Does Darwin's theory of evolution contradict Catholicsm?

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buffalo said:
Evolution has no foresight.
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Correct. It adapts populations to the environment in which they live. Animals living in the Arctic are adapted to the Arctic: thick fur, layers of fat, anti-freeze in their blood etc. Evolution does not anticipate, though it can re-engineer a system to perform a different function. For example, one of the antifreeze proteins in Antarctic fish is derived from a digestive enzyme. Origin of antifreeze protein genes: A cool tale in molecular evolution.

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aka Adaptation … Which was designed in. We know understand it to be conservative process, that is preserving what it began as.
 
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No, that is not what social Darwinism says. Social Darwinism has to do with survival of the fittest here on earth.

Christians believe that some will go to heaven and some won’t, but that is between them and God. Christians also believe in helping the weak, people who follow social Darwinism do not.
 
Physics explains protein unpredictability
Using computer simulations, researchers find that knowing all possible mutations isn’t enough to predict where a protein will go

“The quality of your information actually decays over time,” Sailer said. “As mutations accumulate, the effects of the mutations that you measured start to change so that you can’t predict where you are going.”

www.sciencedaily.com

Physics explains protein unpredictability

Scientists theorized that they could manipulate a protein one mutation at a time and predict its evolution. They sought to prove it. And failed. They do think, however, that they've found a fundamental truth underlying unpredictability in a biological system.
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Darwinism is wrong in its assumptions that changes in the genotype of successive generations are solely the result of random material factors and that natural selection is what shapes the diversity we see in nature. There’s no point trying to fit God into a Theory that rests solely on the simplest forms of interactions seen in nature (the four fundamental forces). While it may to some extent describe how the components of living organisms behave, it fails to recognize life itself, the wholeness that is the individual creature. I would point out that, at a human level, there is not one scientist who approaches life as if it were merely about atoms, molecules and such. In living beings we see a different level of existence, one which utilizes matter but involves something greater in that each is a whole, acting, perceiving and feeling. Animals do this on an instinctive basis; we are rational. Unfortunately, these sorts of observations have been relegated to the realm of the metaphysical, when they are just as real as atoms, photons, and the various laws of physics, more real actually when we reflect on our own existence.

God didn’t know what would happen; He Knows what happens everywhere and in every time. We are on a journey through time. Here and now, we can know Him because that is where He always is - in every here and now.

Again, there is more going on as the universe plays itself out, than what pure physics can tell us. It can no more describe the complexity of life than neurophysiology can tell us what it feels like to stub one’s toe.
 
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IDvolution - God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.

This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).
IDvolution considers the latest science and is consistent with the continuous teaching of the Church. IDvolution.org: What is IDvolution?
 
buffalo said:
IDvolution - God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.

This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.
Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).
IDvolution considers the latest science and is consistent with the continuous teaching of the Church. IDvolution.org: What is IDvolution?
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So…what you means is, God used evolution to create .
 
Techno2000 said:
Ask rossum
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Ask Glark! I did - his answer: “God snapped fingers & created every plant and animal that has EVER existed, 5778 years ago. Scientists are dumbos and all their age estimates for anything that appears to be older than 5778 years must be (massively) wrong.” :roll_eyes:
 
Aloysium said:
Again, there is more going on as the universe plays itself out, than what pure physics can tell us.
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Very true, but not something scientific enquiries can be expected to shine a light upon. Science will continue to open up what is accessible, and no more. At no point will science fit God into a theory. Some will condemn science for that.
 
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Science is a social phenomenon, a system of inquiry and knowledge involving individual persons. It has, does and will always, at least potentially, not only fit God into its theories, but make God it’s central focus. Through science we witness God’s glory. Struck by awe as the mystery and beauty of creation unfolds, we come ever closer to the joy that is the living Truth. Science is not something external to humanity and each person’s journey along the Way that is Jesus Christ.

God does not fit in a theory; it fits into one’s relationship with Him. The issue has to do with how we fit Him into our lives, which may or may not involve doing science. We also have to remember that there being one truth, God’s part in creation should be the linchpin of any theory about our origins. To the extent that science does not include His essential role, it will stray from the truth.

If there is any condemnation, it is out of fear and worry about where a society that abandons God is heading.
 
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Aloysium said:
Science is a social phenomenon, a system of inquiry and knowledge involving individual persons. It has, does and will always, at least potentially, not only fit God into its theories, but make God it’s central focus.
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Philosophical, but misses the point. Anything is potentially possibly.
 
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No it’s not. There is reality, which as Catholics, we understand as the Word of God, the Logos through whom all things were made. Anything may appear to be possible given our human condition with its profound state of ignorance.
 
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Science is the study of what is seen, which has been greatly enhanced with the development of modern technology. In medicine, it goes further to include all the senses, where listening and touch helps identify what ails the patient. When science strays into what is unseen, as is the case where through its denial of creation, it is offering an opinion, it would cease to have any explanatory value. If the modern approach, as has perhaps always been the case in its revealing to us the truth, is to include that realm under the umbrella of science, then philosophy and religion must follow.
 
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buffalo said:
Science by its own definition can say nothing about the supernatural.
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Not directly, but it can say something about supernatural claims that impact on the material world. Science can test, “If a Princess kisses a frog then the frog will turn into a prince”. Set up a lab with frogs and other Amphibia, some princesses and other females who are not of royal descent and see what happens.

Provided the supernatural claims remain supernatural, then science cannot test them. If the supernatural claim includes a material effect, then science can test the effect (or its absence).

For example, Mark 16:18 about poisonous snakes has been shown to be false. Some people in snake-handling churches have been bitten and died: Kentucky Snake Handler Bit During Church Service Refuses Medical Treatment and Dies.

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