall us; having one more or one less chromosome for example does not make one any less human. Homo sapiens is a scientific designation which is not synonymous with mankind. Homo neaderthalensis likely was human although having a different appearance than we ourselves.
I have much more to say, but a very busy day is about to start.
I have much more to say, but a very busy day is about to start.
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IWantGod
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I love evolution. Have i been brainwashed?
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edwest211
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If science is limited, and that’s fine, it can and in this case, does make wrong conclusions based on the data. Evolution now extends to our mental functions, since we are told that our somehow self-upgrading brains changed on their own.
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Techno2000
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And all this came to be by that amazing thing we call …random mutation !
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Techno2000
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Do you really believe mindless chemicals gave you the mind to ask such a question ?
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rossum
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Water is a mindless chemical. How well will your mind work if you do not drink any water for a month? Those mindless chemicals are necessary, though they may not be sufficient. A worm contains a lot of the same mindless chemicals and does not have a human mind. The water in a worm is the same; its DNA is not.
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daverod
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The CCC of Modern Captialism.
Carl Marx or Karl Marx (Author of Das Kapital)
Charles Darwin (Author of The Origin of Species)
Carl Benz or Karl Benz (Author of Mercedes Benz Automobile)
Carl Marx or Karl Marx (Author of Das Kapital)
Charles Darwin (Author of The Origin of Species)
Carl Benz or Karl Benz (Author of Mercedes Benz Automobile)
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Techno2000
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So, mindless chemicals produced a mind that can question things.And even question things like mindless chemicals having the ability to produce a mind.Techno2000:
Water is a mindless chemical. How well will your mind work if you do not drink any water for a month? Those mindless chemicals are necessary, though they may not be sufficient. A worm contains a lot of the same mindless chemicals and does not have a human mind. The water in a worm is the same; its DNA is not.
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IWantGod
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Evolution is great. The Pope should tell all the priests to teach their flock that there is nothing wrong with evolution.
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Techno2000
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The flock is already brainwashed like you.Techno2000:
Evolution is great. The Pope should tell all the priests to teach their flock that there is nothing wrong with evolution.
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Glark
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… except that it is a demonically-inspired hoax.
It appears Pope Francis has swallowed it hook, line and sinker. … he seems to think that God is not omnipotent and had no choice but to rely on a secondary cause (evolution) to “create” Adam. God help us.
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Glark
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Why is evolution “great”?
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Glark
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Thanks for this … I will add it to my “Laughter is the Best Medicine: Evolution” collection.
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Glark
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You must be confusing me with somone else.
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IWantGod
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Evolution is God’s prerogative. Thank God for evolution and thank God for a Pope who isn’t lost in the dark ages.
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